Re: [IAEP] SoaS feedback (Physics)
Bill I have been putting together a guide on reprogramming the Physics Activity http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Modifying_Activities#Modifying_Physics because: I like Physics, its good learning The Python/Sugar 'wrapper' code is not too difficult to program So another option is to modify the code to get the behaviour you want Tony ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] SoaS feedback
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:45 AM, Bill Kerrbillk...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:03 PM, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Bill Kerrbillk...@gmail.com wrote: My second semester year 10 control tech class is trialling SoaS. My blog is http://xo-whs2009.blogspot.com/ describes some of the lesson plans and issues arising. Student blogs (first impressions) are linked on the sidebar Bill, Would you please ping bernie about adding your blog to planet.sugarlabs.org? Those are some great observations. done Secondly, would you be interested in working with Anurag, Greg, and Caroline to develop processes to insure that the feedback from deployments such as yours gets 'converted' into something the developers can used to improve Sugar. yes, I can do that, point me to the best place to do this I don't know if Sugar Labs has a best place yet. Greg Smith has offered to see how he can develop processes to scale up his work as 'bug herder' at GPA to work with other deployments. Please prepare yourself for some delay related frustrations. As the first SoaS-Strawberry deployments, my guess is that you, Caroline, Walter, and Greg are going to find a _huge_ number issues which will need to be converted into bug report, fixed, and pushed back down stream. It is going to take a lot of work by community participants to make that happen. david To stretch an analogy past its breaking point Sugar is only useful in the hands of students. Deployment feedback is only useful in the hands of developers. david One big issue at this stage is that a Physics screen does not appear to save, this will severely limit what we can do with it. Physics is by far the most popular activity in free exploration provided for the first few lessons -- Bill Kerr ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] SoaS feedback
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 7:33 PM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: On 28 Jul 2009, at 03:18, Edward Cherlin wrote: On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 7:12 PM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: Hi Edward, On 28 Jul 2009, at 02:52, Edward Cherlin wrote: On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 6:43 PM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: Hi Edward, On 28 Jul 2009, at 02:02, Edward Cherlin wrote: It saves on mine, in Strawberry. Which version of SoaS are you using? Just to confirm: Physics-2 has no save support, v2 is the currently released/distributed version. I'm running v2, and I'm looking at a saved session in Journal. Screen shots attached. Have you tried resuming one? Yes. Several times. Well apologies, but please expect any existing Physics Journal entries you've created to stop working when we release the official version Physics-3. No problem. I was just trying out Physics, not doing work I will need later. You've managed to get a work in progress development version installed sometime over the last few of weeks. Somebody in Sugar on a Stick got it, apparently. Sincerely, --Gary -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://earthtreasury.org/worknet (Edward Mokurai Cherlin) ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] SoaS feedback
My second semester year 10 control tech class is trialling SoaS. My blog is http://xo-whs2009.blogspot.com/ describes some of the lesson plans and issues arising. *Student blogs (first impressions) are linked on the sidebar* One big issue at this stage is that a Physics screen does not appear to save, this will severely limit what we can do with it. Physics is by far the most popular activity in free exploration provided for the first few lessons -- Bill Kerr ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] SoaS feedback
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 5:18 PM, Bill Kerrbillk...@gmail.com wrote: My second semester year 10 control tech class is trialling SoaS. My blog is http://xo-whs2009.blogspot.com/ describes some of the lesson plans and issues arising. Student blogs (first impressions) are linked on the sidebar One big issue at this stage is that a Physics screen does not appear to save, It saves on mine, in Strawberry. Which version of SoaS are you using? It appears from your blog that you use the hover technique to get at menus, rather than right-clicking. Were you aware that you can get the menu without having to wait? I am documenting such things at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/The_undiscoverable. this will severely limit what we can do with it. Physics is by far the most popular activity in free exploration provided for the first few lessons. Measure is my favorite, starting with acoustics. But you can hook up any instrument that puts out an electrical signal in the 0-1V range. I have written up and extended Alan Kay's lessons on Galilean gravity. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/images/0/0e/Gravity.odt -- Bill Kerr ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://earthtreasury.org/worknet (Edward Mokurai Cherlin) ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] SoaS feedback
On 28 Jul 2009, at 01:18, Bill Kerr wrote: My second semester year 10 control tech class is trialling SoaS. My blog is http://xo-whs2009.blogspot.com/ describes some of the lesson plans and issues arising. Student blogs (first impressions) are linked on the sidebar One big issue at this stage is that a Physics screen does not appear to save, this will severely limit what we can do with it. Physics is by far the most popular activity in free exploration provided for the first few lessons Give us a chance, it's coming (thanks to Asaf)... :-) Regards, --Gary P.S. Actually Physics state saving has been working for a couple of weeks or so now in git, but has not been release as we need to have confidence the format will not break in future releases of Box2D (I'd hate to have all your lovely Physics Journal entries stop working in 6 months because of a change upstream we had no control of). ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] SoaS feedback
Hi Edward, On 28 Jul 2009, at 02:02, Edward Cherlin wrote: It saves on mine, in Strawberry. Which version of SoaS are you using? Just to confirm: Physics-2 has no save support, v2 is the currently released/distributed version. We have been working on the next Physics release cycle in its git repository. State saving has been working there for a couple of weeks now. The saved states that the development version currently generates are a temporary format that are in the process of being replaced so we have some control over the storage format for future proofing against Box2D changes. Are you using a development version of Physics from git? An official Physics-3 will likely be released (within a few weeks I hope) including this new work. Regards, --Gary ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] SoaS feedback
Hi Edward, On 28 Jul 2009, at 02:52, Edward Cherlin wrote: On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 6:43 PM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: Hi Edward, On 28 Jul 2009, at 02:02, Edward Cherlin wrote: It saves on mine, in Strawberry. Which version of SoaS are you using? Just to confirm: Physics-2 has no save support, v2 is the currently released/distributed version. I'm running v2, and I'm looking at a saved session in Journal. Screen shots attached. Have you tried resuming one? If you're using the current release they will be the usual blank Journal entries with no world state (I did specifically note that in the activities.sl.org release notes). Asaf, Brian, and myself made the call to dig in, rescue, debug, and fix-up the old semi-released Physics from bit-rotting over at wiki.lt.org. Physics-2 was our first cycle on that effort (may thanks to both of them for taking this task on). For more information please see: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/Physics ... and a recent Activity IRC meeting we had a couple of weeks back will give you a good idea of where we're going with future Physics releases: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Talk:Activities/Physics Regards, --Gary We have been working on the next Physics release cycle in its git repository. State saving has been working there for a couple of weeks now. The saved states that the development version currently generates are a temporary format that are in the process of being replaced so we have some control over the storage format for future proofing against Box2D changes. Are you using a development version of Physics from git? An official Physics-3 will likely be released (within a few weeks I hope) including this new work. Regards, --Gary ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] SoaS feedback
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 7:12 PM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: Hi Edward, On 28 Jul 2009, at 02:52, Edward Cherlin wrote: On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 6:43 PM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: Hi Edward, On 28 Jul 2009, at 02:02, Edward Cherlin wrote: It saves on mine, in Strawberry. Which version of SoaS are you using? Just to confirm: Physics-2 has no save support, v2 is the currently released/distributed version. I'm running v2, and I'm looking at a saved session in Journal. Screen shots attached. Have you tried resuming one? Yes. Several times. If you're using the current release they will be the usual blank Journal entries with no world state (I did specifically note that in the activities.sl.org release notes). Asaf, Brian, and myself made the call to dig in, rescue, debug, and fix-up the old semi-released Physics from bit-rotting over at wiki.lt.org. Physics-2 was our first cycle on that effort (may thanks to both of them for taking this task on). For more information please see: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/Physics ... and a recent Activity IRC meeting we had a couple of weeks back will give you a good idea of where we're going with future Physics releases: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Talk:Activities/Physics Regards, --Gary We have been working on the next Physics release cycle in its git repository. State saving has been working there for a couple of weeks now. The saved states that the development version currently generates are a temporary format that are in the process of being replaced so we have some control over the storage format for future proofing against Box2D changes. Are you using a development version of Physics from git? An official Physics-3 will likely be released (within a few weeks I hope) including this new work. Regards, --Gary -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://earthtreasury.org/worknet (Edward Mokurai Cherlin) ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] SoaS feedback
On 28 Jul 2009, at 03:18, Edward Cherlin wrote: On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 7:12 PM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: Hi Edward, On 28 Jul 2009, at 02:52, Edward Cherlin wrote: On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 6:43 PM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: Hi Edward, On 28 Jul 2009, at 02:02, Edward Cherlin wrote: It saves on mine, in Strawberry. Which version of SoaS are you using? Just to confirm: Physics-2 has no save support, v2 is the currently released/distributed version. I'm running v2, and I'm looking at a saved session in Journal. Screen shots attached. Have you tried resuming one? Yes. Several times. Well apologies, but please expect any existing Physics Journal entries you've created to stop working when we release the official version Physics-3. You've managed to get a work in progress development version installed sometime over the last few of weeks. Sincerely, --Gary ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] SoaS feedback
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Bill Kerrbillk...@gmail.com wrote: My second semester year 10 control tech class is trialling SoaS. My blog is http://xo-whs2009.blogspot.com/ describes some of the lesson plans and issues arising. Student blogs (first impressions) are linked on the sidebar Bill, Would you please ping bernie about adding your blog to planet.sugarlabs.org? Those are some great observations. Secondly, would you be interested in working with Anurag, Greg, and Caroline to develop processes to insure that the feedback from deployments such as yours gets 'converted' into something the developers can used to improve Sugar. To stretch an analogy past its breaking point Sugar is only useful in the hands of students. Deployment feedback is only useful in the hands of developers. david One big issue at this stage is that a Physics screen does not appear to save, this will severely limit what we can do with it. Physics is by far the most popular activity in free exploration provided for the first few lessons -- Bill Kerr ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
