Re: [IAEP] Video player for wiki.sugarlabs.org
Habe you tried to activate this on the XO? http://www.dailymotion.com/en/html5 Le 10/11/2011 19:20, Bernie Innocenti a écrit : On Thu, 2011-11-10 at 00:18 -0500, Chris Leonard wrote: On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 10:45 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Thu, 2011-11-10 at 03:12 +, Alan Jhonn Aguiar Schwyn wrote: And... Why not use Adobe Flash? Problems with the license? Yes, it's not even redistributable. Besides, there's no ARM version for the XO-1.75. And even if both problems were solved, flash is typically too slow to play videos on hardware as the XO-1. On the XO-1.5 it's barely acceptable for low resolution videos. Gnash overcomes the redistribution issue, but not necessarily the performance ones. Yes. Quite frankly, Gnash is still so bad that it'd be inclined to remove it altogether from XO distributions. One could make a case that half-broken flash support is still better than nothing, but I think it makes us look worse than systems like iOS and Android which don't provide flash at all. Moreover, some video sites detect the presence of flash and use it instead of HTML5 video. Daily Motion is one of these. Sugar Labs has friends in the Gnash community we could ask about this, they've been working (with some sucecss, I think) on XO 1.75 implemetnation and of course, we do host their PO files for L10n, and have recently upstreamed a number of completed L10ns. I use Gnash on my computer and I report bugs to the developers from time to time. Though, after so many years of development, I'm starting to suspect that HTML5 will make Flash irrelevant before Gnash replaces it. -- Education 0.2 -- http://blog.ofset.org/hilaire ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Video player for wiki.sugarlabs.org
Our contact at Dailymotion helped us upload Ogg, our brief was that it be specifically compatible with XOs. Our friends at the OLPC France association had assisted: http://www.dailymotion.com/en/factory/olpc Sean On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 6:06 AM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Wed, 2011-11-09 at 23:17 -0500, Samuel Greenfeld wrote: Try tweaking the URL for XOs to use the olpc.dailymotion.com domain. The interface will scale itself down to make it XO-1 compatible. For example, in this case: http://olpc.dailymotion.com/sugarlabs It works! It uses neither flash, nor html5: the video plays in the Totem plugin. But... only very few videos are available. Probably, only those that have been uploaded in the ogg-theora format. I'm sure Totem could play also the other videos because I added all the patent-encumbered codecs. -- Bernie Innocenti Sugar Labs Infrastructure Team http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Infrastructure_Team ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Video player for wiki.sugarlabs.org
On Thu, 2011-11-10 at 00:18 -0500, Chris Leonard wrote: On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 10:45 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Thu, 2011-11-10 at 03:12 +, Alan Jhonn Aguiar Schwyn wrote: And... Why not use Adobe Flash? Problems with the license? Yes, it's not even redistributable. Besides, there's no ARM version for the XO-1.75. And even if both problems were solved, flash is typically too slow to play videos on hardware as the XO-1. On the XO-1.5 it's barely acceptable for low resolution videos. Gnash overcomes the redistribution issue, but not necessarily the performance ones. Yes. Quite frankly, Gnash is still so bad that it'd be inclined to remove it altogether from XO distributions. One could make a case that half-broken flash support is still better than nothing, but I think it makes us look worse than systems like iOS and Android which don't provide flash at all. Moreover, some video sites detect the presence of flash and use it instead of HTML5 video. Daily Motion is one of these. Sugar Labs has friends in the Gnash community we could ask about this, they've been working (with some sucecss, I think) on XO 1.75 implemetnation and of course, we do host their PO files for L10n, and have recently upstreamed a number of completed L10ns. I use Gnash on my computer and I report bugs to the developers from time to time. Though, after so many years of development, I'm starting to suspect that HTML5 will make Flash irrelevant before Gnash replaces it. -- Bernie Innocenti Sugar Labs Infrastructure Team http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Infrastructure_Team ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Video player for wiki.sugarlabs.org
Excerpts from Bernie Innocenti's message of 2011-11-10 19:20:20 +0100: I use Gnash on my computer and I report bugs to the developers from time to time. Though, after so many years of development, I'm starting to suspect that HTML5 will make Flash irrelevant before Gnash replaces it. It already did: http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/09/adobe-confirms-flash-player-is-dead-for-mobile-devices/ Cheers, Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Video player for wiki.sugarlabs.org
On Thu, 2011-11-10 at 23:24 +0100, Sascha Silbe wrote: Excerpts from Bernie Innocenti's message of 2011-11-10 19:20:20 +0100: I use Gnash on my computer and I report bugs to the developers from time to time. Though, after so many years of development, I'm starting to suspect that HTML5 will make Flash irrelevant before Gnash replaces it. It already did: http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/09/adobe-confirms-flash-player-is-dead-for-mobile-devices/ Finally. Flash was the only piece of proprietary crap that I was still forced to use from time to time. -- Bernie Innocenti Sugar Labs Infrastructure Team http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Infrastructure_Team ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Video player for wiki.sugarlabs.org
On Thu, 2011-11-10 at 11:34 +0100, Sean DALY wrote: Our contact at Dailymotion helped us upload Ogg, our brief was that it be specifically compatible with XOs. Our friends at the OLPC France association had assisted: http://www.dailymotion.com/en/factory/olpc Nice! Do you have a technical contact? I'd like to ask them if they can export WebM and h234 videos alongside with ogg-theora for the deployments that are using a Dextrose derivative (and those who added the patented codecs independently). -- Bernie Innocenti Sugar Labs Infrastructure Team http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Infrastructure_Team ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Video player for wiki.sugarlabs.org
And... Why not use Adobe Flash? Problems with the license? From: ber...@sugarlabs.org To: sdaly...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 22:08:33 -0500 CC: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; market...@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: Re: [IAEP] Video player for wiki.sugarlabs.org On Mon, 2011-11-07 at 16:07 +0100, Sean DALY wrote: Thanks Bernie The Sugar Labs video channel is here: http://www.dailymotion.com/sugarlabs Ogg-compatible! I tried playing DailyMotion videos on the XO, but the flash player makes Gnash choke. So I tried it on my computer, without the adobe flash plugin installed: it attempts to start an HTML5 player, but it fails immediately with Media Not Supported on Firefox 7 and no explanation on Chromium 15. Moreover, there's no discoverable way to download the video file (probably it's so by design). Even if these issues were fixed, I still see some value in playing videos directly from our wiki, alongside with images and text, to create lesson plans for example. -- Bernie Innocenti Sugar Labs Infrastructure Team http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Infrastructure_Team ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Video player for wiki.sugarlabs.org
On Thu, 2011-11-10 at 03:12 +, Alan Jhonn Aguiar Schwyn wrote: And... Why not use Adobe Flash? Problems with the license? Yes, it's not even redistributable. Besides, there's no ARM version for the XO-1.75. And even if both problems were solved, flash is typically too slow to play videos on hardware as the XO-1. On the XO-1.5 it's barely acceptable for low resolution videos. -- Bernie Innocenti Sugar Labs Infrastructure Team http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Infrastructure_Team ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Video player for wiki.sugarlabs.org
Another way.. Download it... http://ceibaljam.org/drupal/sites/default/files/tmpYlc-pn.xo From: ber...@sugarlabs.org To: alan...@hotmail.com Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 22:45:58 -0500 CC: market...@lists.sugarlabs.org; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: Re: [IAEP] Video player for wiki.sugarlabs.org On Thu, 2011-11-10 at 03:12 +, Alan Jhonn Aguiar Schwyn wrote: And... Why not use Adobe Flash? Problems with the license? Yes, it's not even redistributable. Besides, there's no ARM version for the XO-1.75. And even if both problems were solved, flash is typically too slow to play videos on hardware as the XO-1. On the XO-1.5 it's barely acceptable for low resolution videos. -- Bernie Innocenti Sugar Labs Infrastructure Team http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Infrastructure_Team ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Video player for wiki.sugarlabs.org
Try tweaking the URL for XOs to use the olpc.dailymotion.com domain. The interface will scale itself down to make it XO-1 compatible. For example, in this case: http://olpc.dailymotion.com/sugarlabs On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 10:08 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@sugarlabs.orgwrote: On Mon, 2011-11-07 at 16:07 +0100, Sean DALY wrote: Thanks Bernie The Sugar Labs video channel is here: http://www.dailymotion.com/sugarlabs Ogg-compatible! I tried playing DailyMotion videos on the XO, but the flash player makes Gnash choke. So I tried it on my computer, without the adobe flash plugin installed: it attempts to start an HTML5 player, but it fails immediately with Media Not Supported on Firefox 7 and no explanation on Chromium 15. Moreover, there's no discoverable way to download the video file (probably it's so by design). Even if these issues were fixed, I still see some value in playing videos directly from our wiki, alongside with images and text, to create lesson plans for example. -- Bernie Innocenti Sugar Labs Infrastructure Team http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Infrastructure_Team ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Video player for wiki.sugarlabs.org
On Wed, 2011-11-09 at 23:17 -0500, Samuel Greenfeld wrote: Try tweaking the URL for XOs to use the olpc.dailymotion.com domain. The interface will scale itself down to make it XO-1 compatible. For example, in this case: http://olpc.dailymotion.com/sugarlabs It works! It uses neither flash, nor html5: the video plays in the Totem plugin. But... only very few videos are available. Probably, only those that have been uploaded in the ogg-theora format. I'm sure Totem could play also the other videos because I added all the patent-encumbered codecs. -- Bernie Innocenti Sugar Labs Infrastructure Team http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Infrastructure_Team ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Video player for wiki.sugarlabs.org
On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 10:45 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@sugarlabs.orgwrote: On Thu, 2011-11-10 at 03:12 +, Alan Jhonn Aguiar Schwyn wrote: And... Why not use Adobe Flash? Problems with the license? Yes, it's not even redistributable. Besides, there's no ARM version for the XO-1.75. And even if both problems were solved, flash is typically too slow to play videos on hardware as the XO-1. On the XO-1.5 it's barely acceptable for low resolution videos. Gnash overcomes the redistribution issue, but not necessarily the performance ones. Sugar Labs has friends in the Gnash community we could ask about this, they've been working (with some sucecss, I think) on XO 1.75 implemetnation and of course, we do host their PO files for L10n, and have recently upstreamed a number of completed L10ns. Just a thought. cjl ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Video player for wiki.sugarlabs.org
Hello, a few days ago someone come to Sugar complaining that Vimeo had taken down a Sugar educational video due to alleged copyright violations. So I added support for playing videos directly inside Mediawiki: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Bernie/Html5VideoTest See the page source for a usage hint. As you can see from the demos, for best compatibility, videos need to be encoded in either WebM or Ogg Theora. MPEG-4 (x264) requires a flash player, and I couldn't get it work neither with Gnash, nor with Adobe's Flash 11. So try to stay away from it if you can. I also haven't tested compatibility with IE9 and Safari, please update the page if you try them. Currently, there's no way to upload video files directly within Mediawiki. You'll have to host the files somewhere else, such as in your public_html directory. Enjoy, -- Bernie Innocenti Sugar Labs Infrastructure Team http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Infrastructure_Team ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
