Re: [IAEP] Library Activity

2009-05-06 Thread James Simmons
Aleksey, I've read over your latest Activities/Library document and it looks good. There is one useful feature that Calibre has that your spec lacks, which is the ability to launch a viewing application once you find the book you're looking for. I would expect this feature to work on texts

Re: [IAEP] Library Activity

2009-05-05 Thread James Simmons
Aleksey, I read your Library document and the one linked to it on Unified Objects. This sounds like quite an ambitious project. I would agree with Tomeu that some kind of UI mockup would be a good idea. I've been programming for a living for over 30 years and reading your description I

Re: [IAEP] Library Activity

2009-05-05 Thread Aleksey Lim
On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 10:14:06AM -0500, James Simmons wrote: Aleksey, I read your Library document and the one linked to it on Unified Objects. This sounds like quite an ambitious project. I would agree with Tomeu that some kind of UI mockup would be a good idea. I've been

Re: [IAEP] Library Activity

2009-05-05 Thread Carol Farlow Lerche
Sorry for posting the screenshot without text (I was reposting a compacted version of the original screenshot, which our list manager wisely refused to forward). My original post was: I have attached a screenshot of calibre. This is a very useful way to look at books, though I'm sure many

Re: [IAEP] Library Activity

2009-05-05 Thread Aleksey Lim
On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 09:41:01AM -0700, Carol Farlow Lerche wrote: Sorry for posting the screenshot without text (I was reposting a compacted version of the original screenshot, which our list manager wisely refused to forward). My original post was: I have attached a screenshot of

Re: [IAEP] Library Activity

2009-05-05 Thread Samuel Klein
The screenshots help the discussion a great deal. Thinking in terms of how you sort and change views is useful, since there are a few very different use cases that could all rely on what Aleksey is describing [local calibre, active filesharing, global persistent file hosting and bundle

Re: [IAEP] Library Activity

2009-05-05 Thread Edward Cherlin
Here is a screenshot from Goodreads.com of the beginning of my Economics collection. I have to go around the house and find the rest, put them on a physical shelf together (I recently added three new bookcases), and add them to my list. People occasionally ask me where to get a particular book, or

Re: [IAEP] Library Activity

2009-05-05 Thread James Simmons
All, The last few emails on the Library Activity suggest that people are looking at Library as a way of organizing their various Journal content just as much if not more than as a way to share said content. As far as organizing content goes, I like what Calibre does better than the tree view

Re: [IAEP] Library Activity

2009-05-05 Thread Carol Farlow Lerche
To the extent that Title, Author, etc. are simply labels for two tags that many ebook items have, and that one could establish others, it is a good generalization of calibre's useful but fixed view. A lot of programs (including the dreaded Windows) allow selection of which columns to display,

Re: [IAEP] Library Activity

2009-05-05 Thread Carol Farlow Lerche
Here is fisheye. On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Carol Farlow Lerche c...@msbit.com wrote: To the extent that Title, Author, etc. are simply labels for two tags that many ebook items have, and that one could establish others, it is a good generalization of calibre's useful but fixed view. A

Re: [IAEP] Library Activity

2009-05-05 Thread Aleksey Lim
On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 02:33:30PM -0500, James Simmons wrote: All, The last few emails on the Library Activity suggest that people are looking at Library as a way of organizing their various Journal content just as much if not more than as a way to share said content. As far as

Re: [IAEP] Library Activity

2009-05-05 Thread Aleksey Lim
On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 12:46:56PM -0700, Carol Farlow Lerche wrote: To the extent that Title, Author, etc. are simply labels for two tags that many ebook items have, and that one could establish others, it is a good generalization of calibre's useful but fixed view. a great idea!.. Instead of

Re: [IAEP] Library Activity

2009-05-05 Thread James Simmons
Aleksey, It isn't clear to me what a cloud of tags is. Is there a familiar application that does something like this? I understand that users can tag things to suit themselves, but still I'd want to impose some kind of structure on the views. When I started visiting libraries they had card

Re: [IAEP] Library Activity

2009-05-05 Thread Martin Dengler
On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 04:12:39PM -0500, James Simmons wrote: Aleksey, It isn't clear to me what a cloud of tags is. Is there a familiar application that does something like this? Perhaps he means http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tag_cloud James Simmons Martin pgpVfrSC2AFqA.pgp

Re: [IAEP] Library Activity

2009-05-05 Thread Carol Farlow Lerche
Jim, children are great collectors. I just think it is wise to try interfaces with varying numbers of items before concluding that one or another mode is too complicated. If you'd like to try an interface that has tunable complexity, you might like to get a copy of the readerware trial. I can

Re: [IAEP] Library Activity

2009-05-05 Thread Aleksey Lim
On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 04:12:39PM -0500, James Simmons wrote: Aleksey, It isn't clear to me what a cloud of tags is. Is there a familiar application that does something like this? thanks to Martin, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tag_cloud I understand that users can tag things to suit

Re: [IAEP] Library Activity

2009-05-05 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Aleksey Lim alsr...@member.fsf.org wrote: On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 02:33:30PM -0500, James Simmons wrote: All, The last few emails on the Library Activity suggest that people are looking at Library as a way of organizing their various Journal content just as

Re: [IAEP] Library Activity

2009-05-05 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 2:12 PM, James Simmons jim.simm...@walgreens.com wrote: Aleksey, ... In the Calibre screenshot we had File Size, Publisher, Date, Series, and I could easily do without any of them. Whereas I would use each of them frequently. o File Size is particularly useful for

Re: [IAEP] Library Activity

2009-05-05 Thread James Simmons
Carol, I meant no insult to children. I just thought they could benefit from a basic structure which they could then add to. Not everyone is good at designing hierarchies. It's something you have to learn. My own mother has not really mastered the idea of hierarchical file systems. (Dad

Re: [IAEP] Library Activity

2009-05-04 Thread James Simmons
Aleksey, I, too would be interested in what this will look like. From your description it sounds like a way of grouping things (including texts) in such a way that you can share them with others without actually having them open, as long as the Library activity itself is open. I would

Re: [IAEP] Library Activity

2009-05-04 Thread Carol Farlow Lerche
Calibre makes a sqlite3 database which is the basis for its display. It seems to have a reasonable schema. (An easy way to examine it is with the Sqlite Manger, an excellent Firefox add-on if you haven't already discovered it). On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 11:54 AM, James Simmons

Re: [IAEP] Library Activity

2009-05-04 Thread James Simmons
Carol, I would not use sqllite 3. The metadata for several hundred books could easily fit in memory. It would basically be a good sized spreadsheet. Python has a pickling feature which can save a bunch of objects in memory in a single file that can be easily reloaded into memory. I could

Re: [IAEP] Library Activity

2009-05-04 Thread Carol Farlow Lerche
You would need to reinvent ACID updates if you shared the catalog. On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 12:34 PM, James Simmons jim.simm...@walgreens.comwrote: Carol, I would not use sqllite 3. The metadata for several hundred books could easily fit in memory. It would basically be a good sized

Re: [IAEP] Library Activity

2009-05-04 Thread James Simmons
Carol, I see sharing the catalog as a read-only thing. I don't know what Aleksey has in mind for Library. Even if that wasn't true, a database is not necessary. There is a framework called Prevayler that handles in-memory databases in such a way that you can lose power without losing

Re: [IAEP] Library Activity

2009-05-04 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Eben Eliason wrote: Something we have talked about in the past is a way for individuals to share content they've created with others, and an obvious means of accomplishing this task is to provide functionality of a View Alice's Journal nature, by which Bob could view Alice's shared content.

Re: [IAEP] Library Activity

2009-05-04 Thread Lucian Branescu
WebDAV is very nice at a first look, but its implementations are so radically different, that using it across OSes is often hopeless (from my limited experience). 2009/5/5 Benjamin M. Schwartz bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu: Eben Eliason wrote: Something we have talked about in the past is a way for

Re: [IAEP] Library Activity

2009-05-04 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lucian Branescu wrote: WebDAV is very nice at a first look, but its implementations are so radically different, that using it across OSes is often hopeless (from my limited experience). - From what I've read, Windows's built-in WebDAV support

Re: [IAEP] Library Activity

2009-05-04 Thread Aleksey Lim
On Mon, May 04, 2009 at 01:54:30PM -0500, James Simmons wrote: Aleksey, I, too would be interested in what this will look like. From your description it sounds like a way of grouping things (including texts) in such a way that you can share them with others without actually having

Re: [IAEP] Library Activity

2009-05-04 Thread Aleksey Lim
In case of Library activity I'm going to follow simple rules: * use local datastore API to search/filter objects * use remote datastore API(in some way) to search/filter objects from remote users(sources) * use telepathy tubes for notifying users about changes * sync shared objects while