Re: SMP sloppiness

2005-08-09 Thread Shane Ginnane
Just a quick apology to the BCP (and ancillary product) support teams. Went back and checked my holddata - *ALL* the holds that referred back to PTFs were from ... ... ... tada ... ... yep, you quessed it - DB2 . Shane ...

Re: Is there any way to find who edited my sequential dataset rec ently?

2005-08-09 Thread Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi, Is there any way to find who edited my sequential dataset recently. Regards, Vinoth Thiyagarajan Yes, scan SMF records 15. Kees. ** For

Re: Is there any way to find who edited my sequential dataset rec ently?

2005-08-09 Thread Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM
Itschak, Record 14 is Open-Input, Record 15 is Open-Output/Update. Kees. Itschak Mugzach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... SMF record 14 (if collected). Itschak -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf

Re: Is there any way to find who edited my sequential dataset rec ently?

2005-08-09 Thread Knutson, Sam
DAF reads a variety of SMF Records and reports the results. Dataset Audit Facility (DAF) http://www.geocities.com/michaeljosephcleary/ http://www.cbttape.org/ftp/updates/CBT094.zip http://www.cbttape.org/updates.htm http://www.cbttape.org Best Regards, Sam Knutson, GEICO Performance

VTAM Internal trace

2005-08-09 Thread mary george
All, I am a new bie to trace reading While reading VTAM Internal trace entires,I first read the entry realted to an abend with id ABND.Then I decided to trace forward the entries that occured after this. While doing so I found MSG ,MSG2 entries following the abend entry. IIBM Manual SNA

Re: Moving PDSE Libraries to a new catalog

2005-08-09 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 08/08/2005 at 07:31 AM, Chase, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Since z/OS 1.3 (and earlier, via maintenance), PDSEs no longer need to be cataloged or

GETBLK

2005-08-09 Thread mary george
All, Can anyone guide me on where I can find information on GETBLK and FBLK? Cheers, Mary - Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe /

Re: DST Bill may cause Electronic Setbacks.

2005-08-09 Thread ibm-main
Like, I suspect, the rest of the known (non-USA) universe, I view all this introspective angst and hand-wringing as facile. We routinely put up with our appointed oligarchs changing (or cancelling) DST. Bill Gates isn't going to bring forward the release of Vista, Chicken Little isn't going to be

Re: DST Bill may cause Electronic Setbacks.

2005-08-09 Thread Dave Thorn
And MIPs. : ) Dave Thorn Senior Technology Analyst SunGard Computer Services 600 Laurel Oak Road Voorhees, NJ 08043 Office 856-566-5412 Fax 856-566-3656 Cell 609-781-0353 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Keeping

Re: Mismatch in volumelist from ISMF/OAM

2005-08-09 Thread Daniel Cattin
Hello Ottar, I have a similar problem here. With D SMS,LIBRARY(lib),DETAIL I get 284 scratch tapes. ISMF MOUNTABLE TAPE VOLUME LIST counts 250 but TAPE LIBRARY LIST says there are 284 scratch tapes. The library manager counts 250 scratch tape in his scratch categorie. I'm rather sure that 250 is

Any way to get SDSF to cough up ICH408I?

2005-08-09 Thread Thomas Conley
I'm working on an ACF2 to RACF conversion. Getting SDSF to work under RACF is a royal PITA because all it gives you is an ISPF message NOT AUTHORIZED FOR xxx. The underlying ICH408I is suppressed, so I can't see the real failure. Is there any way to get SDSF to cough up the ICH408I so I can

Re: DST Bill may cause Electronic Setbacks.

2005-08-09 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, Ed Finnell said: Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 07:09:56 EDT http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050808/NEWS06/508080422/1012/NEWS06 Two biggies that come to mind are schedulers and 'Smart cards'/Crypto cards. Seems like the time to CUT in

Re: DFSORT MOD27 support

2005-08-09 Thread Bill Fairchild
In a message dated 8/8/2005 6:08:28 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No; the 3390 is an FBA disk simulating CKD. That's what I get for trusting, but not verifying, IBM's technical publications. GC26-4573-03, IBM 3390 Direct Access Storage Introduction, says All

Re: Any way to get SDSF to cough up ICH408I?

2005-08-09 Thread Itschak Mugzach
We don't use racf to protect SDSF, but if no smf record was created for this failure, you can audit the user activity and look into SMF to see the racf profile and required authority. Itschak -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of

Re: GETBLK

2005-08-09 Thread Charles Mills
$GETBLK is a JES2 macro. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mary george Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 5:00 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: GETBLK All, Can anyone guide me on where I can find information on

Re: Mismatch in volumelist from ISMF/OAM

2005-08-09 Thread Porowski, Ken
Check tapes in ERROR status IIRC in some cases they are counted in the LM but not D SMS ... Ken Porowski AVP Systems Software CIT Group Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Daniel Cattin Hello Ottar, I have a similar problem here. With D SMS,LIBRARY(lib),DETAIL I get 284

Re: Moving PDSE Libraries to a new catalog

2005-08-09 Thread Mark Zelden
On Tue, 9 Aug 2005 06:48:44 -0500, Chase, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 08/08/2005 at 07:31 AM, Chase, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Since z/OS 1.3 (and earlier,

Re: Moving PDSE Libraries to a new catalog

2005-08-09 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mark Zelden On Tue, 9 Aug 2005 06:48:44 -0500, Chase, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [ snip ] We have a few PDSEs on our SYSRES pairs (z/OS 1.5) that are indirectly cataloged -- so one copy is always

Re: Is there any c language lib for list/queue/stack data struct in z/os v1r6?

2005-08-09 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
http://dannyreviews.com/h/Art_Programming.html You have to write them yourself for C language, only STL for C++ provides pre-packaged versions. Or find some enterprising programmer who has already done it and pay him/her for his/her version. HTH Peter -Original Message- From: IBM

Re: Any way to get SDSF to cough up ICH408I?

2005-08-09 Thread Staller, Allan
It is most likely also on syslog if your routcodes are typical snip Is there any way to get SDSF to cough up the ICH408I so I can fix the problems? /snip HTH, -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions,

Re: Moving PDSE Libraries to a new catalog

2005-08-09 Thread Bruce Black
My recollection is that they require an NVR and hence must be cataloged, even if not SMS managed. NVRs exist only on SMS volumes, so a PDSE on a non-SMS volume does not have an NVR; it also does not need to be cataloged. There is nothing special in the NVR for a SMS PDSE except the SMS

Re: Moving PDSE Libraries to a new catalog

2005-08-09 Thread Bruce Black
IIUC, both types of datasets are VSAM linear datasets under the covers That is a semi-urban myth Gr True, both use fixed 4K blocks internally; this is similar to VSAM Linear although linear can now use other blocksizes. I beleive that the Media Manager is used on PDSE and HFS. Media

Re: Any way to get SDSF to cough up ICH408I?

2005-08-09 Thread Philippe Leite
Thomas, You can use RACTRACE to monitor SAF calls. Probably SDSF is using RACROUTE with LOG=NONE. RACTRACE -- ftp://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redbooks/GG243984/ Regards, Philippe Leite z/OS Systems Programmer BBVA Portugal -- For

Re: Is there any way to find who edited my sequential dataset recently?

2005-08-09 Thread Ed Gould
On Aug 9, 2005, at 1:59 AM, Vinoth Thiyagarajan wrote: Hi, Is there any way to find who edited my sequential dataset recently. Regards, Vinoth Thiyagarajan Look at type 15 SMF records. Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe /

Re: ALIAS for a LMOD

2005-08-09 Thread Rob Wunderlich
On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 12:37:51 -0700, Barry Schwarz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The stolen status means the alias used to belong to a different load module. Any chance that could be part of the problem? Was the linkedit run on the same image as where the abend106 occurred? Is this an LLA managed lib?

FICON Express2

2005-08-09 Thread Salah Balboul
Hello List, How can you tell if the FICON Express2 is operating at 2Gbit/Sec speed? They are connected to a 2105 device type. Thanks -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL

New Hot Topics Letter

2005-08-09 Thread Ed Gould
http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/zos/bkserv/hot_topics.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the

Re: DST Bill may cause Electronic Setbacks.

2005-08-09 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 8/9/2005 8:28:00 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There should be no need for a nicely timed CUT in nor for pre/post libraries. The parameter itself should be algorithmic: Therein lies the rub. The PARMs fields are not executed. They're READ.

Re: SMP sloppiness

2005-08-09 Thread Ed Gould
On Aug 9, 2005, at 1:35 AM, Shane Ginnane wrote: Just a quick apology to the BCP (and ancillary product) support teams. Went back and checked my holddata - *ALL* the holds that referred back to PTFs were from ... ... ... tada ... ... yep, you quessed it - DB2 . Shane ... Shane (or

SMPE PTS Allocation Question

2005-08-09 Thread Howard Rifkind
I it possible to have the PTS span move that one DASD volume? The reason I ask is that I just received 6 ESO tapes having just about every z/OS 1.4 sysmod. Because no service as ever applied to the system since it was installed in March of 2004, IBM recommended that I go back to 2002 and

Re: SMPE PTS Allocation Question

2005-08-09 Thread Pommier, Rex R.
Use the SMPPTS spill datasets, SMPPTS, SMPPTS1, SMPPTS2, etc. Just make sure you define each of them in the CSI and don't skip any numbers. SMP/E will automatically take care of moving from one to the next during the receive and subsequent processing. Rex -Original Message- From: IBM

Re: SMPE PTS Allocation Question

2005-08-09 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 8/9/2005 11:30:06 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I it possible to have the PTS span move that one DASD volume? Maybe easier to manage with spill PTS's. PTS1,2,3,etc. This is probably your entire profile of software products including DB/2 and

Re: SMPE PTS Allocation Question

2005-08-09 Thread Imbriale, Donald (Exchange)
Since the PTS is a PDS/PDSE, it cannot span volumes. You need to use spill data sets. Don Imbriale -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Howard Rifkind Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 12:19 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: SMPE

Re: DST Bill may cause Electronic Setbacks.

2005-08-09 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, Ed Finnell said: Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 12:20:22 EDT In a message dated 8/9/2005 8:28:00 A.M. Central Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes: There should be no need for a nicely timed CUT in nor for pre/post libraries. The parameter itself should be

Spanned PDS/PDSE (was: Re: SMPE PTS ... )

2005-08-09 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, Imbriale, Donald (Exchange) said: Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 12:44:12 -0400 Since the PTS is a PDS/PDSE, it cannot span volumes. ... Since PDSes are mired in antiquity, with such anachronisms as embedded geometry-dependent references, I understand that they can't span

Re: DST Bill may cause Electronic Setbacks.

2005-08-09 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 8/9/2005 11:51:30 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It seems to me that a mere READ is insufficient to deal with even that sort of specification; something must be executed or interpreted; along the lines of: With OCO and 40-50 vendors and

TCP/IP Performance Reports

2005-08-09 Thread Hal Merritt
Does this august group have any suggestions for a suitable way to report the SMF118/119 records?? I am most interested in seeing traffic volumes and any performance issues on an adapter by adapter basis. The adapters are gigabit QDIO. Target audience is technical management. I am

Re: TCP/IP Performance Reports

2005-08-09 Thread Mark T. Regan, K8MTR
You might want to post to the IBMTCP-L mailing list too. That's where everyone that works with TCPIP on the mainframe hangs out at. To subscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the command SUBSCRIBE IBMTCP-L Hal Merritt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does this august group

Re: Any way to get SDSF to cough up ICH408I?

2005-08-09 Thread Natarajan Mohan
You could use the $TDEBUG,SECURITY=YES if you have JES2 to enable the security message show up on the console or log. Thanks Natarajan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/09 6:11 AM I'm working on an ACF2 to RACF conversion. Getting SDSF to work under RACF is a royal PITA because all it gives you is an

Re: TCP/IP Performance Reports

2005-08-09 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 8/9/2005 12:01:32 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: am most interested in seeing traffic volumes and any performance issues on an adapter by adapter basis. The adapters are gigabit QDIO. Target audience is technical management. Have you tried

Re: Spanned PDS/PDSE (was: Re: SMPE PTS ... )

2005-08-09 Thread Ted MacNEIL
But I thought PDSEs are geometry-independent, with all embedded references in terms of relative record. Why shouldn't they be able to span volumes? ... Because they can't? Broken As Designed. All the doc says they cannot span volumes. -teD In God we Trust! All others bring data! -- W.

Re: SMPE PTS Allocation Question

2005-08-09 Thread Hylton Tom P
Use smp Spill Sets. There's an info apar on them. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Howard Rifkind Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 12:19 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: SMPE PTS Allocation Question I it possible to have

Re: TCP/IP Performance Reports

2005-08-09 Thread Knutson, Sam
PC SAS http://www.sas.com + MXG http://www.mxg.com is not free but it's not expensive either compared to a full blown host monitor and would save you a LOT of time compared to RYO from scratch for reports based on SMF 118/119. Best Regards, Sam Knutson, GEICO

Re: TCP/IP Performance Reports

2005-08-09 Thread Scott Barry
Consider the SHARE paper listed below that contains useful admin guidance (SMF 119 recommended over 118), changes with 119, and also useful URL/web links to get started. Consider REXX or DFSORT/ICETOOL, possibly for decoding/reporting SMF 119/118 activity. Sincerely, Scott Barry SBBWorks, Inc.

Re: TCP/IP Performance Reports

2005-08-09 Thread Natarajan Mohan
Alan Nicholes has couple of rexx programs to read SMF118 and split records based on API, FTP, and TELNET etc. You could find that at the following URL http://s390.nichols.de/REXXsmf/index.html You could modify the rexx program to generate fixed records and run SORT to generate some reports based

multivolume PDSEs (was: Spanned PDSs/PDSEs)

2005-08-09 Thread john gilmore
The term 'spanned' has for long had an important, legitimate use in this context. Those of you have been using it in this new unwonted sense, to mean multi-volume, should stop. Dubious terminology fouls up the archives for our posterity. John Gilmore Ashland, MA 01721 USA

Test BR R151 with VSAM-EF support

2005-08-09 Thread Gilbert Saint-Flour
To all, I recently modified the BR command (VSAM Browser for ISPF) to support VSAM Extended-format data sets and am looking for people to test it. The source code is available at http://gsf-soft.com/Download/BR151.XMIT Download instructions are available here:

BrightStor CA-Disk Backup Restore for UNIX System Services

2005-08-09 Thread Pope, Lynette
Cross-posted to MVS-OE and IBM-Main We're looking at products comparable to IBM Tivoli Storage Manager for USS For backup and restore of data stored under Unix System Services BrightStor CA-Disk Backup Restore for UNIX System Services has been suggested. Do you use this product? Does

You might be a mainframer if... :-) V3.8

2005-08-09 Thread Matthew Stitt
When someone mentions green card, you don't think of immigration You understand the significance of version 3.8 You think of DASD not DISK You know what a disk pack is When someone mentions RENT you don't think of housing expense You know that WAD has nothing to do with gum You think that fixed

Re: You might be a mainframer if... :-) V3.8

2005-08-09 Thread Gary Green
Ah Forgot to include CRLF's did we...? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew Stitt Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 4:56 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: You might be a mainframer if... :-) V3.8 When someone mentions

Re: EJES vs. IOF??? (was EJES is Preferred over SDSF (according to Z/Flash))

2005-08-09 Thread Edward E. Jaffe
Knutson, Sam wrote: My chief complaint with the current iteration of IOF is that it uses APPC for cross system communication almost as arcane as SDSF using MQSeries. I have not used E(JES) but understand it uses XCF a sensible and simple choice in a Sysplex and one that is familiar to the MVS

Re: You might be a mainframer if... :-) V3.8

2005-08-09 Thread Bruce Black
Forgot to include CRLF's did we...? Came out OK in my email. Maybe we' through them away? gr -- Bruce A. Black Senior Software Developer for FDR Innovation Data Processing 973-890-7300 personal: [EMAIL PROTECTED] sales info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tech support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web:

Re: You might be a mainframer if... :-) V3.8

2005-08-09 Thread Gary Green
Not at this end so you may have something there... For others... IIRC, DERF is spelled DIRF (I zapped it enough times...) -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Black Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 5:06 PM To:

Re: You might be a mainframer if... :-) V3.8

2005-08-09 Thread Desi de la Garza
Ahem,,,EREP maybe. -Original Message- From: Matthew Stitt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 3:56 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: You might be a mainframer if... :-) V3.8 When someone mentions green card, you don't think of immigration You understand the

BMC Mainview for USS

2005-08-09 Thread Pope, Lynette
Cross-posted to MVS-OE and IBM-Main Do you use this component? (I know that BMC Mainview has LOTS of components, the USS portion is the only one we're interested in) Does it live up to it's claims? Did you consider it and decide to go another direction? Why? Did you have it and then got rid

Re: SORT help - to split by delimiters

2005-08-09 Thread Tony Babonas
Nah, Yaeger is always one step ahead. I should have added: OUTREC OUTFIL=ORPHANS,SAVE -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chase, John Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 6:42 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: SORT help

CAS mother task, allocate task, analysis task, and modify task.

2005-08-09 Thread Roberto Ibarra Magdaleno
Hi all! z/OS 1.4 DFSMS: Managing Catalogs manual: 8.1 The Catalog Address Space states: CAS also maintains four special tasks for its own use: the mother task, allocate task, analysis task, and modify task. My question is: are those four special tasks STCs, or just threads inside the CAS?

Re: CAS mother task, allocate task, analysis task, and modify task.

2005-08-09 Thread Ted MacNEIL
My question is: are those four special tasks STCs, or just threads inside the CAS? ... They are TCB's within the CAS. They are not quiche-eating 'threads', forks, spawns, or processess. (8-{]} -teD In God we Trust! All others bring data! -- W. Edwards Deming

Re: EJES vs. IOF??? (was EJES is Preferred over SDSF (according to Z/Flash))

2005-08-09 Thread Craddock, Chris
Ed Jaffe said; XCF is even more beneficial than people might think, especially in larger configurations. mucho excellent info snipped Absolutimento! It dribbles, it shoots, it scores. :o) I'm a fan too. XCF is a real swiss-army knife of a component. It's valid on all systems (not just a

HFS access changes

2005-08-09 Thread Steve Comstock
Did I miss something? I had four programs (one each in Assembler, COBOL, C, and PL/I) that access a sequential file in a classic, traditional way. When I changed the JCL to point to the same file copied over into the HFS (use PATH and PATHOPTS, remove DSN and DISP), it used to work the same. Now

Re: DFSORT MOD27 support

2005-08-09 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 08/09/2005 at 09:29 AM, Bill Fairchild [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I don't usually look under the covers. I vaguely recall that near the time of the announcement. IBM mentioned that the 3370 and 3375 were the same disk drive except for the FBA-CKD conversion. I just read

Re: HFS access changes

2005-08-09 Thread Steve Comstock
Steve Comstock wrote: Did I miss something? I had four programs (one each in Assembler, COBOL, C, and PL/I) that access a sequential file in a classic, traditional way. When I changed the JCL to point to the same file copied over into the HFS (use PATH and PATHOPTS, remove DSN and DISP), it

Re: SORT help - to split by delimiters

2005-08-09 Thread tony babonas
Thanks for the clarification, FY, that's what I get for reading the list from home without my trusty office PC at hand Based on the limited snippet of sample records, this is theoretically achievable if there is not more than 1 ~ character per record. Having no qualms of being accused of

Re: You might be a mainframer if... :-) V3.8

2005-08-09 Thread Gilbert Saint-Flour
Matthew Stitt wrote: You understand the significance of version 3.8 Version 3.8 ? Of what? If you're thinking of MVS 3.8. you're not really a mainframer, because MVS 3.8 never existed. True mainframers know that what some people call MVS 3.8 today was called, in fact, OS/VS2 Release 3.8

Re: EJES vs. IOF??? (was EJES is Preferred over SDSF (according to Z/Flash))

2005-08-09 Thread Edward E. Jaffe
Craddock, Chris wrote: [snip] TCP goes over XCF inside the plex. TCP traffic *can* go over XCF in a sysplex (it's optional.) So can SNA traffic (also optional). Basically, CS knows about XCF and will move traffic that way if you allow it to do so. Very slick! And (my favorite part)

Re: DFHSM Encryption

2005-08-09 Thread Gibney, David Allen,Jr
I'm back from wherever . I meant encrypt the files from the application. HSM and DSS don't quite do the encryption yet, looks like they are close. And Innovation does it now. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Staller, Allan

Re: You might be a mainframer if... :-) V3.8

2005-08-09 Thread Joe Zitzelberger
That is a different list -- The you might use a non-archaic computer if... But thanks for pointing out that they forgot: #1 - CRLF? Weee dooont need nooo stinking CRLF in our card decks! On Aug 9, 2005, at 4:57 PM, Gary Green wrote: Ah Forgot to include CRLF's did we...?