TN3270 SSL connections

2006-01-27 Thread Van Dalsen, Herbie
Hi all, I please need a bit of advice. I looked at one of the previous messages on the lis concerning my error I am getting, and my cenario seems just a little different in that I am using a RACF KeyRing. I did a Refresh of the DIGTRING and DIGTCERT classes in RACF. TCPIP has read access

Re: Testing ASM under TSO

2006-01-27 Thread Rob Scott
z/XDC is one of those software tools that makes you shudder to think of being without it - rather like someone taking away your keyboard and screen and making you use punched cards. Rob Scott Rocket Software http://www.rs.com/portfolio/mxi/

Re: What happens if CR's are directly changed?

2006-01-27 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 11:19:30 -0600 Craddock, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :Walt Farrell and I agree that this sounds like a bad idea. : There is a need, as the AX (via AXSET) is a global address space : value. There is no way (that I can find) to legally change the : AX for a single unit

Re: What happens if CR's are directly changed?

2006-01-27 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 14:52:02 -0500 Jim Mulder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU wrote on 01/26/2006 :09:47:40 AM: : : There is no way (that I can find) to legally change the AX for : a single unit : : of work. : The AX is intended by architecture to

Re: State of the Mainframe - News Article

2006-01-27 Thread Gibney, Dave
Undoubtedly to the choir. But they can buy small/medium servers and software from petty cash. After some dozen(s), it's noticed that the support admins are overworked and stressed, and they pull a position from mainframe and hire another PC jockey. By the time the TCO arguments really make a

Re: Testing ASM under TSO

2006-01-27 Thread Don Poitras
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: z/XDC from Cole Software is my tool of choice. I'd say that would also be true for most of the other Assembler programmers I've worked with over the years. There is also the IDF that comes with the HLASM Toolkit, but the last time I tinkered with

Re: Is VIO mandatory?

2006-01-27 Thread Gerhard Postpischil
Greg Price wrote: Years ago I found directing compiler (PL/I and Assembler) work files to VIO could reduce the elapsed time of a compilation to a fraction of what it otherwise would be. May not be true now... or systems are so fast it doesn't matter much anymore. Months ago I found that

Re: zIIPs

2006-01-27 Thread Ulrich Boche
Edward E. Jaffe wrote: Seems like IBM has had trouble lately getting z-related announcements out the door on time. (This one was supposed to be January 24.) Remember the debacle with the z9 announcement? People were scratching their heads for days. Some went ahead and printed their articles.

Z890 CF LPAR

2006-01-27 Thread Rich Tabor
Is it possible to partition a Z890 into an LPAR that functions as a coupling facility? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search

Re: zIIPs

2006-01-27 Thread Richards.Bob
Tim, I see this from the Press Room: http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/19157.wss zIIPs will be $125,000 in the USA. There is a small blurb at the bottom on DB2 futures. Working on the questions... Bob -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: Wd4z ver 6.01

2006-01-27 Thread Chris Mason
Andy, If you set up news.software.ibm.com as a server in your news reader you will get access to a number of websphere newsgroups which IBM is trying to encourage people to use - presumably. I know them only because they've been recently set up and I got notified when it happened. Chris Mason

Re: TN3270 SSL connections

2006-01-27 Thread Ulrich Boche
Van Dalsen, Herbie wrote: Hi all, I please need a bit of advice. I looked at one of the previous messages on the lis concerning my error I am getting, and my cenario seems just a little different in that I am using a RACF KeyRing. I did a Refresh of the DIGTRING and DIGTCERT classes in

Re: Testing ASM under TSO

2006-01-27 Thread Knutson, Sam
z/XDC http://www.colesoft.com/ It is not free but it is a good value if you have to debug assembler code routinely. I notice you can now browse all the documentation without needing a customer sign in which is a good way to get an idea of the scope and power of the product.

Re: Z890 CF LPAR

2006-01-27 Thread Knutson, Sam
Hi Rich, We use a z890 as standalone CF with 1 ICF. From the z890 FAQ on it's home page Question: Can I buy a server that has only IFL or ICF engines without including a standard engine? Answer: Yes. The zSeries Offering for Linux provides a z800 model 0LF which includes up to four IFL engines

Re: Z890 CF LPAR

2006-01-27 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Tabor Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 8:27 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Z890 CF LPAR Is it possible to partition a Z890 into an LPAR that functions as a coupling facility?

Re: What happens if CR's are directly changed?

2006-01-27 Thread Edward E. Jaffe
Binyamin Dissen wrote: On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 14:52:02 -0500 Jim Mulder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU wrote on 01/26/2006 :09:47:40 AM: : : There is no way (that I can find) to legally change the AX for : a single unit : : of work. : The AX is

Re: Testing ASM under TSO

2006-01-27 Thread Edward E. Jaffe
Rob Scott wrote: z/XDC is one of those software tools that makes you shudder to think of being without it - rather like someone taking away your keyboard and screen and making you use punched cards. What timing! Just this week, Tom Harper (Neon Software) and I agreed that z/XDC was worth

Re: Testing ASM under TSO

2006-01-27 Thread Craddock, Chris
Rob Scott said; z/XDC is one of those software tools that makes you shudder to think of being without it - rather like someone taking away your keyboard and screen and making you use punched cards. And I say - what he said z/XDC is the best debugger on the planet. CC

Clist problem: character [ is converted to : at output

2006-01-27 Thread Eckart Koehler
We've got a problem with clist. The character [ and ] (left and right square brackets) are stored ok in the dataset (x'AD' and x'BD') but when clist displays them at terminal they appear as : (colon). This is true even if the clist displays any dataset with [ or ]. TIA. E.Koehler

Re: TN3270 SSL connections

2006-01-27 Thread Van Dalsen, Herbie
Ulrich, I have created the Certificates / Keyring using the jobs from the Communications Server for z/OS 1.6 TCP/IP Implementation Guide Volume 7: Security pages 212 -- so I am sure that they are self-signed. Regards Herbie -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: Testing ASM under TSO

2006-01-27 Thread Bob Shannon
z/XDC is one of those software tools that makes you shudder to think of being without it - rather like someone taking away your keyboard and screen and making you use punched cards. And I say - what he said z/XDC is the best debugger on the planet. TEST does not recognize the new

Re: zIIPs

2006-01-27 Thread Ted MacNEIL
zIIPs will be $125,000 in the USA. There is a small blurb at the bottom on DB2 futures. That's sort of what IBM promised at their z9 109 RoadShow, last September. It's the same cost for an IFL and a z/AAP. - -teD I’m an enthusiastic proselytiser of the universal panacea I believe in!

Re: Clist problem: character [ is converted to : at output

2006-01-27 Thread TISLER Zaromil
snip We've got a problem with clist. The character [ and ] (left and right square brackets) are stored ok in the dataset (x'AD' and x'BD') but when clist displays them at terminal they appear as : (colon). This is true even if the clist displays any dataset with [ or ]. /snip Non-displayable

Re: Clist problem: character [ is converted to : at output

2006-01-27 Thread Ted MacNEIL
clist displays them at terminal they appear as : (colon). It's not a colon. It's 3270-speak for unprintable character. - -teD I’m an enthusiastic proselytiser of the universal panacea I believe in! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe /

Re: Clist problem: character [ is converted to : at output

2006-01-27 Thread Richard Tsujimoto
This might help: http://listserv.meduniwien.ac.at/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0312L=cics-lT=0O=AP=37356 Eckart Koehler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU 01/27/2006 09:56 AM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU To

zIIPs

2006-01-27 Thread Phil Payne
zIIPs will be $125,000 in the USA. Same list price as the other specialty engines, then. $45k to $60k on the streets. This has all the hallmarks of a skeleton announcement brought forward for some reason from a much later planned date. One thing I would have expected to accompany the

Re: Clist problem: character [ is converted to : at output

2006-01-27 Thread Big Iron
I think that the default translate tables will treat these characters as unprintable and so they will appear as the : character. Bill -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL

Re: What happens if CR's are directly changed?

2006-01-27 Thread Walt Farrell
On 1/27/2006 9:59 AM, Edward E. Jaffe wrote: You can use upgraded address-space level resources and still maintain integrity by managing the dispatchability of the other TCBs in the address space. If they're all stopped, they can't access the upgraded resource. (This is the methodology

Re: Is VIO mandatory?

2006-01-27 Thread Ron and Jenny Hawkins
Gerhard, Why don't you just fix the VIO Maxsize in SMS - sooo much easier! Ron -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gerhard Postpischil Sent: Friday, 27 January 2006 3:09 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Is VIO

Re: zIIPs

2006-01-27 Thread Sebastian Welton
IBM. I've put up a couple of links to the zSeries pages and the overview PDF and the Googlebot came last night (as it does every night) so IBM's pages should be showing up on Google soon. http://news.yahoo.com/s/cmp/20060127/tc_cmp/177104217 http://www.internetnews.com/storage/article.php/3580926

Receive Cancel command with a C program

2006-01-27 Thread Daniel Cremieux
Dear all i try to trap the Cancel command in my C program , but i doesn't seem to work . Looking for help !!! Thank you int main() { SIGNAL(SIGTERM, display); SIGNAL(SIGABRT, display); SIGNAL(SIGINT , display); SIGNAL(SIGABND, display); for (;;); printf(End prog\n); return(0); }

Newbie BPX question

2006-01-27 Thread Mark Pace
I'm installing zOS 1.7, yes, still. Part of the TCPIP IVP asks if I have a BPX.DAEMON environment. I don't know, and I don't know how to figure it out. Where would I look to determine if I have a BPX.DAEMON? Thanks. Mark D Pace Senior Systems Engineer Mainline Information Systems 1700 Summit

Re: Newbie BPX question

2006-01-27 Thread Hunkeler Peter (KRDO 4)
It's a RACF FACILITY class profile. See the z/OS UNIX System Services Planning manual for details. Peter Hunkeler CREDIT SUISSE -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Clist problem: character [ is converted to : at output

2006-01-27 Thread Dave Salt
We've got a problem with clist. The character [ and ] (left and right square brackets) are stored ok in the dataset (x'AD' and x'BD') but when clist displays them at terminal they appear as : (colon). This is true even if the clist displays any dataset with [ or ]. TSO can't display them but

Re: Clist problem: character [ is converted to : at output

2006-01-27 Thread Eckart Koehler
Thank you for the answers. We will try the BACKFIX solution. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at

Re: Newbie BPX question

2006-01-27 Thread R.S.
Mark Pace wrote: I'm installing zOS 1.7, yes, still. Part of the TCPIP IVP asks if I have a BPX.DAEMON environment. I don't know, and I don't know how to figure it out. Where would I look to determine if I have a BPX.DAEMON? I believe, you should check RACF CL(FACILITY) profile BPX.DAEMON

SMP/E Reapply Function Question.

2006-01-27 Thread Howard Rifkind
One of my users deleted part of the path/directories for my Ported Tools installation. I would like to retrun the apply to redo the installaton in order to get all

Re: Newbie BPX question

2006-01-27 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Pace Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 10:18 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Newbie BPX question I'm installing zOS 1.7, yes, still. Part of the TCPIP IVP asks if I have a

Re: SMP/E Reapply Function Question.

2006-01-27 Thread Imbriale, Donald (Exchange)
Check out the REDO parameter. Don Imbriale -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Howard Rifkind Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 11:47 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: SMP/E Reapply Function Question. One of my users deleted part

Re: zIIPs

2006-01-27 Thread Edward E. Jaffe
Phil Payne wrote: I didn''t take part in the teleconference (NDAs were required) but I have downloaded the materials. Here's the nub - IBM Confidential until Announcement. Has it actually been announced - I've seen no Announcement Letter? I agree it's confusing and I'm the same boat --

Re: SMP/E Reapply Function Question.

2006-01-27 Thread Beardsley, Shawn
Check the SMP dialog. I used GENERATE to recreate the files from an INFOMAN install once, here was my JCL: //* NOTE: THIS JCL CREATED BY THE COMMAND GENERATION DIALOGS. //SMPCNTL DD * SETBOUNDARY (MVST100) .

Re: Testing ASM under TSO

2006-01-27 Thread Ray Mullins
Me too! Although I will say that HLASM IDF has the plus of being able to run on z/VSE and z/VM. (z/TPF?) Aside - I'd like to give public congratulations to my ex-colleagues: http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/19153.wss Later, Ray -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe

zIIPs

2006-01-27 Thread Al Sherkow
I have been in two NDA briefings before 24January announcement and corresponded since Tuesday with IBM. This was meant to be a preview so you could plan for the zIIPs. The key points are: DB2 enclave SRBs will be able to run on the zIIPs (depending on various parameters), and this will

Re: Famous in Baghdad

2006-01-27 Thread Hollis, Randall H.
Don't forget 1 Yadillion = 10 ^ Yada, yada, yada per George Costanza -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marian Gasparovic Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 1:37 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Famous in Baghdad Same in

Re: Is VIO mandatory?

2006-01-27 Thread Skip Robinson
Another area to watch out for is TSOE TRANSMIT. In PARMLIB, you specify a unit name for 'VIO'. If 'VIO' points to true VIO--directly via the IODF EDT or via SMS--then you can saturate your paging system pretty quickly if someone XMITs a huge file. On the other hand, you can point 'VIO' to ordinary

Edit Macro for DDDEF's?

2006-01-27 Thread Alan Schwartz
I know that a number of years ago I saw (somewhere) an Edit macro that would take jcl and create SMP DDDEF adds or replaces. I've looked through the archives and the CBT site and haven't come across anything like this. I've started coding a REXX to do this but I'm suffering from that Friday

Ordering HLASM for Linux on zSeries

2006-01-27 Thread John R. Ehrman
I've had several questions about ordering HLASM for zLinux; I hope this information will help. Contact your IBM marketing rep to order product 5799-TCQ (and for annual support and Service, 5799-TCR). It requires some form of Linux for zSeries or Linux/390, running on an IFL processor. John

Re: Ordering HLASM for Linux on zSeries

2006-01-27 Thread Wayne Driscoll
So this is only avilable to users running with IFL's? If I have a vm system that has z/OS and z/Linux guests, I can't use the product? The seems odd. Wayne Driscoll Product Developer JME Software LLC NOTE: All opinions are strictly my own. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe

Re: What happens if CR's are directly changed?

2006-01-27 Thread Craddock, Chris
:There are mechanisms for doing that which do not violate integrity. Define what you mean by integrity. Integrity in this case means making sure you are looking at the address space you think you are looking at. Your definition (below) is only a part of the overall requirement. I see

Re: Edit Macro for DDDEF's?

2006-01-27 Thread Richards.Bob
SMP/E's UNLOAD command may be a good place to start. The rest is a SMOP. Bob Richards VP, Enterprise Technologist Enterprise Technology Infrastructure SunTrust Banks, Inc. (404) 575-2798 Seeing beyond money (sm) -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: Is VIO mandatory?

2006-01-27 Thread Knutson, Sam
We rope all true temporary data sets under MAXSIZE into VIO and it works very well. I just ran into one bizarre case we had to provide an exception for by DATACLAS. BMC has a utility that uses temporary data sets between MVS address spaces. Just a consideration when you set things up

Re: Edit Macro for DDDEF's?

2006-01-27 Thread Roach, Dennis
I think he is looking for something that will process JCL and build UCLIN. Dennis Roach United Space Alliance 600 Gemini Avenue Mail Code USH-4A3L Houston, Texas 77058 Voice: (281) 282-2975 Page:(713) 736-8275 Fax: (281) 282-3583 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] All opinions expressed by me

Re: Ordering HLASM for Linux on zSeries

2006-01-27 Thread John Eells
If you have a z/OS system, you already have HLASM, which is a nonexclusive base element of z/OS. (Translation: Comes with z/OS at no additional charge, but is also a separately-orderable product.) Sorry, but I don't know about z/VM. Wayne Driscoll wrote: So this is only avilable to users

Re: SMP/E Reapply Function Question.

2006-01-27 Thread Skip Robinson
As long as you have not ACCEPTed the FMID, REDO should work fine. If you have done the ACCEPT, you will have to reRECEIVE the FMID. . . JO.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 626-302-7535 Office 323-715-0595 Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED] IBM Mainframe

Re: Edit Macro for DDDEF's?

2006-01-27 Thread Alan Schwartz
Exactly Alan Schwartz Assurant Shared Business Services Lead Systems Programmer Phone: 651-361-4758 Fax: 651-361-5625 Roach, Dennis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU 01/27/2006 02:51 PM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: Ordering HLASM for Linux on zSeries

2006-01-27 Thread Ted MacNEIL
So this is only avilable to users running with IFL's? If I have a vm system that has z/OS and z/Linux guests, I can't use the product? The seems odd. No. Just your interpretation was odd. John said OR, not AND (or only). He meant (my interpretation), that you had to have an implementation of

Re: Ordering HLASM for Linux on zSeries

2006-01-27 Thread Wayne Driscoll
Sorry, a clarification. Since John Ehrman specifically mentioned running on an IFL processor my question was if HLASM for z/Linux required IFL processors, or could run in a z/Linux running on a regular processor. I think the answer would be YES, but just wondering. Wayne Driscoll Product

Re: PUT LEVEL

2006-01-27 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 01/26/2006 at 09:46 AM, Desi de la Garza [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: How can I find out what PUT LVL our system is at? Why? In general, two systems at the same PUT level will have different service installed. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO

Re: Support of zOS

2006-01-27 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 01/25/2006 at 04:25 PM, Skip Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: The OMVS HFS files do not live on this sysres. What does live there is a DFDSS unload backup copy of the HFS files. How do you ensure that they are in synch? 2. We have strenuously avoided a multi-volume

Re: Testing ASM under TSO

2006-01-27 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 01/26/2006 at 11:03 PM, William McKinley [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: What do assembler programmers use with the new instruction set? Whatever they are most comfortable with. I prefer XDC when it is available, but I've been known to use TEST in oddball cases. AFAIK there

Re: What happens if CR's are directly changed?

2006-01-27 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 01/27/2006 at 11:18 AM, Binyamin Dissen [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I see integrity as preventing a problem state routine from doing something malicious or outside it's box, and preventing a supervisor state routine from accidentally doing something unexpected. Indeed,

Re: Is VIO mandatory?

2006-01-27 Thread Jim Mulder
IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU wrote on 01/26/2006 08:26:10 PM: When Expanded Storage was introduced on the 390-200 the way VIO worked was changed. VIO was written to ES and not the page datasets, which meant that unless you had really saturated your ES and pushed the

Re: What happens if CR's are directly changed?

2006-01-27 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Gone are the days of cowboy sysprogs. Did they ever exist? I certainly never changed things without understanding the ramifications I remember when OCO first came out, and I was working for the Ontario Ministry of Government Services. We had an 'old-style' curmudgeon of a SYSPROG who lived and

Edit Macro for DDDEF's

2006-01-27 Thread Richards.Bob
I understood that. The unload provides the framework for the UCLIN reload, with the wrapper code doing the JCL parsing, etc. But to answer your question directly, Alan, I personally do not recall ever seeing that edit macro. Bob LEGAL DISCLAIMER The information transmitted is

Re: Test, pls ignore

2006-01-27 Thread ibm-main
A fairly common spam filter assumes that one doesn't send oneself mail. In other words, if the from address is the same as the recipient's address, the mail gets blocked. And, guess what, that's exactly how one's own posts arrive. At 2006-01-26 12:30, you wrote: True. However, like me, it

Re: What happens if CR's are directly changed?

2006-01-27 Thread Kirk Talman
Yes Virginia there were cowboy sysprogs. Middle 70's, large financial institution in large city, twin 370/155's running MVT. 1) Two channel switches had just been added to the disk controllers (dual pathing). Management met with technical in a meeting questioning whether the things were

zIIPs

2006-01-27 Thread Phil Payne
... lowering the 4-hour rolling average ... You and I (with and without IBMers in attendance) have discussed this concept several times. I codified most of my comments in http://www.isham-research.co.uk/wlc.html almost four years ago - stunts like the zIIP are just a form of whack-a-mole

What happens if CR's are directly changed?

2006-01-27 Thread Phil Payne
Whatever happened to: The results are unpredictable? (Or: Both bits are yours.) Gone are the days of cowboy sysprogs. Did they ever exist? You never worked for a vendor? By the nature of the beast, cowboy sysprogs get into more trouble than the other sort and vendor people get to spend a

Re: zIIPs

2006-01-27 Thread Ted MacNEIL
IBM's software charging schemes are inherently business-unfriendly. I could/did have told you that in 1985. As a capacity analyst, I told them that when they introduced tiered pricing. This has screwed up the mainframe pricing model for 20 years! The cost/butt is still better than the *NIX world,

Re: Windows Softcopy Reader gotten any better?

2006-01-27 Thread Charles Mills
I just installed it. I would call it definitely better. Screen fonts aren't nearly so goofy, and it remembers the screen position from exit to next startup. Still can't follow links that are on another shelf, and the back button still takes you back to the top of the page, not where you were.

Sprint backs out of IBM outsourcing deal

2006-01-27 Thread Ed Gould
Sprint Scraps Major IT Outsourcing Deal With IBM TechWeb via Yahoo! News Thu, 26 Jan 2006 12:00 PM PST Sprint is bringing back work and employees it gave to IBM under a $400 million outsourcing pact and redoing its multibillion-dollar call-center deal with the IT services firm.

Re: State of the Mainframe - News Article

2006-01-27 Thread Timothy Sipples
Undoubtedly to the choir. But they can buy small/medium servers and software from petty cash. After some dozen(s), it's noticed that the support admins are overworked and stressed, and they pull a position from mainframe and hire another PC jockey. By the time the TCO arguments really make a