Anyone Using z10 Large Pages in anger?

2010-08-14 Thread Graham Harris
Is anyone actively using z10 (or z196!!) Large Pages in any significant way yet? As a fallout of some initial testing in our sandpit, I had previously raised some issues with IBM regarding some missing RMF3/RMF1 metrics for large pages, mainly in the area of unaccounted-for unused Large Page

DISPLAY command for non-IBM started tasks

2010-08-14 Thread Charles Mills
I know how to process MODIFY and STOP (and the operands of START) commands in a non-IBM-written started task (using EXTRACT, CIB, and QEDIT). Is it possible to use some roughly similar interface to accept DISPLAY commands? How? Just out of curiosity, if it's not possible, does anyone know why it

GA22-7820 z/OS and z/OS.e DOC APAR and PTF ++HOLD Documentation ?

2010-08-14 Thread Jan Vanbrabant
Hi, Where can the 3 (or more) volumes of *GA22-7820-xx z/OS and z/OS.e DOC APAR and PTF ++HOLD Documentation* nowadays been found? This URL, for example, is no longer valid: http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/ZIDOCMST/CCONTENTS?DT=20100723070406 jan

Re: GA22-7820 z/OS and z/OS.e DOC APAR and PTF ++HOLD Documentation ?

2010-08-14 Thread Bob Rutledge
Jan Vanbrabant wrote: Hi, Where can the 3 (or more) volumes of *GA22-7820-xx z/OS and z/OS.e DOC APAR and PTF ++HOLD Documentation* nowadays been found? http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/Shelves/ZDOCAPAR Bob

Re: GA22-7820 z/OS and z/OS.e DOC APAR and PTF ++HOLD Documentation ?

2010-08-14 Thread Steve Horein
Unfortunately, it appears to have the same issue: Could not open the document /home/webapps/zoslib/htdocs/bookszidocmst.book or the document was not found. On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 8:48 AM, Bob Rutledge deerh...@ix.netcom.comwrote: Jan Vanbrabant wrote: Hi, Where can the 3 (or more) volumes

Re: GA22-7820 z/OS and z/OS.e DOC APAR and PTF ++HOLD Documentation ?

2010-08-14 Thread Steve Horein
Is it merely a missing path separator (/) between books and zidocmst.book? On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 9:11 AM, Steve Horein steve.hor...@gmail.comwrote: Unfortunately, it appears to have the same issue: Could not open the document /home/webapps/zoslib/htdocs/bookszidocmst.book or the document was

Does POST require a save area?

2010-08-14 Thread Peter Relson
Some variants of POST LINKAGE=BRANCH do save most registers; some do not. The authorized assembler reference is quite clear on this subject. You're right that in the most extreme case, only register 9 is preserved. Peter Relson z/OS Core Technology Design

Re: GA22-7820 z/OS and z/OS.e DOC APAR and PTF ++HOLD Documentation ?

2010-08-14 Thread Jan Vanbrabant
*Re. * *Where can the 3 (or more) volumes of *GA22-7820-xx z/OS and z/OS.e DOC APAR and PTF ++HOLD Documentation* nowadays been found? * *http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/Shelves/ZDOCAPAR*http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/Shelves/ZDOCAPAR *Bob * No

Re: GA22-7820 z/OS and z/OS.e DOC APAR and PTF ++HOLD Documentation ?

2010-08-14 Thread Bob Rutledge
Jan Vanbrabant wrote: *Re. * *Where can the 3 (or more) volumes of *GA22-7820-xx z/OS and z/OS.e DOC APAR and PTF ++HOLD Documentation* nowadays been found? *

Re: DISPLAY command for non-IBM started tasks

2010-08-14 Thread Rob Scott
Charles As far as I am aware, there is no *easy* way for you to get your software to respond to just D FOO,BAR You would have to have a subsystem and process the broadcast function code 10 (system commands). You could then intercept the command string that you seek and queue it up for your

Re: Anyone Using z10 Large Pages in anger?

2010-08-14 Thread Mark Zelden
On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 10:24:02 +0100, Graham Harris harris...@gmail.com wrote: Is anyone actively using z10 (or z196!!) Large Pages in any significant way yet? Yes. On my clients WebSphere LPARs. First we used a small LFAREA and migrated some WAS regions to 64-bit. All was fine. Then on a

Re: Anyone Using z10 Large Pages in anger?

2010-08-14 Thread Gerhard Adam
My current main concern is that once large pages are deployed, a complete memory map of real memory will no longer be possible until the missing metric(s) are added (and at what level of z/OS that would take effect/be retro-fitted). As things stand, this missing 'unused large pages' metric in

Re: Date formats

2010-08-14 Thread Bruce Richardson
What about NETTIME used by NTP (and friends). -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at

Re: RMF and disk activity questions

2010-08-14 Thread Ron Hawkins
Rex, The meaning of Time is explained quite nicely at http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/ERBZRA91/5.1.3?SH ELF=ERBZBK91DT=20091215152130. If you're having a problem reading the fine manual, it says The time the interval began, where hh is hours, mm is the minutes, and ss

Re: Does POST require a save area?

2010-08-14 Thread Charles Mills
Peter, not sure if you are replying to me or Binyamin but in any event I have absolutely no complaints with the documentation. It is eminently thorough and clear. I just had not yet read that part. The question I had been researching at this point was will I need an R13 save area? not how does

Re: DISPLAY command for non-IBM started tasks

2010-08-14 Thread Charles Mills
Hmmm. Thanks. I guess I'll stick with F server,STATS Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Rob Scott Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 10:14 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: DISPLAY command for non-IBM started

Re: Anyone Using z10 Large Pages in anger?

2010-08-14 Thread Graham Harris
It turns out the support didn't work as documented and 1M pages weren't really used for 4K when there was a shortage! After we opened a Sev 1 PMR with IBM during the problem IBM said something like well, this isn't really supported. Mark. Ouch! In my sandpit testing, I had tried to force the

Re: Does POST require a save area?

2010-08-14 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 15:50:44 -0400 Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org wrote: :Peter, not sure if you are replying to me or Binyamin but in any event I :have absolutely no complaints with the documentation. It is eminently :thorough and clear. I just had not yet read that part. The question I had

Re: RMF and disk activity questions

2010-08-14 Thread Pommier, Rex R.
Thanks, Ron. I don't know how I missed that explanation for TIME but I did. Obviously I was looking in the wrong place. As far as the disk symptoms, I agree wholeheartedly as to the cause (sibling pend). Convincing the vendor that's the problem and figuring out what to do about it are the

Re: Does POST require a save area?

2010-08-14 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 15:50:44 -0400 Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org wrote: :Peter, not sure if you are replying to me or Binyamin but in any event I :have absolutely no complaints with the documentation. It is eminently :thorough and clear. I just had not yet read that part. The question I had

Re: z/OS V1.11 and DFHSM performance (Resolveda)

2010-08-14 Thread Lizette Koehler
The problem was Top Secret. The fix from CA Top Secret corrected the storage overlay in DFHSM. Which eliminated the cpu utilization. DFHSM is behaving normally again. Lizette What I have found out so far is our Primary Space management gets started and then all of a sudden, DFHSM, is

Re: Anyone Using z10 Large Pages in anger?

2010-08-14 Thread Gerhard Adam
Thus there is a hole in the RMF metrics (unless ALL large pages are being used) covering unused large pages, and indeed, the total large pages present on the system. Actually my thought is also a so what. It seems that the other issues of 4K to 1M split and coalesce are certainly legitimate

Re: RMF and disk activity questions

2010-08-14 Thread Ron Hawkins
Rex, Perhaps an oversimplification, but if you had an IO rate of 5/sec at 200ms response time for 20 minutes, and then 500/sec and 2ms response time for 10 minutes the average response time for the whole 30 minutes would be just shy of 6ms. Avgrspms

Re: Basic question about CPU instructions

2010-08-14 Thread Timothy Sipples
I'd like to make a few comments regarding instruction performance in newer models. In no particular order: 1. Newer z/OS releases are getting progressively more efficient. You can find some quantification of that phenomenon in SHARE presentations, for example. 2. IBM has already let it be known

Re: RMF and disk activity questions

2010-08-14 Thread Pommier, Rex R.
Ron, I sure appreciate your help. The thing I neglected to mention is that when the backup isn't running, the disk is idling. We don't run 24/7 (yeah, lucky us), so when the backups are running, batch (and online) is pretty much done for the night. I'll check out the monitor 2 options

Re: DISPLAY command for non-IBM started tasks

2010-08-14 Thread Jim Mulder
IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu wrote on 08/14/2010 07:31:36 AM: Does anyone know the significance of CIBVERB = CIBSTCOM, documented as COMMAND CODE FOR STC COMMUNICATION? START command processing builds a separate CIB for each STC Communication Keyword. The STC