Re: Submit a series of jobs in order after the previous has completed

2011-04-19 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2011-04-19 07:17, Ed Gould pisze: From: Hunkeler Peter (KIUP 4)peter.hunke...@credit-suisse.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Mon, April 18, 2011 2:23:26 AM Subject: Re: Submit a series of jobs in order after the previous has completed In fact, there's

What is the point of FFST?

2011-04-19 Thread Chris Mason
This is a pair of questions asked by Radoslaw Skorupka in the RACF-L list as a musing resulting from a question being asked about FFST and SAF. It seems pointless to have the discussion continued in the RACF-L list which was actually the wrong place to be asking the original question anyhow. -

Re: Transmission files

2011-04-19 Thread Stefan Finka
Hi Radoslaw. To edit individual members you could use the System z/OS perspective within (free) IBM CICS Explorer 1.0.1.0, giving you a plain text editor. From the opposite end, if you setup the (free) ISPF wsa you can use ISPF option 2 to fire up a PC editor of your choice. Stefan

Re: When is an OSA card too busy?

2011-04-19 Thread Chris Mason
Scott Using Jumbo Frames usually increases throughput by increasing link utilization. I must be missing something here. If by improving the efficiency as defined in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet_frame you get more throughput, why is that a bad thing? It might even solve the

Re: What is the point of FFST?

2011-04-19 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2011-04-19 10:30, Chris Mason pisze: This is a pair of questions asked by Radoslaw Skorupka in the RACF-L list as a musing resulting from a question being asked about FFST and SAF. It seems pointless to have the discussion continued in the RACF-L list which was actually the wrong place

Re: When is an OSA card too busy?

2011-04-19 Thread Scott Rowe
I didn't say it was a bad thing, I was actually trying to express that they were probably already using jumbo frames if they were getting that kind of throughput. Bad choice of words. On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 6:31 AM, Chris Mason chrisma...@belgacom.netwrote: Scott Using Jumbo Frames usually

Re: What is the point of FFST?

2011-04-19 Thread Shane Ginnane
I probably shouldn't get in between you two exchanging social niceties, but I would be most surprised if *anyone* (IBM included) has used FFST in years. Have a look at the changes section of the manual for example. I thought it was a good idea when I first saw it, but it shriveled away years ago.

Re: Deleting post

2011-04-19 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Ron Thomas Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 2:23 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Deleting post Hello. I want to delete my posts from here, if so how to do the same? Thanks,

Re: Deleting post

2011-04-19 Thread Darren Evans-Young
On Tue, 19 Apr 2011, McKown, John wrote: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Ron Thomas Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 2:23 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Deleting post Hello. I want to delete my posts from here,

Re: What is the point of FFST?

2011-04-19 Thread Mark Zelden
On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 22:03:19 +1000, Shane Ginnane ibm-m...@tpg.com.au wrote: I thought it was a good idea when I first saw it, but it shriveled away years ago. Ditto. I haven't run it in 10 years and never have had a request for any FFST data from Communications Server PMRs I've opened.Of

Z196 BC ?

2011-04-19 Thread Ken Porowski
Has anyone heard when or if a z196 BC will be announced? Ken Porowski VP Mainframe Administration CIT Group E: ken.porow...@cit.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to

Re: Z196 BC ?

2011-04-19 Thread Staller, Allan
I have heard (from a well placed IBM source) there will definitely be a z/196 BC but have no date. If IBM runs true to form I would expect to see the announcement sometime in Q4 of this year snip Has anyone heard when or if a z196 BC will be announced? /snip

Re: Z196 BC ?

2011-04-19 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Staller, Allan I have heard (from a well placed IBM source) there will definitely be a z/196 BC but have no date. If IBM runs true to form I would expect to see the announcement sometime in Q4 of this year snip

Re: Submit a series of jobs in order after the previous has completed

2011-04-19 Thread Greg Shirey
Well, I don't know how anyone could answer the how many question, but my shop has such a job class. It is class S; only one initiator is defined to run class S jobs. It is understood here amongst those who submit jobs that their jobs will single-thread in class S. I have reminded people

Re: When is an OSA card too busy?

2011-04-19 Thread Hal Merritt
Network traffic is not a good metric for 'throughput' in my opinion. 'Throughput' might best be expressed in the time needed to move a data byte end to end. A 'network' byte could be data, overhead, or the silence between packets. And the time to move a data byte end to end doubles for each

Re: Z196 BC ?

2011-04-19 Thread Pommier, Rex R.
We're hoping for one too, but why Q4? If IBM were to run true to form, they should be announcing it any day now. Here's why I say this: Z9-EC announced July 2005, shipped Sept. Z9-BC available April 06, 9 months after EC announcement. Z10-EC available Feb 2008, BC available Oct 08, 8 months

Re: CPU utilization/forecasting

2011-04-19 Thread Ward, Mike S
That many MSU's with multiple processors will only help if you can use multiple CP's people have shot themselves in the foot going from 1 processor at 50 MSU's to 3 processors giving 75 MSU's. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf

Re: CPU utilization/forecasting

2011-04-19 Thread Ward, Mike S
Where can I get those papers? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Ron Hawkins Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 12:59 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: CPU utilization/forecasting Mike, There's 30 years of Papers and

Re: CPU utilization/forecasting

2011-04-19 Thread Ward, Mike S
OOPS sorry spoke to soon. I see that you mentioned where down below. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Ron Hawkins Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 12:59 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: CPU utilization/forecasting

Re: CPU utilization/forecasting

2011-04-19 Thread Ted MacNEIL
I would say that if it were not for MSU based billing, everybody would be happy with just getting a new CP and having the excess just sitting around. In this case, the upgrade cost would only be the cost of a CP. But with tiered software costs, adding a new CP has financial considerations beyond

Re: CPU utilization/forecasting

2011-04-19 Thread Ted MacNEIL
I would say that if it were not for MSU based billing, everybody would be happy with just getting a new CP and having the excess just sitting around. In this case, the upgrade cost would only be the cost of a CP. But with tiered software costs, adding a new CP has financial considerations beyond

Re: CPU utilization/forecasting

2011-04-19 Thread Ted MacNEIL
There's 30 years of Papers and discussions on how to do Capacity Planning for MVS. I would think there should be more than 30. I started doing it in 1981, and it was already an established discipline. - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Twitter: @TedMacNEIL

Re: CPU utilization/forecasting

2011-04-19 Thread Ed Finnell
Candle used to put out a tuning newsletter to customers that was excellent. Xephon and Enterprise Systems Journal were also good sources. The IBM Redbooks are also real world experiences. Cheryl Watson still has her stuff at _www.watsonwalker.com_ (http://www.watsonwalker.com) There are

Re: Deleting post

2011-04-19 Thread Ron Thomas
Hi, Please delete the post mentioned below from the list. IMS Restart Issue Ron Thomas ron5...@gmail.com Mon, 18 Apr 2011 10:46:59 -0500 75 lines Regards Ron -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access

DB2 V9 Vs V10

2011-04-19 Thread Sumit S Sharma
Hello all, Our shop is currently running DB2 V8 for zOS.We are planning for an upgrade.However, we are into delema whether to go V8 to V9 upgrade or skip V9 and go directly to V10 from V8. Please,let me know what can be the possible issues or pros n cons if this skip of V9? regards, sumit.

Re: DB2 V9 Vs V10

2011-04-19 Thread Bob Shannon
we are into delema whether to go V8 to V9 upgrade or skip V9 and go directly to V10 from V8. Please,let me know what can be the possible issues or pros n cons if this skip of V9? From my DB2 guy: There three ways to look at this: 1) Migration paths, 2) code quality, 3) COO (Cost of

Re: Submit a series of jobs in order after the previous has completed

2011-04-19 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2011-04-19 16:35, Greg Shirey pisze: Well, I don't know how anyone could answer the how many question, but my shop has such a job class. It is class S; only one initiator is defined to run class S jobs. It is understood here amongst those who submit jobs that their jobs will

Re: Submit a series of jobs in order after the previous has completed

2011-04-19 Thread Dave Barry
The basic framework involves a control PDS with members named specifically after each jobname. The member is deleted in the first step, then created just before the step which submits the job's successor (conditioned upon successful completion of the real business steps). The first step of

Re: Submit a series of jobs in order after the previous has completed

2011-04-19 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 18:20:51 -0400, Dave Barry wrote: The basic framework involves a control PDS with members named specifically after each jobname. The member is deleted in the first step, then created just before the step which submits the job's successor (conditioned upon successful

Re: CPU utilization/forecasting

2011-04-19 Thread Dave Barry
Mike, I think the term peak is ambiguous. Does that mean the highest average utilization? You can get an average and maximum for a given time interval from RMF. Correct RMF interval size can be somewhat subjective, but the problem is not having the distribution of samples to plot the

Re: CPU utilization/forecasting

2011-04-19 Thread Ron Hawkins
Ted, There may well be, but I've only been reading them for the last twenty five years myself. For my niche, most work prior to MVS/XA was updated soon after its introduction because of the changes to IO path queuing and measurement that XA ushered in around the time I started down this path.

Re: CPU utilization/forecasting

2011-04-19 Thread Ted MacNEIL
There may well be, but I've only been reading them for the last twenty five years myself. For my niche, most work prior to MVS/XA was updated soon after its introduction because of the changes to IO path queuing and measurement that XA ushered in around the time I started down this path. Now,

Re: What is the point of FFST?

2011-04-19 Thread Ed Finnell
There were some pretty nasty outages late 80's and early nineties of Networks. Think GM had moved all their traffic to another building and CPU for VSCR and the 'Net' site got hit by a tornado. Maybe it's a hold over from times gone buy In a message dated 4/19/2011 8:02:19 A.M.

Re: DB2 V9 Vs V10

2011-04-19 Thread Chris Mason
Sumit I would have thought you would be wanting to post on a more specific list, in this case, the DB-L list: http://www.idug.org/cgi-bin/wa?A0=DB2-L It would be irresponsible to direct you to a moribund list so I checked. It is quite active. Chris Mason On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 13:37:26 -0700,

OT but an interesting read for MVS system Programmers

2011-04-19 Thread Ed Gould
http://www.networkworld.com/supp/2011//041811-windows-7-crashes.html This article is a How to for taking dumps and other debugging activity on a windows machine. I do not know if I want to laugh or cry. Ed -- For IBM-MAIN

Re: Submit a series of jobs in order after the previous has completed

2011-04-19 Thread Ed Gould
Greg: The S initiator is probably not what the user rerquested (although it may/may not work) If job a at the end submits job b in the same jobclass chances are it (1 init) will work. The issue I have seen trying to do this if there can be multiple jobs (of different JES2 priority) in the S q

Re: DB2 V9 Vs V10

2011-04-19 Thread Anthony Thompson
Majorly, DB2 V10 offloads more work to ZiiPs. If you are on some sort of usage licence, you should see reduced CPU and software costs (allegedly, on the order of 5-10%). See here... http://www.databasejournal.com/features/db2/article.php/3869096/IBM-DB2-10-for-zOS-Justifying-the-Upgrade.htm

Re: OT but an interesting read for MVS system Programmers

2011-04-19 Thread Sam Siegel
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 8:37 PM, Ed Gould ps2...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.networkworld.com/supp/2011//041811-windows-7-crashes.html This article is a How to for taking dumps and other debugging activity on a windows machine. I do not know if I want to laugh or cry. I'm not fan of MS

Re: DB2 V9 Vs V10

2011-04-19 Thread Timothy Sipples
There are performance improvements in DB2 10 which many people appreciate, so that's another great reason to get up to 10. I don't speak for the company, but I think IBM's general advice is that if you're underway with a V9 upgrade, get it done and keep going. If you haven't even started planning

Re: Submit a series of jobs in order after the previous has completed

2011-04-19 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 14:54 -0500 on 04/15/2011, Rick Fochtman wrote about Re: Submit a series of jobs in order after the previous has: One additional thing: go to the CBTTAPE.ORG site and find a program named COMMAND. This will allow you to submit a separate job, whereever you wish in the stream, to issue the

Re: Submit a series of jobs in order after the previous has completed

2011-04-19 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 09:23 +0200 on 04/18/2011, Hunkeler Peter (KIUP 4) wrote about Re: Submit a series of jobs in order after the previous has: In fact, there's no guarantee they'll run in the order submitted. Depends on the JES setup. Many shops probably still have a serialization job class in place, a job