HI,
Many new users ( and testers ) to MFNetDisk, much better new code for all
MFNetDisk features.
Better replication, tape and disk emulation, and much better MFNetDisk
recovery process.
All messages about new fixes and features are sent directly to MFNetDisk
users list.
To register and be
You are right, I didn't notice before, it only applies for VSAM.
Then the limit is 255 extents per component, and you can remove this limit
using the Extent constraint removal (put a value of YES in it)
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 4:15 AM, ibmnew ibm...@163.com wrote:
Dear
Add'l Volume
Tony asks:
Are you asking what people are currently using, or what they
might like to see?
The former, for the most part. But the latter is also interesting. Speaking
of which, has anyone tried to compile the mined editor for z/OS UNIX
System Services? That particular editor claims to be a
Some thoughts and comments from my side. More may follow.
2) Lower level APIs (assembler or other HLLs)
These are used to implement (1).
Just about any program / job can call these or (1), and the first
time it does it gets dubbed (8) with a z/OS Unix PID and can use
the
W dniu 2011-04-29 17:14, Mike Schwab pisze:
[...]
As long as you work at a shop with a licensed z/OS, you do have the
right to test on a box of your choice, or for DR testing.
Playing with z/OS or learning it is not DR testing.
I wish there would be free z/OS for hobbyist use, but currently
Dear all
In our shop we don't have any tapelib.
Do you need to implement HSM ?
Any suggestions is greatly appreciated!
Thanks a lot!
Jason Cai
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Are there any extensions modules for PHP for z/OS ?
We would like to use socket_create()function, so we need php_sockets.so
Is it possible to get this module ?
... or maybe some other possibilities ?
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W dniu 2011-04-29 16:45, Mark Zelden pisze:
[...]
I should tell you to RTFM, but I like you. :-)
It means to consider all the specified zones when doing the REJECT - so it
is an AND condition. If only one zone was specified, it would only look
at that one zone and could delete a PTF from the
Hi,
we still have a little bit of room for both workshops.
It will basically be a rerun of the Best of IMS Java workshop run as part
of the AD Days in Ehningen.
That differs from the agenda posted on the IBM web page:
See the description for Track 6:
In our shop we don't have any tapelib.
Do you need to implement HSM ?
Any suggestions is greatly appreciated!
Jason, I think the answer will be it depends'.
First DFSMShsm does not have to have tape. I have seen shops run DFSMShsm
with only dasd.
But, what is your shop's
W dniu 2011-04-30 06:47, Linda Mooney pisze:
As can be seen from the replies, there are different approaches for handling
the PTS. In my shop, when a z/OS release is installed, the PTS is placed on a
volume where it will have plenty of room. For the life of the install, PTFs
are not purged
All of the responses have been right on target.
A few additional notes
As of z/OS 1.12, you can issue DISPLAY IPLINFO,sysparm and it will show
you the value that was used for that system parameter. For example,
DISPLAY IPLINFO,LPA
might show
IEE255I SYSTEM PARAMETER 'LPA': 00
The LPALST data
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Sequence numbers provide convenient tags for
An IBM instructor recently passed on this link on another list, and it
seemed appropriate to pass on here for those with interest.
http://systemzjobs.com
According to him, it's sponsored by IBM but run by someone else.
It looks like it's primary purpose is a job board specifically for
On Wed, 4 May 2011 15:46:53 +0800, Timothy Sipples wrote:
The former, for the most part. But the latter is also interesting. Speaking
of which, has anyone tried to compile the mined editor for z/OS UNIX
System Services? That particular editor claims to be a stand-out for
Unicode support on
On Wed, 4 May 2011 17:45:01 +0800, ibmnew wrote:
In our shop we don't have any tapelib.
Do you need to implement HSM ?
In fact, IBM early proposed HSM as an alternative to tape
libraries, asserting that careful configuration of HSM should
reduce mount traffic to a point that manual mounts
The D IPLINFO,LPA and others is great but it would be even better if
that was something you could use to display all settings at once with
an ALL option or *.
This will keep me from chasing the chain from LOADXX to parmlib to
IEASYSXX all the time. Thanks for the information.
If you specify the ,L at the end most of the parms have a list option. At
least it will give you a record in syslog of what you chose.
Rob Schramm
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 9:44 AM, Casey Rhodes crho...@tsys.com wrote:
The D IPLINFO,LPA and others is great but it would be even better if
that
When a Flashcopy of volumes are done and commands are sent to DFhsm to DUMP
the all the flashed volumes, how do I recover a lost dataset. I honestly
thought that DFhsm would know that this procedure was done and it would use
the flashed copy to recover the dataset, but when I use ISMF to either
On Wed, 4 May 2011 09:07:15 -0400, Farley, Peter wrote:
The first thing I do these days when editing a program for maintenance
is UNNUM. I edit on TN3270E 50x132 almost all the time, and I find
that the visual clutter of sequence numbers is far too visually confusing.
I use a wide display
Hello,
Does anyone have an explanation of why this service returns different
capacity figures for the partition if z/OS is running under VM from when
running natively.
Thanks
Steve
The following is taken from the z/OS V1R9.0 MVS Authorized Assembler
Services Reference
QvsCecCapacity,
I would like to edit such files with ISPF, if it had a the ability to do so.
The only tools that I have to edit Unicode files are Windows tools -
NOTEPAD and WORDPAD. I can access almost any z/OS Unix file from Windows
because DFS is sharing them.
FWIW, IBM publications now use the current terminology: z/OS UNIX
System Services (z/OS UNIX). This is not a discussion of the
commonly used yet disputed TLA. Please.
Go to the z/OS V1.12 doc site and do a search on USS over all books
(some 370+), be surprised and be amused.
You could give http://gccmvs.sourceforge.net/ a shot.
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote:
On Wed, 4 May 2011 15:46:53 +0800, Timothy Sipples wrote:
The former, for the most part. But the latter is also interesting. Speaking
of which, has anyone tried to
You could implement the Small Dataset packing (small migrated datasets
stored in a vsam file) and compress to disk the larger migrated
datasets. This would reduce your utilization but would require some
dedicated volumes.
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote:
Peter,
Thanks for your earlier info and corrections.
But everyone, PLEASE resist more discussions of the TLA on this thread.
Re: BPXOINIT - do you find it surprising that in z/OS Unix that all
processes don't inherit from pid=1 ? This is a PITA, since the
environment variables established by
On 5/4/2011 8:52 AM, Rob Schramm wrote:
If you specify the ,L at the end most of the parms have a list option. At
least it will give you a record in syslog of what you chose.
You might not want to do this on the MSTRJCL parm, IIRC it will cause
the JCL and messages for all started tasks to be
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Tom Marchant m42tom-ibmm...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Wed, 4 May 2011 09:07:15 -0400, Farley, Peter wrote:
The first thing I do these days when editing a program for maintenance
is UNNUM. I edit on TN3270E 50x132 almost all the time, and I find
that the visual clutter
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 9:17 AM, Steve Austin steve.aus...@macro4.com wrote:
Hello,
Does anyone have an explanation of why this service returns different
capacity figures for the partition if z/OS is running under VM from when
running natively.
Thanks
Steve
The overhead of running z/VM
It can be a bit much to go thru.. but it also is a powerful record of what
has been setup and what JCL is run... which is helpful when dealing with
goofy problems that seem to be doing their best to hide.
Rob Schramm
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Richard L Peurifoy r-peuri...@neo.tamu.edu
When you do the FlashCopy yourself like this, then HSM doesn't know that it
is a backup of PTST00, so he doesn't look to this backup to restore a
dataset on PTST00. It looks to me like you should be using FRBACKUP for
this, so that it is HSM that is doing the FlashCopy, and he knows what the
On 5/2/2011 at 08:46 AM, Crabtree, Anne D anne.d.crabt...@wv.gov wrote:
In z/VM, the chips appear fine, defined as FCP with devices attached and
FREE. I'm not sure what else I can do from the mainframe side to help the
situation? HELP!
Have you tried attaching a device number to one of
FWIW, I have always considered a use of USS as a name for a UNIX system as
ugly.
Especially for z/OS. Would in such a case prefer something like ZUNIX,
UNIZ
or ZUX ;).
Regards,
Thomas Berg
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In listserv%201105031010589557.0...@bama.ua.edu, on 05/03/2011
at 10:10 AM, Mark Zelden m...@mzelden.com said:
But I think your last part I quoted is probably closer. People
don't say under USS when they use FTP or Telnet for example,
Which people? I certainly consider FTP and telnet in
In
dc74548a025aff4a85f46926802a9b23063d2...@chsa1035.share.beluni.net,
on 05/04/2011
at 10:08 AM, Hunkeler Peter (KIUP 4)
peter.hunke...@credit-suisse.com said:
The OMVS TSO command processor had its rights in the nineties; it is
obsolete today. Its a PITA. People having a need to work with
In 4dc13f61.4090...@bremultibank.com.pl, on 05/04/2011
at 01:58 PM, R.S. r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl said:
3. Last, but not least: sometimes ACCEPT is simply required.
Sometimes a product reads from DLIB libraries.
Normally that's from a macro library and including MTS in SYSLIB takes
care
In listserv%201105031805358294.1...@bama.ua.edu, on 05/03/2011
at 06:05 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said:
CDC did this, sort of.
Il va sans dire ;-)
At least in the systems that I saw on th 6400; I'm not sure what they
used on the 3600.
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In listserv%201105040857073272.0...@bama.ua.edu, on 05/04/2011
at 08:57 AM, Tom Marchant m42tom-ibmm...@yahoo.com said:
I use a wide display too. With NUMBER ON, the sequence numbers are
not displayed.
?
Are you perhaps thinking of BROWSE? EDIT and VIEW displayed sequence
numbers when the
AHHH, speak French to me Tish.
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On Wed, 4 May 2011 09:07:15 -0400, Farley, Peter wrote:
The first
In
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on 05/04/2011
at 09:07 AM, Farley, Peter x23353 peter.far...@broadridge.com
said:
I disagree. The existence and intelligent use of labeled blocks of
code (paragraphs and sections in COBOL, Procedures in PL/1, labels
Scott,
So to paraphrase what you're saying, if I use FRBACKUP to perform the
Flashcopy then I use the DFhsm commands to backup the FRBACKUP volumes,
DFhsm will know that the backup is on flash copied backup. It that correct?
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By intelligent use do you mean plcing labels that
Thomas
According to Steve Comstock, you are here on the side of the angels. But let
us speak of it quietly! There's one contributor responding to another posts of
Steve's where he saw something funny in the contraction from z/OS UNIX to
zUNIX - oddly unexplained - who lost a part of his
Rex
It would be best for everybody involved to simply make sure that their
usage of the acronym isn't ambiguous.
In principle, I could agree. However, how do you make sure that there is no
ambiguity when so often contributors seeking guidance have seen only the
incorrect use and maybe never
Bob
I call it USS when referring to VTAM, and Z/unix when referring to OE.
Just about quite right with two qualifications:
1. The VTAM reference needs to include the TN3270 server use where VTAM
is involved only in supplying the macros from which the table used by the
TN3270 server is built.
Scott
I would like to know which use is the most offensive to the largest number
of people. That's the one I will start using most.
That has to be the most sensible post
Of course this is utter nonsense - and I hope Ed's contribution was a twisted
joke!
Chris Mason
On Mon, 2 May 2011
Don
We are not dealing with a language - that would be another campaign such as
getting rid of the stupid misuse of issue or issues for problem. We are
dealing with explaining technical matters where there is an opportunity for
ambiguity if we don't stick to universally understood, accepted
Ed
I would have thought you would have understood the position from my earlier
post.
IBM should IMO do a 360 and say USS means unformatted system services.
IBM should stay exactly where it is, veer not one degree off course, and stick
to the following - which I obviously have to post in full
Scott
... the SNA 3270 days to be exact.
Well, not quite as exact as it might be. SNA devices supporting human end
users - as opposed to SNA devices supporting programs - needed some
technique for composing the three data elements needed for the SSCP
(VTAM) to initiate a session. This
Ted
I don't believe it's an OOPS.
In principle, you are correct. As John Eells told us in that post I quoted and
I'm sure you will have seen, your misuse is *not* sanctioned by IBM.
If IBMers are guilty of your misuse, they are just that, guilty of misuse - but
I
don't expect they will be
Frank
Just to unnecessarily add fuel to the fire, ...
Unfortunately, this thread got established without a proper indication to the
thread which inspired it and so your unnecessary[1] may or may not be
paying homage to what I had already indicated in the title of that thread An
unnecessary
David
Just sitting back, eating my popcorn on this one ...
I'd hate to disappoint you - and thanks for what I eventually discovered was
concern for my health.
... Hopefully Chris doesnt have a Chest grabber
Chest grabber is not an universal synonym for a heart attack but, when
Chris,
I would successfully argue that the universally understood, accepted and
mandated expressions is a bit wide and not at all in synch with reality.
If it were universal, we would never be having these discussions.
Wednesday and still Cheery,
Rob Schramm
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 2:16 PM,
John
Actually Hursley - eventual home of CICS - has my prize for the case of a non-
native product having the most useful description of something which the
product did not own. There may be better instances - and if so they would
be rare - but this one is mine.
Just to try to keep up my
On Wed, 4 May 2011 18:33:27 +0200, Thomas Berg thomas.b...@swedbank.se wrote:
FWIW, I have always considered a use of USS as a name for a UNIX system as
ugly.
Especially for z/OS. Would in such a case prefer something like ZUNIX,
UNIZ
or ZUX ;).
How soon we forget. Openedition existed for
See post to John Chase - or perhaps not if you want to continue to have a
good day.
Chris Mason
On Wed, 4 May 2011 10:29:48 +0200, Hunkeler Peter (KIUP 4)
peter.hunke...@credit-suisse.com wrote:
Just to unnecessarily add fuel to the fire, the following is a CICS
SIT
parameter:
USSHOME
The
On Wed, 4 May 2011 12:48:14 -0400, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net wrote:
In listserv%201105031010589557.0...@bama.ua.edu, on 05/03/2011
at 10:10 AM, Mark Zelden m...@mzelden.com said:
But I think your last part I quoted is probably closer. People
don't say under USS
I can say, definitely yes, that a device was attached to the linux guest, but
since I don't do the Linux stuff, can't answer the HBA question.
Unfortunately, linux person out till May 15!
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On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Mark Zelden m...@mzelden.com wrote:
On Wed, 4 May 2011 12:48:14 -0400, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net wrote:
In listserv%201105031010589557.0...@bama.ua.edu, on 05/03/2011
at 10:10 AM, Mark Zelden m...@mzelden.com said:
But I think your
Rob
Are we ready to let this thread die?
Since the OP has already said thank you and moved on, there is no real need
still to continue with this thread.
If you mean Are we ready to let the topic which emerged from this thread
and which has spawned other threads die?, very probably not while
Don
It seems to me that the big argument here is that once an acronym is used
for one thing it may never, ever be used for any other purpose else mass
confusion will result, ...
Not will result but rather has resulted. If there was a time where one use
was appropriate which has disappeared
I have been reading a new(?) book called Real World IBM z Stories.
It talks specifically about companies (with names) of system z success stories.
It also talks about 3 univesities that teach OS's that run on System z.
I got my copy on AMAZON, it is approx 168 pages of really good stories about
Dave
I've repeated an example of why it matters to Don Grinsell.
I thought it might be interesting to dig out another case. In fact, I see now
it's the same person still bemused by hearing the misuse so often and getting
confused in a way other than that other example:
quote
I have the
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Chris Mason chrisma...@belgacom.net wrote:
Ed
deleted
http://www-01.ibm.com/software/globalization/terminology/u.html#x2042481
deleted]
On this page it has 2 definitions of note:
1. UNIX System Services
An element of z/OS that creates a UNIX environment that
I know we were using these
http://www.cs.kuleuven.be/museum/varian/teletype-E.html
teletypes well into the 1990s. By 1984 they were being used as
printers only attached to a modem, 16*64 green screen, and keyboard
unit.
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Chris Mason chrisma...@belgacom.net wrote:
On Wed, 4 May 2011 13:29:03 -0500, Mark Zelden m...@mzelden.com wrote:
On Wed, 4 May 2011 18:33:27 +0200, Thomas Berg thomas.b...@swedbank.se wrote:
FWIW, I have always considered a use of USS as a name for a UNIX system as
ugly.
Especially for z/OS. Would in such a case prefer something like
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 1:29 PM, Mark Zelden m...@mzelden.com wrote:
On Wed, 4 May 2011 18:33:27 +0200, Thomas Berg thomas.b...@swedbank.se
wrote:
FWIW, I have always considered a use of USS as a name for a UNIX system as
ugly.
Especially for z/OS. Would in such a case prefer something like
On Wed, 4 May 2011 13:28:30 -0500, Chris Mason chrisma...@belgacom.net wrote:
Mark - who clearly hasn't cleaned the egg off yet[1]
Please try and keep this professional. I have no idea what
you are referring to, but it doesn't add to the discussion.
IBM didn't misuse it.
Wrong!
The
Good discussion. As OP, I was hoping for some consensus that Under
z/OS Unix or Under USS are not very useful terms since most people
don't recognize them as meaning any dubbed z/OS Unix process.
Under a z/OS Unix shell or program in a zFS filesystem are closer
to what most people see to think
On Wed, 4 May 2011 13:23:24 -0400, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:
In listserv%201105040857073272.0...@bama.ua.edu, on 05/04/2011
at 08:57 AM, Tom Marchant m42tom-ibmm...@yahoo.com said:
I use a wide display too. With NUMBER ON, the sequence numbers are
not displayed.
Are you perhaps
In listserv%201105031428549899.1...@bama.ua.edu, on 05/03/2011
at 02:28 PM, Mark Zelden m...@mzelden.com said:
IBM didn't misuse it. The description of the parm used official
(ahem) IBM terminology.
John Eels said otherwise, and he's in a position to know.
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Shmuel (Seymour J.)
Yes, though I don't know about using command backup, I usually use HSM
autodump. However, use of FRBACKUP will require a certain amount of setup,
so it is not appropriate for ad-hoc uses.
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 1:33 PM, George Rodriguez
george.rodrig...@palmbeachschools.org wrote:
Scott,
So
Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:
John Eels said otherwise, and he's in a position to know.
Eells.
Bob
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_AIX
IBM wrote TSS/370 in 1980 then VM/IX then AIX/370 in 1988 then AIX/ESA
until 1999 when it merged into MVS/ESA Open Edition.
tss/360 was done in the 60s (official system for 360/67) ... was
decommited and lived
I've already started the investigation on how to get the job done and you're
right, it's not a small task.
I appreciate the information.
Thanks,
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proper use of mgmtclas/storclas can save a whole lot of dasd and prevents the
need to clean up garbage on a regular basis.
--- On Wed, 5/4/11, ibmnew ibm...@163.com wrote:
From: ibmnew ibm...@163.com
Subject: Do we need to implement HSM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Date: Wednesday, May 4,
Maybe its time to have two lists - one for Pedantic or Historical
Discussions (POHD) , and one for Useful Technical Exchange (UTE)
(sorry if these acronyms are taken, I fully expect this thread to
blossom to discuss improper usage :-)
A rough count of recent traffic on the USS TLA yields well
A least the change in subject got me to read it Kirk ;-)
It's a pity the list doesn't support (per subscriber) blacklisting
threads/contributors *at the server*.
Would save an awful lot of bandwidth.
ISTR an OT group was set up a while back. Doesn't seem to have helped.
Shane ...
Right .. can't our moderator stop this crep?
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Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: POHD: vs UTE (was: USS vs USS)
A least the change in subject got me
Kirk
The change of subject is to try to respect your perceived intentions with this
thread.
Your - at first glance - rather ridiculous and inaccurate new thread I will
deal
with if I am saved. Meantime I'll get off what I have noted already.
-
I'm finally paying attention to this thread,
Potentially a question also for the list moderator
... .. can't our moderator stop this crep?
In what respect is avoiding ambiguity in posts and products crep - whatever
that is - and of no relevance to IBM-MAIN?
Chris Mason
On Wed, 4 May 2011 20:24:40 -0400, Graham Hobbs
gho...@cdpwise.net
Kirk
Before I address this ridiculous post directly, let me remind you how we got
here.
Ted MacNeil decided to make the claim that something that was wrong was
right. Unchallenged your to be nurtured newbies might get the impression
that he was indeed right and so they might continue in all
The Swiss gentleman will not be reading this so this is for any interested in
the topic
-
The supposed great one is the description of a message, EZD1353I, in which
the second S of a use of the dread 3 characters is missing. Swiss humour
rises to heights not found in other places!
-
It was
Dear all
proper use of mgmtclas/storclas can save a whole lot of dasd and prevents the
need to clean up garbage on a regular basis.
Our Situation :Our shop don't have DASD enough(no tapelib) and the
application programer always allocate very bigger datasets.
PS and VSAM are almost
Releasing space at close can be handled in the management class by
specifying Partial release with Yes Immediate (YI) or Conditional Immediate
(CI) if you want to ensure that data sets have secondary allocation before
the space is released. This does not require the space management function
---SNIP
Our Situation :Our shop don't have DASD enough(no tapelib) and the
application
programer always allocate very bigger datasets.
PS and VSAM are almost extended format data sets.
We want to
1.Release unused and
Ed,
(with DFHSM) all the old datasets. The data was there for recall. Although
I
did
find a VSAM data set that was empty and it spanned 5 volumes and haddn't
been
referenced in many many months. I archived it and clipped the volumes and
out
[Ron Hawkins] I'm a little surprised to hear that an
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