Re: What is the current feeling for MVC loop vs. MVCL?

2011-06-01 Thread Jim Mulder
>>> Obviously you can have "fast clear" for objects with lengths that >>> 256-multiple using n*XC - however I have often wished for a >>> ZERO=YES option on the CPOOL BUILD so that you are guaranteed a >>> clean cell for each subsequent CPOOL GET. If anyone else agrees, I >>> might consider ra

Re: What is the current feeling for MVC loop vs. MVCL?

2011-06-01 Thread Gerhard Postpischil
On 6/1/2011 5:21 PM, Robert A. Rosenberg wrote: If the CPOOL spanned one or more 4K aligned pages, then a ZERO=YES could zero the area before and after the 4K block and just set the virtual page table entries for the block to be a read-only dedicated pre-zero'ed page. I seem to have the impressio

Re: Delete Sub directory under /Service

2011-06-01 Thread saurabh khandelwal
I mean, when we define any variable in USS using SET command ( Like *SET $SYSNAMEXYZ*), then in which file system store these values. As of now I just want to see that what are all variable has been defined currently in USS. Regards Saurabh On 6/1/2011 10:38 PM, Neubert, Kev

Re: XMIT INMR01 record question

2011-06-01 Thread Ed Gould
Gil: In those cases (very few) which the data set names were "secure" What I did (for FB type ds) was to use a utility that created in iebupdte form the entire PDS. No dataset name was disclosed (you basically /*xmit the job to the other end and create the dataset with iebupdte on the other e

Re: What is the current feeling for MVC loop vs. MVCL?

2011-06-01 Thread David Crayford
It's not just OOO that gives optimized compilers an advantage over manually crafted assembler. It's been true since zArchitecture that to write highly effecient code one needs knowledge of the pipeline There was a redbook when the zArch machines z/800 z/900 came out that mentions the non-sequent

Automatic reply: IBM-MAIN Digest - 31 May 2011 to 1 Jun 2011 (#2011-152)

2011-06-01 Thread David Magee
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Re: We list every company in the world that has a mainframe computer

2011-06-01 Thread Ed Gould
Ed: I am pretty sure that is not definitive (but it is good). One issue that it is hard to pin down is that some companies on the list have multiple sites (most of the banks come to my mind). There were more than a few missing in the VISA,MC area and of course almost no US Government were liste

Re: We list every company in the world that has a mainframe computer

2011-06-01 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>LOL! Contribute or don't. Who cares? The way I see things, if it annoys you it has already proven it's value. :-D That was never my concern! I'm not annoyed. I just don't see the value of any list that not all can contribute to. A voluntary census is meaningless. We just had an issue regardin

Re: What is the current feeling for MVC loop vs. MVCL?

2011-06-01 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 12:32 -0400 on 06/01/2011, Jim Mulder wrote about Re: What is the current feeling for MVC loop vs. MVCL?: > Obviously you can have "fast clear" for objects with lengths that 256-multiple using n*XC - however I have often wished for a ZERO=YES option on the CPOOL BUILD so that you are gu

Re: We list every company in the world that has a mainframe computer

2011-06-01 Thread Edward Jaffe
On 6/1/2011 7:11 PM, Ted MacNEIL wrote: Fine! But, it's a wiki! Bad title was my point. Wiki is not a good thing to base anything on. And, I have so many non-disclosures I've signed, that I cannot contribute. Plus, I have a Canadian Federal Government Security Clearance that I will not compro

Re: +DFHAP0001 CICS An abend (code 0C4/AKEA) has occurred at offset X'FFFFFFFF'

2011-06-01 Thread Gerhard Postpischil
On 6/1/2011 6:49 PM, John Weber wrote: What is a common cause of this abend involving an application program? Thank you... Programmer error. Gerhard Postpischil Bradford, VT -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive acc

Re: We list every company in the world that has a mainframe computer

2011-06-01 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>Dude, did you even read it? . It's a wiki. The whole point is for the >mainframe community to create/update its own list. Geez. Fine! But, it's a wiki! Bad title was my point. Wiki is not a good thing to base anything on. And, I have so many non-disclosures I've signed, that I cannot contribut

Re: We list every company in the world that has a mainframe computer

2011-06-01 Thread Edward Jaffe
On 6/1/2011 6:50 PM, Ted MacNEIL wrote: No they don't! They missed all the Canadian banks, two federal ministries (Canadian), an Ontario ministry, the Canadian Stock Clearing Corporation, and two Canadian out-sourcers (including IGS, Canada)! That's without even thinking hard. Need I continue?

Re: We list every company in the world that has a mainframe computer

2011-06-01 Thread Ted MacNEIL
No they don't! They missed all the Canadian banks, two federal ministries (Canadian), an Ontario ministry, the Canadian Stock Clearing Corporation, and two Canadian out-sourcers (including IGS, Canada)! That's without even thinking hard. Need I continue? - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Twitte

We list every company in the world that has a mainframe computer

2011-06-01 Thread Edward Jaffe
http://mainframes.wikidot.com/ -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 310-338-0400 x318 edja...@phoenixsoftware.com http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN sub

Re: APF Authorization

2011-06-01 Thread Lizette Koehler
> > >Hi friends! > > >Can anyone suggest a reason why a job runs fine with APF authorized > > loadlibs > > >when the actual files are used, but fails as unauthorized when using > > >a dataset alias? APF shows the correct file on the correct volume, > > >and I > > know > > >that I do not need to ad

+DFHAP0001 CICS An abend (code 0C4/AKEA) has occurred at offset X'FFFFFFFF'

2011-06-01 Thread John Weber
What is a common cause of this abend involving an application program? Thank you... +DFHAP0001 CICS An abend (code 0C4/AKEA) has occurred at offset X'' in module VALIDIN9. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff

Re: Z/os FTP Server Configurartion

2011-06-01 Thread Starr, Alan
Hal, I should have read the title of your post :D. Then I'd know that you're using the z/OS server. After establishing the FTP session, type the following SITEEPSV4 LOCSITE EPSV4 I can't guarantee that the LOCSITE command will work on the FTP client you're using. EPSV4 is the IBM keywor

Re: Z/os FTP Server Configurartion

2011-06-01 Thread Starr, Alan
Hal, If the FTP Server is a z/OS FTP server, then I don't believe there is such a thing but I'm not sure that I completely understand your situation. The usual problem is that the "port" command (which passes along the FTP "control" session) contains an IP address and the Server/Client sending

CN=Joe Lenzini/OU=AHM/OU=AM/O=HONDA is out of the office.

2011-06-01 Thread Joe Lenzini
I will be out of the office starting 06/01/2011 and will not return until 06/05/2011. I will be out of the office until Monday, June 6. For DB2 issues that need to be addressed before then, please contact Taka Yokota at 1-2432

Z/os FTP Server Configurartion

2011-06-01 Thread Hal Merritt
One of my network guys says that some servers allow the coding of a different IP address to be used in the handshake. Normally, FTP in passive mode sends the host IP address and port number for the client to use. This is useless if there is a NAT'ing firewall in the path. My guy claims that you

Re: Specification exception CDS

2011-06-01 Thread Tony Harminc
On 1 June 2011 16:34, Micheal Butz wrote: > Pops states one of the programming exceptions for CDS is specification > exception could that be the result of operand 2 not being on a doubleword > boundry Yes it does, with a somewhat different arrangement of the words. Tony H. -

Re: APF Authorization

2011-06-01 Thread Tony Harminc
On 1 June 2011 16:43, Hal Merritt wrote: > This sounds like an application issue, not z/os. That is, whatever test the > application is using for APF'ness isn't working correctly. It is application whose authors are exceptionally devoted to obfuscation or even plain stupidity that tests for APF'

Re: APF Authorization

2011-06-01 Thread Charles Mills
A wild guess is that the vendor software is using the MVS TESTAUTH macro which is about the simplest API in z/OS. My guess is that TESTAUTH is telling the truth, i.e., the program is not authorized, probably for the reason suggested by an earlier respondent: the specified alias name does not match

Re: APF Authorization

2011-06-01 Thread Hal Merritt
This sounds like an application issue, not z/os. That is, whatever test the application is using for APF'ness isn't working correctly. What does the vendor say? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Donald Johnson Sent: Wedn

Specification exception CDS

2011-06-01 Thread Micheal Butz
Pops states one of the programming exceptions for CDS is specification exception could that be the result of operand 2 not being on a doubleword boundry Sent from my iPhone -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive acces

Re: APF Authorization

2011-06-01 Thread Bob Shannon
Just guessing, but APF is simply a list of libraries and volsers etc. If you call the library by another name it won't match what's in the list. The a simple test is to add the alias name to the APF list and retest your job. Bob Shannon Rocket Software --

Re: zPRIME is Dead - Neon Surrenders to IBM

2011-06-01 Thread Jim Thomas
IBM I hope ... Not sure about this but have (over the last few years) heard that Microdaft has been trying (or perhaps succeeded) to patent simple things such as Catalog's, PDS's . blah blah... Jim Thomas 617-233-4130 (mobile) 636-294-1014(res) j...@thethomasresi

Re: APF Authorization

2011-06-01 Thread Donald Johnson
Lizette, I'm sorry for my cloudy description - let me try to be more clear... We have a STEPLIB with 2 files in it. The real filenames are MY.APF.FILE1 and MY.APF.FILE2. These files are APF authorized. When the job uses these names in STEPLIB, it runs fine. Now I have an alias called MY.ALIAS.FIL

Re: APF Authorization

2011-06-01 Thread Lizette Koehler
>Hi friends! >Can anyone suggest a reason why a job runs fine with APF authorized loadlibs >when the actual files are used, but fails as unauthorized when using a >dataset alias? APF shows the correct file on the correct volume, and I know >that I do not need to add the alias name to APF list, righ

Re: z/OS System Programmer Needed East Coast

2011-06-01 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
et...@tulsagrammer.com (Eric Chevalier) writes: > Why do the letters "N S A" keep popping into my mind??? :-) from long ago and far away: http://www.nsa.gov/research/selinux/list-archive/0409/8362.shtml one of the "benefits" of cp67 and then vm370 was complete source as well as tradition of doing

Re: August Share Sessions

2011-06-01 Thread Mark Post
>>> On 6/1/2011 at 02:28 PM, Mark Jacobs wrote: > Does anyone know if the session list for the August Share in Orlando > have been published yet? I looked on their web site but didn't find it. The schedule is supposed to go live on the web tomorrow. Mark Post

Re: z/OS System Programmer Needed East Coast

2011-06-01 Thread Mike Schwab
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 11:53 AM, Eric Chevalier wrote: > Why do the letters "N S A" keep popping into my mind??? :-) > > Eric I had a co-worker used to work there, retired a few years ago. -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -

Re: August Share Sessions

2011-06-01 Thread Jack Schudel
The agenda should be posted some time on Friday, 03 JUN 2011. /jack - Original Message - From: "Mark Jacobs" Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 2:28 PM Subject: August Share Sessions Does anyone know if the session list for the August Share in O

Re: What is the current feeling for MVC loop vs. MVCL?

2011-06-01 Thread Martin Packer
I would expect MVPG to be slow - given its history. If we no longer feel the need to go "the scenic route" :-) maybe it isn't. Martin Martin Packer, Mainframe Performance Consultant, zChampion Worldwide Banking Center of Excellence, IBM +44-7802-245-584 email: martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com Twitter

Re: What is the current feeling for MVC loop vs. MVCL?

2011-06-01 Thread Jim Thomas
John, I concur However ... there is one question I'd like to ask if I may. Have the 'longer' times for MVCL's been noticed on 'older' processors ?. Has MVPG (limited users) been tried ? .. and again ... for MVPG that is, any difference between 'older' and the 'new' z10 ?. Jim Thomas 617-

APF Authorization

2011-06-01 Thread Donald Johnson
Hi friends! Can anyone suggest a reason why a job runs fine with APF authorized loadlibs when the actual files are used, but fails as unauthorized when using a dataset alias? APF shows the correct file on the correct volume, and I know that I do not need to add the alias name to APF list, right? Wh

August Share Sessions

2011-06-01 Thread Mark Jacobs
Does anyone know if the session list for the August Share in Orlando have been published yet? I looked on their web site but didn't find it. -- Mark Jacobs Time Customer Service Tampa, FL Some people are electrifying, they light up a room when they leave. -

Is is possible to use a Certificate with RSA & 2048 key without a crypto card?

2011-06-01 Thread Stew Feuerstein
We are relative novices with crypto/ssl. In the past we have used certificates with RSA and 1024 keys. We do not have a crypto card in our z9 box. Now we are told that we must get keys >= 2048. Is it possible to use RSA keys >1024 without a crypto card? We use the certificate for tn3270. Usin

Re: DFSMShsm SETSYS AUTOBACKUPSTART Query

2011-06-01 Thread Gibney, Dave
/F DFHSM,QUERY SETSYS keeps the output in the syslog. Works with SDSF and E/JES if you have access to the log. Dave Gibney Information Technology Services Washington State University > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On > Beh

FW: Neon/IBM settle over zPrime

2011-06-01 Thread Dell'Anno, Aurora Emanuela
for anyone interested, zPrime is dead. http://www.thestreet.com/story/11138354/1/neon-settles-legal-dispute-wit h-ibm.html Thanks. Aurora Aurora Emanuela Dell'Anno CA Technology - MSC Sr. Engineering Services Architect Tel: +44 (0)1753 577 733 Mobile: +44 (0)7768 235 33

Re: PF9 Swap question

2011-06-01 Thread Steve Comstock
On 6/1/2011 11:26 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: In, on 05/31/2011 at 10:14 AM, Mark Pace said: Just back from vacation and find this thread very educational. Is there a place where I can define the SCRNAME at logon instead of having to enter them each time I logon? I didn't think

Re: PF9 Swap question

2011-06-01 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In , on 05/31/2011 at 10:14 AM, Mark Pace said: >Just back from vacation and find this thread very educational. Is >there a place where I can define the SCRNAME at logon instead of >having to enter them each time I logon? I didn't think there was, but Steve Comstock posted a message stating

Re: What is the current feeling for MVC loop vs. MVCL?

2011-06-01 Thread Charles Mills
Or devoting the time to figuring out how not to MVC(L) the data at all. Pointers are your friend. Of course, sometimes you have to move the data. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of john gilmore Sent: Wednesday, June 01

Re: What is the current feeling for MVC loop vs. MVCL?

2011-06-01 Thread Tony Harminc
On 1 June 2011 12:32, Jim Mulder wrote: >  If your 8K MVCLs have 4K-aligned sources and targets, then > they may be taking advantage of the page mover hardware.  In that > case, MVCs could be considerably slower. I had been about to suggest the MVPG instruction, but it's quite possible that MVCL

Re: z/OS System Programmer Needed East Coast

2011-06-01 Thread Eric Chevalier
On 1 Jun 2011 07:58:33 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: >I am aware of a need for a z/OS Systems Programmer to work under contract >at Ft Meade, MD southwest of Baltimore and northeast of Washington DC. >The person should already have a minimum Top Secret clearance in place. If >any

Re: What is the current feeling for MVC loop vs. MVCL?

2011-06-01 Thread Jim Mulder
IBM Mainframe Discussion List wrote on 06/01/2011 10:33:51 AM: > Rob Scott > I know that in the software I am involved in, that "MVCL(*)" for > clearing is used *way* more than any movement purposes as I am a > heavy user of CPOOL services. > > Obviously you can have "fast clear" for objec

Re: What is the current feeling for MVC loop vs. MVCL?

2011-06-01 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011g.html#57 What is the current feeling for MVC loop vs. MVCL? other recent gcc reference: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011g.html#50 My first mainframe experience ... and recent reference to out-of-order pipeline introduced http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011f.html

Re: DFSMShsm SETSYS AUTOBACKUPSTART Query

2011-06-01 Thread George Rodriguez
Yep, that one's not too bad. 1 screen shows: MAXBACKUPTASKS=15, ABSTART= (0330 0630 0730), VERSIONS=010, Although the immediate problem is solved, it would be nice if there was a way to capture the screen. I have a Rexx exec called TSOCAP, but it won't work on DFSMShsm commands. Thanks. . . * *

Re: DFSMShsm SETSYS AUTOBACKUPSTART Query

2011-06-01 Thread Brian Fraser
"QUERY BACKUP" will give you less output to sift through. On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 11:11 PM, Gonzalo Cengotita wrote: > George, > > You can display it with "query setsys": > >  "ABSTART=(time1 time2 time3)" > > > Regards, > > Gonzalo Cengotita > > > On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 4:43 PM, George Rodriguez

Re: DFSMShsm SETSYS AUTOBACKUPSTART Query

2011-06-01 Thread Gerhard Weisshaar
George, try this one: QUERY BACKUP Kind regards Gerhard Am 01.06.2011 16:43, schrieb George Rodriguez: I issued a command to change the the start time for the command from 3:00 to 3:30. Is there a query command that would display the time for verification? TIA. . . * * *George Rodriguez* *Spe

Re: DFSMShsm SETSYS AUTOBACKUPSTART Query

2011-06-01 Thread George Rodriguez
Already done...but thanks for the reminder. I always make the change to the ARCCMD00 first. * * *George Rodriguez* *Specialist II - IT Solutions* *Application Support / Quality Assurance* *PX - 47652* *(561) 357-7652 (office)* *(561) 707-3496 (mobile)* *School District of Palm Beach County* *3348 F

Re: DFSMShsm SETSYS AUTOBACKUPSTART Query

2011-06-01 Thread Eric Bielefeld
If this is a permanent change, don't forget to change the startup deck. -- Eric Bielefeld Systems Programmer Gonzalo Cengotita wrote: > George, > > You can display it with "query setsys": > > "ABSTART=(time1 time2 time3)" > > > Regards, > > Gonzalo Cengotita > > > On Wed, Jun 1, 2

Re: DFSMShsm SETSYS AUTOBACKUPSTART Query

2011-06-01 Thread George Rodriguez
I did that, but there's so much information that came back, that I missed it. I even tried running a job, but the output still came back to my screen. Do you know of anything that would capture the information so I can use the find command? BTW, by the 3rd time I did the command, I did find it: M

Re: What is the current feeling for MVC loop vs. MVCL?

2011-06-01 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
john_w_gilm...@msn.com (john gilmore) writes: > These optimizations are also devised by groups whose full-time job is > to optimize code skeletons that are used stereotypically in > compiler-generated code; and these groups inevitably come to have a > vested interest in cleverness, i.e., non-standa

Re: DFSMShsm SETSYS AUTOBACKUPSTART Query

2011-06-01 Thread Gonzalo Cengotita
George, You can display it with "query setsys": "ABSTART=(time1 time2 time3)" Regards, Gonzalo Cengotita On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 4:43 PM, George Rodriguez < george.rodrig...@palmbeachschools.org> wrote: > I issued a command to change the the start time for the command from 3:00 > to > 3:30.

Re: What is the current feeling for MVC loop vs. MVCL?

2011-06-01 Thread john gilmore
The "optimizations" that compilers use are certainly interesting in the sense that there are things to be learned from them. They do, however, have two limitations. They are particularist, appropriate usually but not always to the run-time environment in which a particular compiler's output w

z/OS System Programmer Needed East Coast

2011-06-01 Thread Jim Marshall
I am aware of a need for a z/OS Systems Programmer to work under contract at Ft Meade, MD southwest of Baltimore and northeast of Washington DC. The person should already have a minimum Top Secret clearance in place. If any further clearances are needed the firm will sponsor and get the higher

Re: What is the current feeling for MVC loop vs. MVCL?

2011-06-01 Thread Tom Marchant
On Wed, 1 Jun 2011 10:26:37 -0400, Gerhard Postpischil suggested: >variable MVCs to bump the starting address up to a >4K multiple (if needed) Of the source or the destination? -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signo

Re: What is the current feeling for MVC loop vs. MVCL?

2011-06-01 Thread Richard L Peurifoy
On 6/1/2011 9:27 AM, Gerhard Postpischil wrote: On 6/1/2011 9:19 AM, Charles Mills wrote: It seems to me like the ideal way to do this would be to have not two stages (MVC for 256 and EX'ed MVC) but rather three cases: A loop with a "hard-coded" or "unrolled" string of 16 MVC's that moved 4K blo

DFSMShsm SETSYS AUTOBACKUPSTART Query

2011-06-01 Thread George Rodriguez
I issued a command to change the the start time for the command from 3:00 to 3:30. Is there a query command that would display the time for verification? TIA. . . * * *George Rodriguez* *Specialist II - IT Solutions* *Application Support / Quality Assurance* *PX - 47652* *(561) 357-7652 (office)*

Re: zPRIME is Dead - Neon Surrenders to IBM

2011-06-01 Thread Mark Zelden
On Wed, 1 Jun 2011 17:19:38 +0300, Binyamin Dissen wrote: >Still on their web site: > >http://www.neonsoft.com/solutions/zprime.shtm > >-- On the bottom of that page, click on the link that says zPrime Press Releases: http://www.neon.com/neon/newspr.shtm 05/31/11– NEON Settles Legal Disp

Re: What is the current feeling for MVC loop vs. MVCL?

2011-06-01 Thread Rob Scott
I am going to digress a bit here. I got into a discussion with Martin Packer about some of this and it raised a few interesting thoughts : (1) What percentage of executed MVCL instructions are for clearing storage versus actually moving data? I know that in the software I am involved in, that

Re: What is the current feeling for MVC loop vs. MVCL?

2011-06-01 Thread Gerhard Postpischil
On 6/1/2011 9:19 AM, Charles Mills wrote: It seems to me like the ideal way to do this would be to have not two stages (MVC for 256 and EX'ed MVC) but rather three cases: A loop with a "hard-coded" or "unrolled" string of 16 MVC's that moved 4K blocks and incremented registers by 4K on each itera

Re: zPRIME is Dead - Neon Surrenders to IBM

2011-06-01 Thread Binyamin Dissen
Still on their web site: http://www.neonsoft.com/solutions/zprime.shtm -- Binyamin Dissen http://www.dissensoftware.com Director, Dissen Software, Bar & Grill - Israel Should you use the mailblocks package and expect a response from me, you should preauthorize the dissensoftware.com domain.

Re: zPRIME is Dead - Neon Surrenders to IBM

2011-06-01 Thread Chris Hoelscher
So - that's what the Beatles were really saying when you play revolution #9 backwards: Turn NEON dead, man.. Turn NEON dead, man ... The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you receive this mate

Re: What is the current feeling for MVC loop vs. MVCL?

2011-06-01 Thread Charles Mills
This thread has been really informative. I am going to put this to use. I have code that is executing a million or so ~8K MVCLs a day. I have other things on my plate at the moment but I will replace that with an MVC loop at some point. It seems to me like the ideal way to do this would be to have

AUTO: Jorge Martin Badenas is out of the office. (returning 06/06/2011)

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