In 4f96b993.2020...@phoenixsoftware.com, on 04/24/2012
at 07:32 AM, Jim Phoenix jimphoe...@phoenixsoftware.com said:
Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:
IBM maintains a list of official acronyms and Unix system Services is not in
that list.
OpenEdition MVS
See UNIX System Services.
In 481781196635.wa.elardus.engelbrechtsita.co...@bama.ua.edu, on
04/24/2012
at 12:06 PM, Elardus Engelbrecht elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za
said:
Aw cr*p, hehehe ( :-D ) , there are at least two ( 2 ) definitions
of USS shown there.
FSVO two twice as large as the standard value.
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In 4f97116c.2060...@bremultibank.com.pl, on 04/24/2012
at 10:47 PM, R.S. r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl said:
They don't care.
Don't be a hypocrite. You obviously care enough to jump in when anyone
posts a correction.
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ISO position;
In
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on 04/22/2012
at 07:58 AM, John Gilmore johnwgilmore0...@gmail.com said:
Almost all acronyms are overloaded.
Yes. However, in this case it is an IBM acronym, IBM maintains a list
of official acronyms and Unix system
Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:
IBM maintains a list of official acronyms and Unix system Services is not in that list.
OpenEdition MVS
See UNIX System Services.
http://www-01.ibm.com/software/globalization/terminology/u.html#x2182787
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No, Shmuel's point is that, while no one gainsays that UNIX Systems
Services is IBM terminology, IBM has not associated the acronym USS
with it in its 'official listing'.
The URL you supply indeed supports his view.
In
begin extract
UNIX System Services
An element of z/OS that creates a UNIX
In my previous post the text
(UCFP)
should of course be
(UUCP)
instead. My apologies.
John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA
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Jim Phoenix wrote:
http://www-01.ibm.com/software/globalization/terminology/u.html#x2182787
Aw cr*p, hehehe ( :-D ) , there are at least two ( 2 ) definitions of USS
shown there.
Let us go the route of John G and Shmuel M - move on ( ... and you can just
define the real USS when you post
On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 12:06:24 -0500, Elardus Engelbrecht
elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za wrote:
Jim Phoenix wrote:
http://www-01.ibm.com/software/globalization/terminology/u.html#x2182787
Aw cr*p, hehehe ( :-D ) , there are at least two ( 2 ) definitions of USS
shown there.
There are? I see
There are? I see only one:
quote
USS
See unformatted system service.
/quote
And this very recent APAR describes a problem with a zFS loop in
renaming processing after a BPX1REN ( rename, rename() ) syscall from
Unformatted System Service. No wonder it caused a loop! g,d, r
APAR
It's boring. Another example for USS meaning Unix system services, not
Unformatted system services. Yes, IBMer do use USS for Unix SS,
regardless it is official or not official. And yes we can discuss what
the acronym is and what is IBM authority to authorize the acronyms since
it part of the
On 24 Apr 2012 13:53:26 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote:
It's boring. Another example for USS meaning Unix system services, not
Unformatted system services. Yes, IBMer do use USS for Unix SS,
regardless it is official or not official. And yes we can discuss what
the acronym is and
Almost all acronyms are overloaded.
In some contexts this overloading can be ambiguous, even misleading;
in others it is not.
All of the arguments about this issue have been set out, chewed over,
and regurgitated repeatedly. No consensus has emerged, and none is
likely.
Can we now perhaps
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Oh, so USSTAB means Unix Systems Services table. Wonder what that's used
for, mate?
On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 10:20 PM, Ron Hawkins
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Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] A z/OS Redbook Corrected - just about!
Oh, so USSTAB means Unix Systems Services table. Wonder what that's used
for, mate?
On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 10:20 PM, Ron Hawkins
ronjhawk...@sbcglobal.netwrote:
Chris,
I took your advice and read this post
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Oh, so USSTAB means Unix Systems Services table. Wonder what that's
used
for, mate?
On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 10:20 PM, Ron Hawkins
ronjhawk...@sbcglobal.netwrote:
Chris,
I took your advice and read this post, but then I took
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Back in early February, I sent off this comment to the redbooks site:
comment
To whom it may concern
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From: Ron Hawkins ronjhawk...@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: A z/OS Redbook Corrected - just about!
And so I curtailed my googling activities, sallied forth, clicked my mouse
button, and infiltrated this place of purveyance to negotiate the reading
of
some
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Hi Ron,
Such language! Contracted comestibles. So what does that mean? I looked
In order not to disturb those delicate souls who can't take too much of this
topic, I have consolidated my responses.
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From Sebastian Welton Wed, 21 Mar 2012 10:48:13 -0500
... then maybe IBM will have to change ***all*** their manuals.
Obviously untrue! Of the 400 plus manuals in the
the way God and Google intended us to.
Ron
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I agree with Chris Mason. IBM should have never started called it USS -
how about a simple definitive abbreviation, like zUnix. IBM adores
putting a z in front of everything (for some clueless
and The
MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM
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I agree, why not zUnix
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I agree, why not zUnix? Or z/Unix?
However, since Lynn Wheeler has reminded us that z/OS Unix is
(to some degree) POSIX compliant/compatible, why not adopt a
catchy contraction of POSIX?
I'd like to suggest z
. ;-) ...
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 10:16:32 -0700
From: dickbond...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: A z/OS Redbook Corrected - just about!
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
I agree with Chris Mason. IBM should have never started
called it USS -
how about a simple definitive abbreviation, like zUnix.
IBM
Redbook Corrected - just about!
besides the OSF and POSIX support on MVS folklore
recent tale of origin of AIX
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012e.html#2
was done for IBM by the company that had done port of ATT unix to
ibm/pc as PC/IX ... i.e. ROMP was originally going to be the followon
They ran out of W's so couldn't use Websphere anymore?
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List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of
Dick Bond
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This could go another route and ask why every IBM product that is old,
new or purchased via OEM, seems to be given
On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 22:34:01 -0400, J R jayare...@hotmail.com wrote:
I agree, why not zUnix? Or z/Unix?
While I enjoy the USS Naming Wars immensely (NOT), this particular question
gets old, and I thought the answer would be obvious: You cannot take other
peoples' trademarks and alter them or
I agree with Chris Mason. IBM should have never started called it USS -
how about a simple definitive abbreviation, like zUnix. IBM adores
putting a z in front of everything (for some clueless reason) so why
should their version of Unix be any different?
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Scott
On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 10:16:32 -0700, Dick Bond wrote:
I agree with Chris Mason. IBM should have never started called it USS -
how about a simple definitive abbreviation, like zUnix. IBM adores
putting a z in front of everything (for some clueless reason) so why
should their version of Unix be
dickbond...@gmail.com (Dick Bond) writes:
I agree with Chris Mason. IBM should have never started called it USS -
how about a simple definitive abbreviation, like zUnix. IBM adores
putting a z in front of everything (for some clueless reason) so why
should their version of Unix be any
On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 10:16:32 -0700, Dick Bond dickbond...@gmail.com wrote:
I agree with Chris Mason. IBM should have never started called it USS -
how about a simple definitive abbreviation, like zUnix. IBM adores
putting a z in front of everything (for some clueless reason) so why
should
Dick Bond wrote:
I agree with Chris Mason. IBM should have never started called it USS -
how about a simple definitive abbreviation, like zUnix. IBM adores
putting a z in front of everything (for some clueless reason) so why
should their version of Unix be any different?
That'd be branding.
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 8:34 AM, Chris Mason chrisma...@belgacom.netwrote:
Back in early February, I sent off this comment to the redbooks site:
gargantuan snip
Definition of TL;DR.
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Dick Bond wrote:
I agree with Chris Mason. IBM should have never started called it USS
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Of Phil Smith
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Dick Bond wrote:
I agree with Chris Mason. IBM should have never started called it USS -
how about a simple definitive
It's not immediately clear to me what your intent was here. Accept and
except are homophonic opposites.
Sadly, I sense that you may have meant accept.
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 14:52:40 -0400
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It's not immediately clear to me what your intent was here. Accept and
except are homophonic opposites.
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When pronounced distinctly (forcing oneself to speak more
slowly than normally
You have the core-wrecked pronunciation.
Bill Fairchild
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I
Yes, your pronunciation appears to be an acceptable one---'correct' is
too normative a word for most linguists---for an
educated-circa-2012-somewhere-in-Texas speaker.
Still, I don't suppose that I will be expected to forego my usual plea
for the use of the IPA instead of such expedients in these
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��z{S���}�ĝ� �xjǺ�*'���O*^��m��Z�w!j�
Just about everyone is tired of the USS crap. IMO, there are three root
causes for all of this waste of time:
1) IBM has now had three names: Open Edition MVS, Unix System Services,
and now z/OS Unix (System Services). The first two had usable (and widely
used) acronyms, where as z/OS Unix
Hi Kirk,
Ah, the voice of reason.
Off with his Head!!!
:-)
BobL
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Bill Fairchild
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It's not immediately clear to me what your intent
On 03/26/2012 04:20 PM, John Gilmore wrote:
Yes, your pronunciation appears to be an acceptable one---'correct' is
too normative a word for most linguists---for an
educated-circa-2012-somewhere-in-Texas speaker.
Still, I don't suppose that I will be expected to forego my usual plea
for the use
In
cahm_n2k9pybdezjqo_l19jt3rgot0k5a-ldkngzz6r8f22z...@mail.gmail.com,
on 03/26/2012
at 04:29 PM, Kirk Wolf k...@dovetail.com said:
Just about everyone is tired of the USS crap. IMO, there are three
root causes for all of this waste of time:
4.) IBM has a list of official acronyms and Unix
On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 16:29:18 -0500, Kirk Wolf wrote:
a) don't use USS since it is not an official IBM acronym for z/OS Unix
b) don't correct someone who does.
You forgot:
c) don't boast about your forays into (a) and (b).
-- gil
, 26 Mar 2012 10:16:32 -0700
From: dickbond...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: A z/OS Redbook Corrected - just about!
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
I agree with Chris Mason. IBM should have never started called it USS -
how about a simple definitive abbreviation, like zUnix. IBM adores
putting a z
Back in early February, I sent off this comment to the redbooks site:
comment
To whom it may concern,
-
This feedback concerns redbook z/OS Version 1 Release 13 Implementation,
SG24-7946-00, which is described still to be in Draft status.
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Recently I wanted to check on what z/OSMF was all
I won't get into a lather about USS vs. UNIX but then maybe IBM will have to
change all their manuals. For example, SC27-2353-01 - OMEGAMON XE on z/OS Users
Guide (and nearly anything to do with monitoring) refers to USS in regards to
Unix System Services although in this manual it does make a
Thank goodness IBM is spending time correcting USS atrocities rather than
improving z/OS Unix.
Kirk Wolf
Dovetailed Technologies
http://dovetail.com
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LOL - I know that only a very short list of people will ever be truly
confused by USS (unformatted system services) and USS (unix system
services) references... the cat hearding reference is awesome and
very appropriate... since the cat is out of the bag.
Rob Schramm
Senior Systems Consultant
Amen, heaven forbid the improve unix systems services, btw I have worked Vtam
and unix, so amen brothers and sisters I ave seen the Chris light, teasing
Chris .
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Scott Ford
Senior Systems Engineer
www.identityforge.com
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