Re: Autoskip bit in logon panels (Was APAR OA16111, BlueZone,

2006-09-07 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 09/06/2006 at 12:13 AM, Alan Altmark [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: VM allows the sysprog to set the line editing defaults. The most reasonable are: CHARDEL OFF LINEND # ESCAPE LINEDEL OFF. Is there any reaon not to use Field Mark for LINEND? -- Shmuel (Seymour

Re: Autoskip bit in logon panels (Was APAR OA16111, BlueZone,

2006-09-07 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 09/06/2006 at 01:22 AM, Paul Gilmartin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Why? How? Command stacking. I assume that was what Alan had in mind as well. People today are quite accustomed to graphic workstations where no displayable character is usurped for editing functions.

Re: Autoskip bit in logon panels (Was APAR OA16111, BlueZone,

2006-09-07 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) said: Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 11:18:35 -0300 Is there any reaon not to use Field Mark for LINEND? I'd love to. Depending on terminal emulator, keyboard, and map. I tried to do the same for ISPF, but it wouldn't let me. Apparently ISPF has

Re: Autoskip bit in logon panels (Was APAR OA16111, BlueZone,

2006-09-07 Thread Alan Altmark
On Thursday, 09/07/2006 at 11:18 ZW3, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: VM allows the sysprog to set the line editing defaults. The most reasonable are: CHARDEL OFF LINEND # ESCAPE LINEDEL OFF. Is there any reaon not to use Field Mark for LINEND? Because my fingers refuse

Re: Autoskip bit in logon panels (Was APAR OA16111, BlueZone,

2006-09-06 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, Alan Altmark said: Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 00:13:24 -0400 - Line editing ought to be disabled by default on graphic terminals. For for full-screen applications, yes: not for line-mode input. By coincidence, the userid and password fields on the VM logo are

Re: Autoskip bit in logon panels (Was APAR OA16111, BlueZone,

2006-09-06 Thread Alan Altmark
On Wednesday, 09/06/2006 at 01:22 CST, Paul Gilmartin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: essentially a full-screen app. But if you press enter and go back into line mode, then the default VM line editing characters (those specified or defaulted in SYSTEM CONFIG) are in effect, even before you log

Re: Autoskip bit in logon panels (Was APAR OA16111, BlueZone,

2006-09-06 Thread Gerhard Postpischil
Alan Altmark wrote: once the CRT came into being and we all learned to use it, CHARDEL and LINEDEL went the way of the dodo Maybe the next time we think about re-versioning z/VM we'll consider changing those two to OFF. But they didn't vanish quietly. The console task maintained

Re: Autoskip bit in logon panels (Was APAR OA16111, BlueZone,

2006-09-05 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 09/04/2006 at 08:53 AM, Paul Gilmartin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Perhaps autoskip should operate in the reverse direction, I'm not sure that is the best solution, but the problem is certainly a nuisance. o Of late, companies are requiring ever more complex passwords,

Re: Autoskip bit in logon panels (Was APAR OA16111, BlueZone,

2006-09-05 Thread Alan Altmark
On Tuesday, 09/05/2006 at 10:11 ZW3, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: o Of late, companies are requiring ever more complex passwords, with mixed-case, numerics, and special characters. VM line editing usurps several special characters; to enter them literally, they

Autoskip bit in logon panels (Was APAR OA16111, BlueZone, and Vista (Was: 27x132?))

2006-09-04 Thread Chris Mason
Edward There is (still I guess) an aspect of the VM logon panel, copied in the NetView logon panel[1], which, to my mind indicated a lack of understanding of human factors in the implementation of the 3270 data stream and its effect on the operator experience. When deciding whether or not to use

Re: Autoskip bit in logon panels (Was APAR OA16111, BlueZone,

2006-09-04 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, Chris Mason said: Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 11:50:21 +0200 If the input data is guaranteed to fill the field, then the use of the autoskip bit is appropriate. Ideally such a field will be part of a sequence of such fields so that reaching for the tab key will not be

Re: Autoskip bit in logon panels (Was APAR OA16111, BlueZone, and Vista (Was: 27x132?))

2006-09-04 Thread Edward Jaffe
Chris Mason wrote: If the input data is guaranteed to fill the field, then the use of the autoskip bit is appropriate. Ideally such a field will be part of a sequence of such fields so that reaching for the tab key will not be necessary within the whole sequence. I agree with the above. My