Re: CICS vs IMS

2012-02-16 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Fred Hoffman Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 9:35 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: CICS vs IMS They both have their +s and -s, The logging for IMS is very good. Easy

Re: CICS vs IMS

2012-02-16 Thread Itschak Mugzach
Frank, From IMS/DC point of view, It works almost the same. CICS has DBCTL that perform as a limited DBRC as well as IMS/DC has the DLI DBRC address spaces. Same commands, traces etc. Is this what your question refer to ? ITschak On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 2:04 AM, Frank Swarbrick

Re: CICS vs IMS

2012-02-16 Thread John Weber
and PGM2 must be re-linked. Can this be avoided? Thank you... John -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of McKown, John Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 2:01 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: CICS vs IMS With the current CICS

Re: CICS vs IMS

2012-02-16 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of John Weber Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 11:48 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: CICS vs IMS I'm glad the DYNAM/NODYNAM has been brought up. I have a question about a CICS application. It contains sub modules

Re: CICS vs IMS

2012-02-16 Thread Frank Swarbrick
: Thursday, February 16, 2012 7:02 AM Subject: Re: CICS vs IMS Frank, From IMS/DC point of view, It works almost the same. CICS has DBCTL that perform as a limited DBRC as well as IMS/DC has the DLI DBRC address spaces. Same commands, traces etc. Is this what your question refer to ? ITschak On Thu

Re: CICS vs IMS

2012-02-16 Thread Ian Steyn
Frank, IMS DC does the same thing as CICS, but completely different. An IMS control region with its message region function basically like CICSPlex with AOR's and TOR's. Transactions in IMS can be tied to specific message regions and you can have several message regions tied to a control

Re: CICS vs IMS

2012-02-16 Thread Sambataro, Anthony (NIH/NBS) [E]
Can probably get a good answer from the IMS listserv that BMC Supports: im...@imslistserv.bmc.com -Original Message- From: Frank Swarbrick [mailto:frank.swarbr...@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 12:44 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: CICS vs IMS I do think I need

Re: CICS vs IMS

2012-02-16 Thread McKown, John
and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of John Weber Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 10:48 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: CICS vs IMS I'm glad the DYNAM/NODYNAM has

Re: CICS vs IMS

2012-02-16 Thread Frank Swarbrick
on the documentation.) Frank From: McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 12:56 PM Subject: Re: CICS vs IMS My suggestion is: Don't use DYNAM for compiling CICS COBOL programs. Change your coding standards from

Re: CICS vs IMS

2012-02-16 Thread Mike Schwab
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Frank Swarbrick frank.swarbr...@yahoo.com wrote: deleted 1) How does BMS compare to MFS.  Power, flexibility, ease of use. Pretty similar. One run to create a binary map, one run to create the copybook. 2) Does IMS TM have an API for miscellaneous functions

Re: CICS vs IMS

2012-02-16 Thread Bernd Oppolzer
I'm not really an expert on this topic. We're an IMS shop, but all the IMS topics are hidden behind a site specific application framework, so that most of IMS is not visible to the applications. In my earlier life, I worked at a company, which used CICS on VSE. So my impression is: - CICS is

Re: CICS vs IMS

2012-02-16 Thread Frank Swarbrick
@bama.ua.edu Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 5:28 PM Subject: Re: CICS vs IMS On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Frank Swarbrick frank.swarbr...@yahoo.com wrote: deleted 1) How does BMS compare to MFS.  Power, flexibility, ease of use. Pretty similar.  One run to create a binary map, one run

Re: CICS vs IMS

2012-02-16 Thread John Weber
Thank you all for the valuable information. John -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Frank Swarbrick Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 12:17 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: CICS vs IMS That's not just a suggestion

Re: CICS vs IMS

2012-02-16 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 1329350690.69346.yahoomail...@web122113.mail.ne1.yahoo.com, on 02/15/2012 at 04:04 PM, Frank Swarbrick frank.swarbr...@yahoo.com said: We are a CICS shop with IMS DB (DBCTL), but I've been curious for a while about the differences between how CICS works and how IMS TM works. CICS was

CICS vs IMS

2012-02-15 Thread Frank Swarbrick
We are a CICS shop with IMS DB (DBCTL), but I've been curious for a while about the differences between how CICS works and how IMS TM works.  I couldn't find anything on the web.  Anyone have a link to a good reference? Thanks, Frank

Re: CICS vs IMS

2012-02-15 Thread Mike Schwab
I have programmed with both systems. IMS TM seems to be a bit cleaner to me. CICS seems to be more susecptible to other program's errors. Both feature 3270 screen handling, storing information between screen actions, updating databases, sending updated screens. On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 6:04 PM,

Re: CICS vs IMS

2012-02-15 Thread Roberts, John J
We are a CICS shop with IMS DB (DBCTL), but I've been curious for a while about the differences between how CICS works and how IMS TM works. I couldn't find anything on the web. Anyone have a link to a good reference? Try Google for IMS DC. The IMS Transaction Manager used to be called

Re: CICS vs IMS

2012-02-15 Thread Fred Hoffman
experienced your staff is. BTW, calls in cics are frowned upon, the last time I checked. HTH, Fred From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Roberts, John J Sent: Wed 2/15/2012 6:30 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: CICS vs IMS We are a CICS shop

Re: CICS vs IMS

2012-02-15 Thread Ken Brick
On 16/02/2012 11:04 AM, Frank Swarbrick wrote: We are a CICS shop with IMS DB (DBCTL), but I've been curious for a while about the differences between how CICS works and how IMS TM works. I couldn't find anything on the web. Anyone have a link to a good reference? Thanks, Frank