Re: Cost of SAS

2009-01-22 Thread R.S.
Kelman, Tom wrote: Last year we looked at SAS sub-capacity pricing. What we found out then is that to get sub-capacity pricing for SAS you need to cut out an LPAR that runs SAS and hard-cap it. Then they'll charge you for the MSUs (MIPS) that is assigned to that LPAR. You can't run SAS on any

Re: Cost of SAS

2009-01-22 Thread Ron Hawkins
on other platforms. Ron -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of R.S. Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 6:04 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] Cost of SAS Kelman, Tom wrote: Last year we looked at SAS sub

Re: Cost of SAS

2009-01-22 Thread Ted MacNEIL
would never want to go back to running SAS on a MF. Some things do run better on other platforms. It depends. I worked in two shops where 'everybody' used SAS. In that case, one mainframe licence was cheaper than mega-multiple PC licences, and the data was all shared. If just your

Re: Cost of SAS

2009-01-22 Thread Ron Hawkins
: Thursday, January 22, 2009 9:14 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] Cost of SAS would never want to go back to running SAS on a MF. Some things do run better on other platforms. It depends. I worked in two shops where 'everybody' used SAS. In that case, one mainframe licence

Re: Cost of SAS

2009-01-22 Thread Ted MacNEIL
It's not just the cost. The overall usability of the SAS workplace in a GUI is IMO streets ahead of the 3270 CUA equivalent. Possibly, but with the CUA it only matters for online. I admit that most of the work was batch, which beat windows/*NIX implementations. But, at one company, we got free

Cost of SAS

2009-01-21 Thread Ben Alford
Ted MacNeil said: SAS is available with sub-capacity licencing options. Well, maybe for some folks, not for others. I checked with SAS (in 2006) and was told that their sub-cap license was only available if you moved your license to a larger machine and that 50 MSU's was the minimum size. That

Re: Cost of SAS

2009-01-21 Thread Scott Barry
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 09:43:25 EST, Ben Alford pa7...@utkvm1.utk.edu wrote: Ted MacNeil said: SAS is available with sub-capacity licencing options. Well, maybe for some folks, not for others. I checked with SAS (in 2006) and was told that their sub-cap license was only available if you moved

Re: Cost of SAS

2009-01-21 Thread Hal Merritt
, 2009 8:43 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Cost of SAS Ted MacNeil said: SAS is available with sub-capacity licencing options. Well, maybe for some folks, not for others. I checked with SAS (in 2006) and was told that their sub-cap license was only available if you moved your license

Re: Cost of SAS

2009-01-21 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Well, maybe for some folks, not for others. I checked with SAS (in 2006) and was told that their sub-cap license was only available if you moved your license to a larger machine and that 50 MSU's was the minimum size. That was no help for my shop. Has SAS changed their stance since 2006? January

Re: Cost of SAS

2009-01-21 Thread Ted MacNEIL
You may want to consider the alternative product to SAS, which can leverage your existing SAS-programmed application code. World Programming's software called WPS http://teamwpc.co.uk/home may be a suitable replacement. The original discussion focused on MXG. Dr. Barry has/will not certify

Re: Cost of SAS

2009-01-21 Thread Scott Barry
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 10:01:16 -0600, Hal Merritt hmerr...@jackhenry.com wrote: Some shops have found it cost effective to put SAS on a 'penalty box'. That's a CPU purchased expressly to run such products. HTH and good luck. No longer required to be a standalone CPU. SAS will negotiate for a

Re: Cost of SAS

2009-01-21 Thread Ted MacNEIL
No longer required to be a standalone CPU. SAS will negotiate for a capped LPAR. It's not truly a negotiation. SAS Institute told us what their policy was. We told them the LPAR weight, where SAS was running, was 35% of the physical capacity. They charged us a C licence (110-150 MIPS), instead

Re: Cost of SAS

2009-01-21 Thread Kelman, Tom
Kelman Enterprise Capacity Planner Commerce Bank of Kansas City (816) 760-7632 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Ben Alford Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 8:43 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Cost of SAS Ted

Re: Cost of SAS

2009-01-21 Thread Mark L. Wheeler
Hal Merritt wrote on 01/21/2009 10:01:16 AM: Some shops have found it cost effective to put SAS on a 'penalty box'. That's a CPU purchased expressly to run such products. By implementing Co:Z, we were able to drop our SAS-Graph license on z/OS and redirect those executions to run on a cheaper

Re: Cost of SAS

2009-01-21 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Last year we looked at SAS sub-capacity pricing. What we found out then is that to get sub-capacity pricing for SAS you need to cut out an LPAR that runs SAS and hard-cap it. We didn't hard-cap it. We told them what our weights were, and they trusted us (mid-2006). Of course, I haven't worked

Re: Cost of SAS

2009-01-21 Thread Kelman, Tom
, 2009 10:50 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Cost of SAS You may want to consider the alternative product to SAS, which can leverage your existing SAS-programmed application code. World Programming's software called WPS http://teamwpc.co.uk/home may be a suitable replacement

Re: Cost of SAS

2009-01-21 Thread Ted MacNEIL
From what I understand, that is no longer the case. Barry supports running MXG under WPS. Okay. I'm quoting from 3 years ago, and, then, he didn't support it at all. That's why I said check out his site. I didn't want to put words in his mouth. - Too busy driving to stop for gas!