Ref Posting from: "Michael W. Moss" on Sun, 22 Nov 2009 03:34:16 -0600
(portions forwarded below)
I didn't see a response to the note below, my apologies if the answer
was already provided and I missed it.
It is slightly more accurate to rephrase what Jim said this way:
If you choose VWLC fo
I couldnt agree more, different strokes for different folks, and so not
everyone is best suited to VWLC, and yes lets perform due diligence to
determine the best z/OS software pricing model.
The one area I think we need clarification is the all z/OS products are VWLC
eligible observation.
In ,
on 11/20/2009
at 03:00 PM, Timothy Sipples said:
>Yes. And that particular upgrade is *not* being withdrawn effective June
>30, 2010. There is currently no withdrawal date for that upgrade.
Thanks. Given that, I don't have an issue with the withdrawal.
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Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
Shmuel Metz asks:
>Is there a direct upgrade from, e.g., z890 to z10?
Yes. And that particular upgrade is *not* being withdrawn effective June
30, 2010. There is currently no withdrawal date for that upgrade.
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Timothy Sipples
IBM Consulting Enterprise Software Architect
Based in Tokyo, S
In <4b02cbff.6000...@phoenixsoftware.com>, on 11/17/2009
at 08:14 AM, Edward Jaffe said:
>Is there something z9 does that z10 can't? Who will buy z9s with z10s
>available at the same price?
Is there a direct upgrade from, e.g., z890 to z10?
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Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JO
On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 09:31:01 -0600, Michael W. Moss
wrote:
>With sub-capacity and the promise of lower software costs via VWLC pricing,
>would anybody like to comment as to why VWLC pricing isnt being adopted?
>Is it ELA/ESSO (IBM Contract) related, or the uncertainty of the software bill?
>
>AF
On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 08:04:39 -0600, Mark Rodger
wrote:
>No, it is full WDFM.. You won't be able to upgrade either. No microcode
>changes so no CPU purchases, no new I/O cards.
>
>I agree with Mark, this is early. z900 and z990 from being made available
>to End of upgrades was 6 years. z9 is 4
With sub-capacity and the promise of lower software costs via VWLC pricing,
would anybody like to comment as to why VWLC pricing isnt being adopted?
Is it ELA/ESSO (IBM Contract) related, or the uncertainty of the software bill?
AFAIK, for DR situations and looping transactions, naming but 2,
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> Just curious: What casues s
Mark Rodger pisze:
No, it is full WDFM.. You won't be able to upgrade either. No microcode
changes so no CPU purchases, no new I/O cards.
This is a problem with microcode changes. Cards can be added/removed
without IBM assistance. Legally.
BTDT. There's no black magic here, fortunately.
BT
No, it is full WDFM.. You won't be able to upgrade either. No microcode
changes so no CPU purchases, no new I/O cards.
I agree with Mark, this is early. z900 and z990 from being made available
to End of upgrades was 6 years. z9 is 4 years 9 months with no announcement of
zNext (z11 ?).
So do
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> On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:36:17 +0100, R.S.
wrote:
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> >Just curious: What casues such bill reduction?
> >Is it ISV software or IBM software?
> >I'm asking because thanks to WLC pricing you don't ne
On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:36:17 +0100, R.S. wrote:
>Just curious: What casues such bill reduction?
>Is it ISV software or IBM software?
>I'm asking because thanks to WLC pricing you don't need to worry about
>installed MIPS (I mean IBM software bill).
There are a LARGE number of customers still not
McKown, John pisze:
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John,
We downgraded our z9BC recently
Such a "service" in Europe costs EUR 11000...
JC
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> But instead of dow
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> John,
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> We do
Mark Zelden wrote:
http://www.ibm.com/vrm/newsletter_10577_5896_139734_email_DYN_1IN/nwk68500100
I thought June 2010 was a little early if the z11 isn't going to be
available until Q4 2010, but to be honest I haven't payed attention
to the exact timing of past withdrawal announcements.
Is t
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> I thought June 2010 was a little early if the z11 isn't going to be
> available until Q4 2010, but to be honest I have
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> Mark Zelden wrote:
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On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Mark Zelden wrote:
> Thanks, I understand about all that. I just thought the timing seemed
> a little early.
>
Well, the ARE four years old...time flies!
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> John,
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>> I thought June 2010 was a little early if the z11 isn't
http://www.ibm.com/vrm/newsletter_10577_5896_139734_email_DYN_1IN/nwk68500100
I thought June 2010 was a little early if the z11 isn't going to be
available until Q4 2010, but to be honest I haven't payed attention
to the exact timing of past withdrawal announcements.
Mark
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