Re: JCL CROSS-REFERENCE Utilities (OT for Paul, Rick, and Shmuel)

2011-10-09 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In m34nzkcdi4@garlic.com, on 10/08/2011 at 12:29 AM, Anne Lynn Wheeler l...@garlic.com said: xt/370 at/370 was motorola 68k As I recall, it was two of them, one with standard 68000 ROM and one with a tailored ROM. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position;

Re: JCL CROSS-REFERENCE Utilities (OT for Paul, Rick, and Shmuel)

2011-10-07 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 93891f43642f3c419a7d75acc2b1db6f3bfbbcd...@exchangemb2.dhs.state.ia.us, on 10/06/2011 at 03:58 PM, Roberts, John J jrobe...@dhs.state.ia.us said: (2) Upgraded our OS from OS/MFT to OS/MVT. We can now run seven jobs concurrently!!! In 512 KiB? Not bllody likely! (5) We now have a 2780 RJE

Re: JCL CROSS-REFERENCE Utilities (OT for Paul, Rick, and Shmuel)

2011-10-07 Thread Ed Gould
This goes back a lot of years but our systems each had 512k and we ran 6 jobs. Granted the small regions were 64k but it did work. Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to

Re: JCL CROSS-REFERENCE Utilities (OT for Paul, Rick, and Shmuel)

2011-10-07 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: (2) Upgraded our OS from OS/MFT to OS/MVT. We can now run seven jobs concurrently!!! H, I'm smelling something fishy. What resources are used concurrently? In 512 KiB? Not bllody likely! Those programmers and their jobs are probably very economically with

Re: JCL CROSS-REFERENCE Utilities (OT for Paul, Rick, and Shmuel)

2011-10-07 Thread Roberts, John J
(2) Upgraded our OS from OS/MFT to OS/MVT. We can now run seven jobs concurrently!!! H, I'm smelling something fishy. What resources are used concurrently? In 512 KiB? Not bllody likely! Those programmers and their jobs are probably very economically with all those bits and bytes... :-D

Re: JCL CROSS-REFERENCE Utilities (OT for Paul, Rick, and Shmuel)

2011-10-07 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 93891f43642f3c419a7d75acc2b1db6f3bfbbcd...@exchangemb2.dhs.state.ia.us, on 10/07/2011 at 01:11 PM, Roberts, John J jrobe...@dhs.state.ia.us said: This was all very tongue in cheek, but much of what I said is based upon my reality back in 1970. I did indeed work on a 512KB S360/65 system

Re: JCL CROSS-REFERENCE Utilities (OT for Paul, Rick, and Shmuel)

2011-10-07 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 1318007771.19748.yahoomailmob...@web161403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com, on 10/07/2011 at 10:16 AM, Ed Gould ps2...@yahoo.com said: This goes back a lot of years but our systems each had 512k and we ran 6 jobs. Granted the small regions were 64k but it did work. Are you sure it wasn't MFT II? 6

Re: JCL CROSS-REFERENCE Utilities (OT for Paul, Rick, and Shmuel)

2011-10-07 Thread Ed Gould
Shmuel, We had 512K and ran MFT two or II. At the end just before I left we had a TP system that ran in p0 on 2260's. The rdr wtr ran in p1 and p2-p6 ran jobs p1also ran IBM utilities . If I ever said MVT I was in error. Ed On Oct 7, 2011, at 3:30 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)

Re: JCL CROSS-REFERENCE Utilities (OT for Paul, Rick, and Shmuel)

2011-10-07 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
jrobe...@dhs.state.ia.us (Roberts, John J) writes: I'm surprised the old-timers didn't comment on my mention of APL. This was the original write-only language - maintenance was only possible by the original author. It was very heavily touted by IBM in the early 70's. somewhat because of

Re: JCL CROSS-REFERENCE Utilities (OT for Paul, Rick, and Shmuel)

2011-10-07 Thread Ed Gould
---SNIP--- HONE also started offering marketingsales applications implemented in cms\apl. Eventually the salesmarketing use began to dominate all HONE use and the virtual guest use died off. By the mid-70s *ALL* mainframe orders had to be first processed by

Re: JCL CROSS-REFERENCE Utilities (OT for Paul, Rick, and Shmuel)

2011-10-07 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
). Was that not the case? I still remember (albeit vaguely ) looking at some output (paper) from a hone session and being asked about memory and the like. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011m.html#61 JCL CROSS-REFERENCE Utilities (OT for Paul, Rick, and Shmuel) original apl\360 would allocate next unused storage

Re: JCL CROSS-REFERENCE Utilities (OT for Paul, Rick, and Shmuel)

2011-10-07 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
, and Shmuel) http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011m.html#62 JCL CROSS-REFERENCE Utilities (OT for Paul, Rick, and Shmuel) at the science center, there was a lot of performance algorithm, tuning, monitoring, simulation and modeling work ... some of it eventually evolving into things like capacity planning

Re: JCL CROSS-REFERENCE Utilities (OT for Paul, Rick, and Shmuel)

2011-10-07 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
glen herrmannsfeldt g...@ugcs.caltech.edu writes: I once had PL/I (F) running on an AT/370, about 5 minutes to compiler a five line program. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011m.html#61 JCL CROSS-REFERENCE Utilities (OT for Paul, Rick, and Shmuel) http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011m.html#62

Re: JCL CROSS-REFERENCE Utilities (OT for Paul, Rick, and Shmuel)

2011-10-06 Thread Roberts, John J
My use was deliberate, suggesting that PROCs and temp DSNs, two facilities his client considers ultramodern, antedate the 029. HA HA HA You guys are just jealous. We have been making great strides here are Trailing Edge Computers. Things we have achieved lately: (1) Upgraded from S360/30 to a

Re: JCL CROSS-REFERENCE Utilities (OT for Paul, Rick, and Shmuel)

2011-10-06 Thread Rick Fochtman
-snip- HA HA HA You guys are just jealous. We have been making great strides here are Trailing Edge Computers. Things we have achieved lately: (1) Upgraded from S360/30 to a S360/65 with 512 KILOBYTES of core memory. (2)