>>> On 8/5/2010 at 02:37 PM, Clark Morris wrote:
> As someone whose mainframe training in the 1960's was OJT on DOS and a
> combination of OJT, some employer sponsored IBM courses and SHARE
> attendance in the late 1970s an 1980s, I question the need for
> operating specific college training. Gi
On 3 Aug 2010 11:04:09 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote:
>"The company commands 85 percent of the mainframe market and can't afford
>to abandon a technology that despite its age, still underpins some 10,000
>mainframes that are used by 4,000 to 5,000 customers around the globe."
>
>and
> Date: 08/03/2010 09:31 AM
>
>
>
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Rick Fochtman wrote:
> We should be working to help our management realize just what that "horse
> hockey" really means. NOTHING!!!
>
But they're so cute, on their little skates, with their four legs going in
all directions...
but how many people who read the article know what odiferous horse
hockey it is?
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We should be working to help our management realize just what th
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out of curiosity, do you recall just how they managed to get ahold of *that much* C4? you're talking about 8 CUBIC YARDS of the stuff in the mixer, if it really really was completely packed .. I used the stuf
Steve Comstock wrote:
Alan Schenck wrote:
If this myth needs to be busted, may I suggest that we involve the
likes of Jamie Hyneman, Adam Savage, Tory Belleci, Kari Byron, and
Grant Imahara?
Duh! I don't know any of those names. Sorry, but the allusion
is just lost, and I suspect I'm not
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Youtube of Cement truck turning into confetti.
http://www.youtube.c
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I'm still trying to figure out, what was the myth they were trying to expose?
I've watched the show a
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Youtube of Cement truck turning into confetti.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gxm_qpKh7Jw
On Wed,
gt; > Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 10:17 AM
> > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
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> >
> > out of curiosity, do you recall just how they managed to get
> > ahold of *that much* C4? you're talking about 8 CUBIC Y
IBM Mainframe Discussion List wrote on 08/03/2010
10:45:09 AM:
> From: John P Kalinich
>
> I would not worry about FUD given the following statement from the
article.
>
> "Some companies still employ an older mainframe with a screen known as a
> 3270 terminal emulator, which evokes the decad
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> [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Bonno, Tuco
> Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 10:17 AM
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>
> out of curiosity
You have to stay in more, and watch TV.
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> Steve Comstock
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On 3 Aug 2010 22:16:33 -0700, timothy.sipp...@us.ibm.com (Timothy
Sipples) wrote:
>Yet that's exactly what's NOT happening (or at least not happening fast
>enough) in the rest of computing -- and that's a big problem for individual
>businesses and for the planet. Remember those old movies which ta
out of curiosity, do you recall just how they managed to get ahold of *that
much* C4? you're talking about 8 CUBIC YARDS of the stuff in the mixer, if it
really really was completely packed .. I used the stuff on occasion in
viet-nam, and believe me, you don't need 8 cubic yards of that s
TV show called mythbusters. Great program!
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Alan Schenck
Alan Schenck wrote:
If this myth needs to be busted, may I suggest that we involve the likes of
Jamie Hyneman, Adam Savage, Tory Belleci, Kari Byron, and Grant Imahara?
Duh! I don't know any of those names. Sorry, but the allusion
is just lost, and I suspect I'm not the only one.
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Kind r
One of the larger explosions on Myth Busters was a cement truck. It was
completely packed with C4. When it went off, the cement truck disappeared.
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Steve Comstock wrote:
> Alan Schenck wrote:
>
>> Dude. One word cement truck.
>>
>>
> Clueless.
>
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>
> Ki
Alan Schenck wrote:
Dude. One word cement truck.
Clueless.
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Dude. One word cement truck.
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> If this myth n
If this myth needs to be busted, may I suggest that we involve the likes of
Jamie Hyneman, Adam Savage, Tory Belleci, Kari Byron, and Grant Imahara?
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There's a lot of sloppy reporting in the world. But it still amazes me that
so many people would get things so wrong when it comes to the number of
machines and what it signifies.
If the world of computing were actually materially advancing, we would
fully expect the number of machines to collapse
I see the same thing here in Tallahassee. In the early 80's every State
agency, the school board, the county government, and multiple banks all had
mainframes and staff. That was probably 15-20 mainframes. Now there are
about 5 left in the State. The school board, county government and banks
ha
I think my experience in Milwaukee bears out the quoted text below.
When I first started as a systems programmer, there were
approximately 30 to 40 mainframe shops. We had a group that met
quarterly until about 1991, and we'd often get at least 30 shops
represented. Now, to my best estimate
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better yet, to Vorkuta (or did they dismantle that place after 1989?)
/s/ tuco bonno;
Graduate, College of Conflict Management;
University of SouthEast Asia;
"I partied on the Ho Chi Minh Trail - tiến lên !! "
"The company commands 85 percent of the mainframe market and can't afford
to abandon a technology that despite its age, still underpins some 10,000
mainframes that are used by 4,000 to 5,000 customers around the gl
Serious topic yaw here. Koyma was / is more "famous"..
=> better yet, to Vorkuta (or did they dismantle that place after 1989?)
=>
=> /s/ tuco bonno;
=> Graduate, College of Conflict Management;
=> University of SouthEast Asia;
=> "I partied on the Ho Chi Minh Trail - tiến lên !! "
=>
=>
=>
better yet, to Vorkuta (or did they dismantle that place after 1989?)
/s/ tuco bonno;
Graduate, College of Conflict Management;
University of SouthEast Asia;
"I partied on the Ho Chi Minh Trail - tiến lên !! "
>Too much trouble.. send him and the other mouse-twitching folks to
>
"The company commands 85 percent of the mainframe market and can't afford
to abandon a technology that despite its age, still underpins some 10,000
mainframes that are used by 4,000 to 5,000 customers around the globe."
and
"The number of mainframes today has dropped to about 10,000, from 30,00
Too much trouble.. send him and the other mouse-twitching folks to Kolyma.
=>
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=>
=>>I would not worry about FUD given the following statement from the
=>> article.
=>>
=>>"Some companies still employ an older mainframe
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I would not worry about FUD given the following statement from the article.
"Some companies still employ an older mainframe with a screen known as a
3270 terminal emulator, which evokes the decades-old Disk Operating
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I guess if we did it consistently and often enough we might get a
reporter or two to check their facts but as they are probably not
Mainframe savvy (or even tech savvy) I doubt it would get anywhere.
Perhaps if we targeted the editor
Yeah, so, do we have a responsiblity to point up the error of such
careless reporting? Is it in our (mainframer's) best interest to send
emails decrying the sloppy reporting? Do we let the myth continue?
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On 3 Aug 2010 09:10:45 -0700, ken.porow...@cit.com (Ken Porowski)
wrote:
>I guess if we did it consistently and often enough we might get a
>reporter or two to check their facts but as they are probably not
>Mainframe savvy (or even tech savvy) I doubt it would get anywhere.
>Perhaps if we targete
I guess if we did it consistently and often enough we might get a
reporter or two to check their facts but as they are probably not
Mainframe savvy (or even tech savvy) I doubt it would get anywhere.
Perhaps if we targeted the editor of the publication pointing out the
shoddy reporting of their sta
3/2010 09:31 AM
Subject: More FUD on the demise o
03/2010 09:31 AM
Subject: More FUD on the demise of the
http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/aug2010/tc2010082_274669.
htm
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