Re: Of interest to the Independent Contractors on the list

2010-05-24 Thread Howard Brazee
On 20 May 2010 10:07:48 -0700, john.mck...@healthmarkets.com (McKown, John) wrote: All prime examples of media know-nothings trying to be know it alls. Has anyone yet developed a vaccine for stupid ?? :-) Rick Yes - it induces the only cure - death. Results of stupidity often survive

Re: Of interest to the Independent Contractors on the list

2010-05-23 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In ittcv59na689nhm9o13fjttl75ccdqr...@4ax.com, on 05/21/2010 at 03:10 PM, Binyamin Dissen bdis...@dissensoftware.com said: So it was smart enough to know that it needed 3 digits for the end part of the year, but then it concatenated the string '19' in front? No, it was dumb enough to ignore a

Re: Of interest to the Independent Contractors on the list

2010-05-22 Thread Ed Gould
From: Graeme Gibson gra...@ase.com.au To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Wed, May 19, 2010 6:13:37 AM Subject: Re: Of interest to the Independent Contractors on the list How many of those Prophets of Doom knew what they were talking about but it worked for most

Re: Of interest to the Independent Contractors on the list

2010-05-22 Thread Tony Harminc
On 21 May 2010 08:10, Binyamin Dissen bdis...@dissensoftware.com wrote: On Fri, 21 May 2010 06:43:42 -0400 Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net wrote: :Indeed. On the flip side, not every Y2K bug was worth fixing. At NSF :we had a monitor that showed the date as 19100; the

Re: Of interest to the Independent Contractors on the list

2010-05-21 Thread Gerhard Postpischil
On 5/20/2010 2:18 PM, Greg Shirey wrote: This type of error has been reported various times over the years - it was around before the term Y2K was invented. I suspect you're right, but I was trying to find the reporting of the specific incident cited as happening at the same time in Fairfax

Re: Of interest to the Independent Contractors on the list

2010-05-21 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 20100520042808.ad5f81c...@mail.ase.com.au, on 05/19/2010 at 09:13 PM, Graeme Gibson gra...@ase.com.au said: Countless other professionals did corresponding good work and as a direct consequence Y2K was not a disaster at all. Indeed. On the flip side, not every Y2K bug was worth fixing.

Re: Of interest to the Independent Contractors on the list

2010-05-21 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Fri, 21 May 2010 06:43:42 -0400 Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net wrote: :In 20100520042808.ad5f81c...@mail.ase.com.au, on 05/19/2010 : at 09:13 PM, Graeme Gibson gra...@ase.com.au said: :Countless other professionals did corresponding good work and as a :direct

Re: Of interest to the Independent Contractors on the list

2010-05-21 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Binyamin Dissen wrote: :Indeed. On the flip side, not every Y2K bug was worth fixing. At NSF :we had a monitor that showed the date as 19100; the only real effect :that bug had was to provoke the occasional chuckle. So it was smart enough to know that it needed 3 digits for the end part of the

Re: Of interest to the Independent Contractors on the list

2010-05-21 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za (Elardus Engelbrecht) writes: Perhaps, but AFAIK, such systems stored the year in two fields. One field was used for century and another field for 2 digit year. In this case I suspect, it was stored as x'13' for 19 in one field for century and another field

Re: Of interest to the Independent Contractors on the list

2010-05-20 Thread Gerhard Postpischil
On 5/19/2010 7:13 AM, Graeme Gibson wrote: Countless other professionals did corresponding good work and as a direct consequence Y2K was not a disaster at all. One suspects that sections of the media were hoping it was going to be very bad (planes falling from the sky, toasters electrocuting

Re: Of interest to the Independent Contractors on the list

2010-05-20 Thread Greg Shirey
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Gerhard Postpischil Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 2:40 AM At the time I was working for an ISV, and beginning 12/31/1999 all technical employees were on call, and three at a time had to man the help line until 1/3. We got a few calls, but mostly

Re: Of interest to the Independent Contractors on the list

2010-05-20 Thread Howard Brazee
On 20 May 2010 07:49:37 -0700, wgshi...@benekeith.com (Greg Shirey) wrote: At the time I was working for an ISV, and beginning 12/31/1999 all technical employees were on call, and three at a time had to man the help line until 1/3. We got a few calls, but mostly minor stuff. However, at the

Re: Of interest to the Independent Contractors on the list

2010-05-20 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 20 May 2010 09:48:07 -0500, Greg Shirey wrote: From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Gerhard Postpischil Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 2:40 AM At the time I was working for an ISV, and beginning 12/31/1999 all technical employees were on call, and three at a time had to man the

Re: Of interest to the Independent Contractors on the list

2010-05-20 Thread Rick Fochtman
snip-- Countless other professionals did corresponding good work and as a direct consequence Y2K was not a disaster at all. One suspects that sections of the media were hoping it was going to be very bad (planes falling from the sky,

Re: Of interest to the Independent Contractors on the list

2010-05-20 Thread McKown, John
snip All prime examples of media know-nothings trying to be know it alls. Has anyone yet developed a vaccine for stupid ?? :-) Rick Yes - it induces the only cure - death. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N.

Re: Of interest to the Independent Contractors on the list

2010-05-20 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Rick Fochtman snip-- All prime examples of media know-nothings trying to be know it alls. Has anyone yet developed a vaccine for stupid ?? :-) The only

Re: Of interest to the Independent Contractors on the list

2010-05-20 Thread Greg Shirey
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Howard Brazee Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 11:16 AM This type of error has been reported various times over the years - it was around before the term Y2K was invented. I suspect you're right, but I was trying to find the reporting of the

Re: Of interest to the Independent Contractors on the list

2010-05-20 Thread Clark Morris
On 20 May 2010 09:55:47 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: snip-- Countless other professionals did corresponding good work and as a direct consequence Y2K was not a disaster at all. One suspects that sections of the media were

Re: Of interest to the Independent Contractors on the list

2010-05-19 Thread Graeme Gibson
How many of those Prophets of Doom knew what they were talking about but it worked for most executives. The doom would have been real enough if the prophets had been ignored. We began fixing that Y2K thing'gie in late 1992, a tad over 7 years before 2000. At that time it was mandatory in

Re: Of interest to the Independent Contractors on the list

2010-05-18 Thread Jeff Holst
Getting back to the oringinal topic: As the article notes, there is a lengthy test that the IRS has to determine if one is indeed an independent contractor. As someone who has seasonally worked as a tax preparer (and who is an IRS Enrolled Agent), I have seen a lot of people who have been (in

Re: Of interest to the Independent Contractors on the list

2010-05-18 Thread Ed Gould
SNIP This type of article re-appears every two years.. It's suppose to make you fear and maybe you will subscribe to their magazine. Remember the Y2K thing'gie ? How many of those Prophets of Doom knew what they were talking

Re: Of interest to the Independent Contractors on the list

2010-05-18 Thread Hal Merritt
Bad example. There is more (very sad) truth than not. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Anton Britz Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 7:12 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Of interest to the Independent Contractors on

Re: Of interest to the Independent Contractors on the list

2010-05-17 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
charl...@mcn.org (Charles Mills) writes: Um ... the Y2K thingie was real. Without the efforts of a lot of the people on this list data processing as we know it WOULD have come to an end. Y2K remediation also contributed heavily to outsourcing uptik. Y2K remediation was competing for resources

Re: Of interest to the Independent Contractors on the list

2010-05-17 Thread Linda Mooney
Hi Charles, Right you are.  For my senior project (1979), I personally wrote some very non-Y2K compliant COBOL code.  It was a major enhancement to a payroll system for a city that was running  a Burroughs 1800 at the time.   They were so short on memory that everthing else had to be shut

Re: Of interest to the Independent Contractors on the list

2010-05-17 Thread Anton Britz
Hi Linda, Yes, my point was, that it was EXAGGERATED using FEAR for profit purposes. There was no need to upgrade all the Mainframes/Desktops/Servers/Operating systems etc. The place I worked at, spent 16 Million Dollars, on upgrading all the PC's in the Organization and each PC received a

Re: Of interest to the Independent Contractors on the list

2010-05-17 Thread Charles Mills
How do you know it was EXAGGERATED using FEAR for profit purposes? Exaggerated by whom? Perhaps the executives at your former employer were risk-adverse, or saw senior management's attention to Y2K as a chance to implement worthwhile equipment upgrades. Home PCs are different from corporate

Of interest to the Independent Contractors on the list

2010-05-16 Thread Ed Gould
Cracking Down on Independent Contractors Federal and state regulators increasingly want to know whether companies' independent contractors are truly independent. http://www.cfo.com/article.cfm/14480567?f=search -- For

Re: Of interest to the Independent Contractors on the list

2010-05-16 Thread Anton Britz
This type of article re-appears every two years.. It's suppose to make you fear and maybe you will subscribe to their magazine. Remember the Y2K thing'gie ? How many of those Prophets of Doom knew what they were talking about but it worked for most executives. Anton Note: Another

Re: Of interest to the Independent Contractors on the list

2010-05-16 Thread Charles Mills
Um ... the Y2K thingie was real. Without the efforts of a lot of the people on this list data processing as we know it WOULD have come to an end. You're falling into the that saw doesn't need that safety guard fallacy: That saw doesn't need that safety guard ... no one has cut a finger off in it