Re: SRBEPA

2011-10-25 Thread Bill Fairchild
Why can't we all just eschew obfuscation? Bill Fairchild -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 5:47 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: SRBEPA You may prefer 'dispatch

Re: SRBEPA

2011-10-25 Thread Shane
On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 11:20:46 + Bill wrote: Why can't we all just eschew obfuscation? A modicum of clarity wouldn't go astray either. Funny how the folks that perhaps have the most reason to muddy the waters (given corporate resistance to candor) are amongst the most direct. Plaudits to

Re: SRBEPA

2011-10-25 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In capd5f5opl261uej7zc+of64p7lanekdh19wmzxuymtujwoa...@mail.gmail.com, on 10/24/2011 at 05:41 PM, John Gilmore johnwgilmore0...@gmail.com said: You're out of line, Shmuel. Well, someone is. You may prefer 'dispatch' to 'despatch', but they are equally legitimate alternative spellings. Were

Re: SRBEPA

2011-10-24 Thread John Gilmore
Peter Relson's point is an important one. In my experience almost no one confuses a task with a TCB, but the ambiguous use of SRB is common. People talk, for example, of scheduling an SRB, but never of despatching a TCB. It is probably too late; but it would have been useful to make a

Re: SRBEPA

2011-10-24 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In capd5f5ryy38n9t9_r2dy2jukcek9o6tmkovtu1o0psnqbqh...@mail.gmail.com, on 10/24/2011 at 11:03 AM, John Gilmore johnwgilmore0...@gmail.com said: People talk, for example, of scheduling an SRB, but never of despatching a TCB. They do, however, talk of dispatching a TCB, sometimes in

Re: SRBEPA

2011-10-24 Thread John Gilmore
You're out of line, Shmuel. You may prefer 'dispatch' to 'despatch', but they are equally legitimate alternative spellings. Moreover, while I should ordinarily let 'excrutiating' pass without comment, I shall not do so this time. I find no entry in the OED for it. It is an unambiguous

Re: SRBEPA

2011-10-24 Thread Gord Tomlin
You two should prpbably get a room. -- Regards, Gord Tomlin Action Software International (a division of Mazda Computer Corporation) Tel: (905) 470-7113, Fax: (905) 470-6507 On 2011-10-24 17:41, John Gilmore wrote: You're out of line, Shmuel. You may prefer 'dispatch' to 'despatch', but they

Re: SRBEPA

2011-10-24 Thread Ted MacNEIL
You may prefer 'dispatch' to 'despatch', but they are equally legitimate alternative spellings. They may be legitimate, but NOT equally. The purpose of communication is to communicate. NOT to show off your erudition by picking obscure spellings/usage and confusing people. Schmuel was probably

Re: SRBEPA

2011-10-23 Thread Peter Relson
There is not much of a real difference. SQA will even overflow into CSA. It is a matter of definition. Also the manual says to use SQA. In addition, SQA is automatically page-fixed. I don't know why you'd want executable code in [E]SQA vice [E]CSA.

Re: SRBEPA

2011-10-23 Thread Micheal Butz
Sp 226 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Peter Relson Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 10:06 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: SRBEPA There is not much of a real difference. SQA will even overflow into CSA

Re: SRBEPA

2011-10-18 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 00e701cc8d19$4d6f9980$e84ecc80$@net, on 10/17/2011 at 06:08 PM, Micheal Butz michealb...@optonline.net said: Page fault that means it does't have to be fixed unless I just don't get it Did you see Jim Mulder's message, ofc7e976b2.bebda8c2-on8525792c.006db3e2-8525792c.006e2...@us.ibm.com?

Re: SRBEPA

2011-10-17 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 004a01cc8c3a$1dd08b60$5971a220$@net, on 10/16/2011 at 03:30 PM, Micheal Butz michealb...@optonline.net said: How can something be addressable in the target address space if is not in common If it is in private. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see

Re: SRBEPA

2011-10-17 Thread Chris Craddock
On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Micheal Butz michealb...@optonline.netwrote: The normal sequence then is common when scheduling to a different address space just think about it for a minute. There is no magic. Put yourself in the SRB's place. In order for it to run, the code has to be

Re: SRBEPA

2011-10-17 Thread Sam Siegel
On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Chris Craddock crashlu...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Micheal Butz michealb...@optonline.netwrote: The normal sequence then is common when scheduling to a different address space just think about it for a minute. There is no magic.

Re: SRBEPA

2011-10-17 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Sam Siegel Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 11:32 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: SRBEPA snip On the other hand; If you are trying to schedule an SRB into -any-other

Re: SRBEPA

2011-10-17 Thread Sam Siegel
thanks On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 9:55 AM, McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com wrote: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Sam Siegel Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 11:32 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: SRBEPA

Re: SRBEPA

2011-10-17 Thread Sam Siegel
On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 10:03 AM, Chris Craddock crashlu...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Sam Siegel s...@pscsi.net wrote: On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Chris Craddock crashlu...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Micheal Butz michealb...@optonline.net

Re: SRBEPA

2011-10-17 Thread Chris Craddock
On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Sam Siegel s...@pscsi.net wrote: On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Chris Craddock crashlu...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Micheal Butz michealb...@optonline.net wrote: snip On the other hand; If you are trying to schedule an SRB into

Re: SRBEPA

2011-10-17 Thread Jim Mulder
IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu wrote on 10/17/2011 01:03:09 PM: (E)SQA has the correct storage attributes. (E)SQA is key zero and page fixed. You should never load SRB code into anything but key zero and the code should never be paged out, hence my use of the term SQA as a

Re: SRBEPA

2011-10-17 Thread Micheal Butz
Does that mean subpool 227 as opposed to to 241 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Jim Mulder Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 4:03 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: SRBEPA IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN

Re: SRBEPA

2011-10-17 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In cakxahqwwofk2cmeed1akporkeytzvz-_iq5pk1kmi3bb8fx...@mail.gmail.com, on 10/17/2011 at 11:27 AM, Chris Craddock crashlu...@gmail.com said: On the other hand; If you are trying to schedule an SRB into -any-other- address space, then (somehow) you have to make sure the code will be addressable

Re: SRBEPA

2011-10-17 Thread Micheal Butz
Page fault that means it does't have to be fixed unless I just don't get it -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 6:32 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: SRBEPA

Re: SRBEPA

2011-10-17 Thread Chris Craddock
On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 5:31 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net wrote: In cakxahqwwofk2cmeed1akporkeytzvz-_iq5pk1kmi3bb8fx...@mail.gmail.com, on 10/17/2011 at 11:27 AM, Chris Craddock crashlu...@gmail.com said: On the other hand; If you are trying to schedule an

Re: SRBEPA

2011-10-17 Thread Micheal Butz
, 2011 6:27 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: SRBEPA On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 5:31 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net wrote: In cakxahqwwofk2cmeed1akporkeytzvz-_iq5pk1kmi3bb8fx...@mail.gmail.com, on 10/17/2011 at 11:27 AM, Chris Craddock crashlu...@gmail.com said

Re: SRBEPA

2011-10-17 Thread Binyamin Dissen
, : :For the SRB code 227 : : Thank you for all your help : : : :-Original Message- :From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf :Of Chris Craddock :Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 6:27 PM :To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu :Subject: Re: SRBEPA : :On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 5:31

SRBEPA

2011-10-16 Thread Micheal Butz
Does anyone know if the SRB rtn has to live common Thanks in advance Sent from my iPhone -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO

Re: SRBEPA

2011-10-16 Thread Tom Harper
Michael, No, it does not. Tom - Original Message - From: Micheal Butz [mailto:michealb...@optonline.net] Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 06:04 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: SRBEPA Does anyone know if the SRB rtn has to live common Thanks in advance Sent

Re: SRBEPA

2011-10-16 Thread Micheal Butz
: Micheal Butz [mailto:michealb...@optonline.net] Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 06:04 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: SRBEPA Does anyone know if the SRB rtn has to live common Thanks in advance Sent from my iPhone

Re: SRBEPA

2011-10-16 Thread Binyamin Dissen
, at 6:46 AM, Tom Harper tom.har...@neon.com wrote: : No, it does not. : - Original Message - : From: Micheal Butz [mailto:michealb...@optonline.net] : Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 06:04 AM : To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu : Subject: SRBEPA : Does anyone know if the SRB rtn

Re: SRBEPA

2011-10-16 Thread Micheal Butz
So if I have a piece of code in my pgm E.G. RTN000 I can point at EPA to it E.G LA R3,RTN000 ST R3,SRBEPA And set SRBASCB to a different address space Sent from my iPhone On Oct 16, 2011, at 7:35 AM, Binyamin Dissen bdis...@dissensoftware.com wrote: On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 07:09:07 -0400

Re: SRBEPA

2011-10-16 Thread Tom Harper
@bama.ua.edu IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: SRBEPA So if I have a piece of code in my pgm E.G. RTN000 I can point at EPA to it E.G LA R3,RTN000 ST R3,SRBEPA And set SRBASCB to a different address space Sent from my iPhone On Oct 16, 2011, at 7:35 AM, Binyamin Dissen bdis

Re: SRBEPA

2011-10-16 Thread Micheal Butz
How can something be addressable in the target address space if is not in common -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Binyamin Dissen Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 7:36 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: SRBEPA On Sun

Re: SRBEPA

2011-10-16 Thread Tom Harper
, October 16, 2011 03:30 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: SRBEPA How can something be addressable in the target address space if is not in common -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Binyamin Dissen

Re: SRBEPA

2011-10-16 Thread Micheal Butz
The normal sequence then is common when scheduling to a different address space -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Tom Harper Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 3:39 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: SRBEPA Michael

Re: SRBEPA

2011-10-16 Thread Tom Harper
@bama.ua.edu IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: SRBEPA The normal sequence then is common when scheduling to a different address space -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Tom Harper Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 3:39 PM To: IBM-MAIN

Re: SRBEPA

2011-10-16 Thread Binyamin Dissen
advantages is that if the target address space goes away, it does not take your code with it. : :Tom : :- Original Message - :From: Micheal Butz [mailto:michealb...@optonline.net] :Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 05:53 PM :To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu :Subject: Re: SRBEPA