On Mon, 22 Aug 2011 11:27:08 -0400 Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:
or even computer science back then,
There were CS departments in the late 1960's.
But they weren't all offering degrees - even into the 70's.
I had to do a Science degree majoring in Applied Mathematics and
Computer Science
On 23/08/2011 4:04 PM, Shane wrote:
On Mon, 22 Aug 2011 11:27:08 -0400 Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:
or even computer science back then,
There were CS departments in the late 1960's.
But they weren't all offering degrees - even into the 70's.
I had to do a Science degree majoring in
In 025301cc6134$b9c39ca0$2d4ad5e0$@us, on 08/22/2011
at 08:33 PM, Jim Thomas j...@thethomasresidence.us said:
Don't know about the first HTTP server
Mainframe, at CERN as I recall.
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In 4e539fcf.2020...@gmail.com, on 08/23/2011
at 08:40 PM, David Crayford dcrayf...@gmail.com said:
Wow! At least UWA could afford a PDP-11 ;-)
The CDC was a mainframe, and fairly fast for its day; basically a 6600
without all of the parallelism. A much more powerful machine that the
DEC
: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 1:14 PM
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In 025101cc6133$02b0a860$0811f920$@us, on 08/22/2011
at 08:21 PM, Jim Thomas j...@thethomasresidence.us said:
Thank you ... but that was a couple of years ago ...
besides
They were running some very large MVS data centers across the country
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On 8/20/2011 9:37 AM, zMan
From Jim Thomas j...@thethomasresidence.us
IMHO .. this thread has gone long enough ... before I go on and rant, again, I
fully understand and concur w/Eric.
IMHO, the best way to stop a thread that has gone long enough from going on any
longer is not to continue the thread at all, no matter
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W dniu 2011-08-20 18:00, Eric Bielefeld pisze:
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One thing about this list always bothered me. A small percent of
contributers, such as zMan, don't give their name. I'm sure many people
have good reasons. It's just
In 00ba01cc6041$9c604f80$d520ee80$@us, on 08/21/2011
at 03:33 PM, Jim Thomas j...@thethomasresidence.us said:
LMAO !! .. actually .. this only happened twice ... none the Less
... in this day and age of buzz word proliferation, ... technically
... I was not canned ... I was PUSHED to a point
In 4e512171.9090...@bremultibank.com.pl, on 08/21/2011
at 05:17 PM, R.S. r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl said:
I also know many cases when some contractor(s) did have
extraonrdinary access to the mainframe system, including, i.e. ALTER
to APF libraries. On production LPARs. Is such system
In AAD07D45DBF648B6B048B809AB76B7C7@ericnbPC, on 08/20/2011
at 11:00 AM, Eric Bielefeld eric-ibmm...@wi.rr.com said:
It's just harder to accept as fact emails from someone
who remains anonymous.
As long as they provide I consistent identifier, I don't care whether
I know who they are in meat
In 00b201cc5ed5$c4e5c7e0$4eb157a0$@us, on 08/19/2011
at 08:09 PM, Jim Thomas j...@thethomasresidence.us said:
the only mistakes I see that mainframe people made was that we
a) went to school .. back then .. usually for engineering
... we didn't have HTML or other xxML crap
What did the
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In 00ba01cc6041$9c604f80$d520ee80$@us, on 08/21/2011
at 03:33 PM, Jim Thomas j...@thethomasresidence.us said:
LMAO !! .. actually .. this only happened twice ... none the Less
... in this day and age of buzz word proliferation, ... technically
(res)
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Sir,
I must have been was 'really disliked' ... been let go a lot more
than that but have, on two occasions, actually lost network / MVS
access even before I was 'told' in fact .. on one occasion,
On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 5:48 AM, Chase, John jch...@ussco.com wrote:
I've only been canned once But it made headline news around the
U.S. (and possibly the world) for a few days, at least. :-)
Hints: August 3 - 6, 1981. Boss was the President of the U.S.
Air traffic controllers
W dniu 2011-08-20 18:00, Eric Bielefeld pisze:
[...]
One thing about this list always bothered me. A small percent of
contributers, such as zMan, don't give their name. I'm sure many people
have good reasons. It's just harder to accept as fact emails from
someone who remains anonymous.
Eric
W dniu 2011-08-20 03:09, Jim Thomas pisze:
/snip
MVS (or OS/390 or z/OS or whatever you want to call it) has
NEVER been hacked or destroyed by an ex employee !!.
How do you know?
Do you expect any financial company to make an advertisement Hello!
We're open for hackers!. I suspect that no
I was a contractor for a company that gave me alter access to APF libraries.
I remember my boss at first giving me very limited access. Then, after a
few months when he trusted me, he gave me a lot more access.
Eric Bielefeld
Sr. Systems Programmer
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From: R.S.
A long time ago the prod/test environment was non existent. Test
libraries/data was at best a blur. APF libraries were wide open. IOW it was a
holy mess. Consultats had full blown access to everything. Example on Chistmas
day the DC was closed. Consultant came in an IPLed the system and I only
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On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 5:48 AM, Chase, John wrote:
I've only been canned once But it made headline news around the
U.S. (and possibly the world) for a few days, at least. :-)
Hints:
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[ snip ]
Not every business is big enough to justify ht costs of mainframe. Even
a shop needs some computer today. There is no reason to blame small
business or medium one. Vast majority of small business
Just because, as we all know because Tracy Walter told us in Repo Man,
the universe is controlled by a lattice of coincidence: this week's
Newsweek has not one but two different mentions of Mitnick (an
interview plus a reference in Joel Stein's column; admittedly, the
latter might have occurred
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Sir,
I must have been was 'really disliked' ... been let go a lot more
than that but have, on two occasions, actually lost network
(res)
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W dniu 2011-08-20 03:09, Jim Thomas pisze:
/snip
MVS (or OS/390 or z/OS or whatever you want to call it) has
NEVER been hacked or destroyed by an ex employee !!.
How do you know?
Do you expect any financial company
On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Jim Thomas j...@thethomasresidence.us wrote:
Sir,
LMAO !! .. actually .. this only happened twice ... none the
Less ... in this day and age of buzz word proliferation,
... technically ... I was not canned ... I was PUSHED to a point
where I'd retaliate ...
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I was a contractor for a company that gave
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As soon as we have a paperless bathroom!
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I was a contractor for a company that gave me alter access to APF libraries.
I remember my boss at first giving me very limited access. Then, after a
few months when he trusted me, he gave me a lot
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I think the Japanese have invented that. First a good squirt of water
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---snip---
LMAO !! .. actually .. this only happened twice ... none the Less ... in
this day and age of buzz word proliferation, ... technically ... I was
not canned ... I was PUSHED to a point where I'd retaliate ... :-) just
so that
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Sir,
Sure ... have you not heard ?? .. there's a new
MicroDaft product coming out soon .. it's called
... 'Deject' (or was that 'Reject' .. sorry don't
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I have NO idea what you are trying to say!
To me, this is ALL gibberish!
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On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 9:19 PM, Jim Thomas j...@thethomasresidence.us wrote:
How secure ?? .. web servers on the z/OS or z/Linux ??
For the moment .. I'd say %100.
You keep making assertions with no data to back them (MVS...has NEVER
been hacked or destroyed by an ex employee !!, now this).
On 8/20/2011 9:37 AM, zMan wrote:
In case it's escaped you: http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=%22kevin+mitnick%22
1.3M hits. Heavily covered by popular and trade press. Hardly obscure.
While I don't know about the others, MCI in the late seventies
was definitely running IBM systems (MVT up to 1978,
I don't really remember anything about Kevin Mitnick, but the name sounds
familiar. I probably knew about it, but forgot. I found the link below
very interesting. Personally, without knowing a whole lot about his crimes,
I'd have to say that any unauthorized computer usage should be
Eric Bielefeld wrote:
One thing about this list always bothered me. A small percent of
contributers, such as zMan, don't give their name. I'm sure many people have
good reasons. It's just harder to accept as fact emails from someone who
remains anonymous.
I agree, zMan (and many others) is
remember correctly.
Ed
From: Gerhard Postpischil gerh...@valley.net
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On 8/20/2011 9:37 AM, zMan wrote:
In case it's escaped you: http
On 8/20/2011 12:27 PM, Elardus Engelbrecht wrote:
I agree, zMan (and many others) is still anonymous despite
being asked, in IBM-MAIN many moons ago, for his/her/it
identity despite his famous signature line.
This looks like a good opportunity to nitpick. I consider a
contribution to be
On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 14:17:20 -0400, Gerhard Postpischil wrote:
Some installations are supersensitive, and may try to control
their employees even when off site, though in this day and age
this is getting to be more and more futile.
Or perhaps the opposite as it becomes increasingly difficult to
On 8/20/2011 12:28 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 14:17:20 -0400, Gerhard Postpischil wrote:
Some installations are supersensitive, and may try to control
their employees even when off site, though in this day and age
this is getting to be more and more futile.
Especially
Steve,
Amen to that. One place I worked was a nightmare. There were vp#39;s screaming
at each other in the aisles, Monday morning meetings from hell. We were
forbidden to talk to other groups. We had to ask permission to do anything.
Anything that was done was put under a microscope and
)
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On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 9:19 PM, Jim
Bielefeld
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I don't really remember anything about Kevin Mitnick, but the name sounds
familiar. I probably knew about it, but forgot. I found the link below
very interesting. Personally
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On 18 Aug 2011 14:00:39 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote:
--snip
In 07cd01cc5e46$fd962920$f8c27b60$@us, on 08/19/2011
at 03:07 AM, Jim Thomas j...@thethomasresidence.us said:
Firstly, in the mainframe world, even employees that were fired ..
as mad as they could be, are too professional to try petty tactics
While I've never encounterred sabotage by an ex
Hear hear!
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That said, I do fully admit that the PC's are good for what they were
engineered to be .. a PERSONAL computer, NOT a BUSINESS computer !!.
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Chuck,
That may well be the case, but, a lot (all?) of fixes put out by MS does not
inform anyone (like IBM fixes do) what the fixes are for (like integrity
issues) so you have no idea if you can apply just one for the issue. MS expects
you to put on a fix pack (equilivince of the old put
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I think this has inherently happened for decades, that happens
W dniu 2011-08-19 10:07, Jim Thomas pisze:
Folks,
Why does everybody insist on overlooking the obvious ??.
The hell with how quickly you apply fixes.
Agreed.
MVS (or OS/390 or z/OS or whatever you want to call it) has
NEVER been hacked or destroyed by an ex employee !!.
How do you know?
Sent from my iPhone
On 20/08/2011, at 5:27 AM, R.S. r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl wrote:
W dniu 2011-08-19 10:07, Jim Thomas pisze:
Folks,
Why does everybody insist on overlooking the obvious ??.
The hell with how quickly you apply fixes.
Agreed.
MVS (or OS/390 or z/OS or whatever
On 19 Aug 2011 08:53:51 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote:
Chuck,
That may well be the case, but, a lot (all?) of fixes put out by MS does not
inform anyone (like IBM fixes do) what the fixes are for (like integrity
issues) so you have no idea if you can apply just one for the issue.
/snip
MVS (or OS/390 or z/OS or whatever you want to call it) has
NEVER been hacked or destroyed by an ex employee !!.
How do you know?
Do you expect any financial company to make an advertisement Hello!
We're open for hackers!. I suspect that no company want do disclose it.
/endsnip
Please
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On 19 Aug 2011 08:53:51 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote:
Chuck,
That may well be the case, but, a lot (all?) of fixes put out by MS does
not inform anyone (like IBM fixes do) what the fixes are for (like integrity
issues) so you
On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 06:13:33 +0800
David Crayford dcrayf...@gmail.com wrote:
Sent from my iPhone
Maybe dodgy phones are susceptible too Dave ? ;-)
Shane ...
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On Wed, 17 Aug 2011 23:21:12 -0300, Clark Morris cfmpub...@ns.sympatico.ca
wrote:
The problem was the security culture ...
IMHO this is the real (and only) point to make about security.
While it is through that no system cares as much about system integrity (and
hence security) as zOS does,
Thank you for the correction.
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Didn't Bill Gates once say We are not going to make the same mistakes
On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 10:21 PM, Clark Morris
cfmpub...@ns.sympatico.ca wrote:
This person had a user-id and password with privileges. Think of the
harm someone with a system programmers id and privileges can do. For
those of you who have been at a number of shops, how many were really
--snip
This person had a user-id and password with privileges. Think of the
harm someone with a system programmers id and privileges can do. For
those of you who have been at a number of shops, how many were really
careful
--snip---
Didn't Bill Gates once say We are not going to make the same mistakes
those folks in the mainframe world did?
--unsnip-
I wonder what he considers mistakes ??
Rick
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-snip---
I also would almost guarantee
On 18 Aug 2011 14:00:39 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote:
--snip
This person had a user-id and password with privileges. Think of the
harm someone with a system programmers id and privileges can do. For
those of
http://www.itworld.com/it-managementstrategy/194445/fired-techie-created-virtual-chaos-pharma-company?source=ITWNLE_nlt_today_2011-08-17
(watch out for the wrap)
Fired techie created virtual chaos at pharma company
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Security is fun in the PC world
Non-sequitor. There is *NO SECURITY* in the PC world (IMO)
snip
http://www.itworld.com/it-managementstrategy/194445/fired-techie-created
-virtual-chaos-pharma-company?source=ITWNLE_nlt_today_2011-08-17
/snip
Ed Gould wrote:
http://www.itworld.com/it-managementstrategy/194445/fired-techie-created-virtual-chaos-pharma-company?source=ITWNLE_nlt_today_2011-08-17
(watch out for the wrap)
Fired techie created virtual chaos at pharma company
Rick,
I agree completely. The pcweenies just do not get it.
Ed
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On Wed, 17 Aug 2011 16:10:57 -0700, Ed Gould wrote:
I agree completely. The pcweenies just do not get it.
It'll really be fun when Windows runs on blades in the z. Mandated,
of course by CIOs taking airline magazine advice.
-- gil
On 17 Aug 2011 16:16:33 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote:
Rick,
I agree completely. The pcweenies just do not get it.
This person had a user-id and password with privileges. Think of the
harm someone with a system programmers id and privileges can do. For
those of you who have been
Good point.
I can#39;t speak for other shops but I was conscious and did all items you
listed plus any JES2 PTF#39;s went on ASAP. I only got bitten once with a JES2
PTF that screwed up the /@XMIT (@ SB asterix) which almost caused the market
not to open onetime.
Ed
I hope I will be dead and buried then as well.
Ed
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Didn't Bill Gates once say We are not going to make the same mistakes those
folks in the mainframe world did?
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Rick,
I
Didn't Bill Gates once say We are not going to make the same mistakes
those folks in the mainframe world did?
According to Bob Bemer, it was Ted Nelson who said it.
http://www.bobbemer.com/INSIDE-A.HTM
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