In a message dated 11/17/2006 2:36:56 P.M. Central Standard Time,
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the entire world refers to us as Americans -- and has for a couple
hundred years -- I don't see why it is somehow our failing.
We are not at fault for having this name, but we commit cultural
In a message dated 11/17/2006 2:37:18 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And the African Americans I know call themselves BLACK, COLORED or
PERSONS OF COLOR.
I have known at least three African Americans who were white. They were
whites born in Africa who moved to
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This thread reminds me of a discussion I had with my wife
during an automotive purchase outing. She was looking at the
Lexus. I like them too.
... Lexus ... multiples ... Lexipodes ???
On 16 Nov 2006 21:07:29 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Shane) wrote:
As others have said, history and common usage have won this one.
Who knows, given the accuracy of the maps of the time, maybe they
calculated The Antipodes Islands to be truly antipodal to Britain.
Didn't miss by much really.
I saw
On 16 Nov 2006 14:29:13 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ted MacNEIL)
wrote:
Don't blame the dictionary. Blame the degradation of common discourse.
However, language has been degrading forever. Every word in every
language has degraded from something before. Syntax has
degraded.
And every
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I'm sure you meant to write Native American instead of American
Indian, right? :-)
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The Native Americans that I know, mostly Ottawa and Oglala Sioux, are
offended by Native American. They will tell
On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 08:48:13 -0700, Howard Brazee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
However, language has been degrading forever.
I would contend that language has been *evolving* forever.
New features appear from time to time. Those that are useful are
retained. Old features that lose their
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I'm sure you meant to write Native American instead of
American Indian, right? :-)
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The Native
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Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 11:42 AM
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Subject: Re: Pedantry (was RE: Shane's antipodes)
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And the African Americans I know call themselves
I'm sure you meant to write Native American instead of American
Indian, right?
Native American may be PC, but a few years ago on vacation in Arizona,
we took a tour with a company owned and run by Indians, and our guide
clearly told us that they prefer to be called Indians. Of course, we
had
They are welcome to be as upset as they like, but considering that the entire
world refers to us as Americans -- and has for a couple hundred years -- I
don't see why it is somehow our failing. It is a legitimate shortening of the
name United States of America, just as Mexico is a a legitimate
On 17 Nov 2006 10:22:25 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (McKown, John)
wrote:
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And I have been old that the non-U.S. residents / citizens get a bit
upset that we claim the entire continent for ourselves. After all,
Canadians are AMERICANS, as are Mexicans, Peruvians, Brazilians, and all
On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 14:59:16 +, john gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Australians (and Tasmanians) cannot reasonably be deprived of exclusive
rights to the platypus/platypodes pair; but I am not prepared to surrender
the [antipus]/antipodes pair to them too. Like octopus/octopodes, it
Some clarifications, in no particular order:
The term 'antipus' may well now denote a pterosaur; it is, however, the
Greek and English singular of 'antipodes', as 'platypus' is the [Greek and
English] singular of 'platypodes'.
The Merriam-Webster dictionaries have, I suppose, legitimate uses
At the risk of being off-topic:
The Merriam-Webster dictionaries have, I suppose, legitimate uses in
schoolrooms, but their editorial bent is resolutely populist and
anti-intellectual. They, for example, list 'octopi', which is bog Latin,
instead of 'octopodes' as a legitimate plural of
On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 07:49:21 +1000, Shane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Walt, pulling John into line, wrote:
I know that, among other things, 'antipodes' is Britspeak
for 'Australia
and New Zealand', and thus legitimately plural; but I prefer the
definition that makes antipodes come only in
On Thu, 2006-11-16 at 17:47 +, john gilmore wrote:
The term 'antipus' may well now denote a pterosaur; it is, however, the
Greek and English singular of 'antipodes'
John, John, John ...
Surely you (of all people) are not trying to suggest Australia (or any
where else that constitutes a
Shane writes:
Whoa, better stop - ain't Friday yet, even here in the Antipodes.
I know that, among other things, 'antipodes' is Britspeak for 'Australia and
New Zealand', and thus legitimately plural; but I prefer the definition that
makes antipodes come only in opposed pairs (of points
On 11/15/2006 9:59 AM, john gilmore wrote:
Shane writes:
Whoa, better stop - ain't Friday yet, even here in the Antipodes.
I know that, among other things, 'antipodes' is Britspeak for 'Australia
and New Zealand', and thus legitimately plural; but I prefer the
definition that makes
Walt, pulling John into line, wrote:
I know that, among other things, 'antipodes' is Britspeak for 'Australia
and New Zealand', and thus legitimately plural; but I prefer the
definition that makes antipodes come only in opposed pairs (of points on
the surface of the earth connected
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