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W dniu 2011-12-24 18:43, Russell Witt pisze:
Not true at all. CA-Vtape can optionally use open system storage, but
it is not required. If you want to go directly from MF DASD/CACHE to tape -
that is an option.
Still true. I wrote about
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W dniu 2011-12-24 18:43, Russell Witt pisze:
Not true at all. CA-Vtape can optionally use open system storage, but
it is not required. If you want to go
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Russell,
Thanks for your reply. I must admit to being somewhat
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Russell
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W dniu 2011-12-24 18:43, Russell Witt
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Russell Witt
CA 1 L2 Support Manager
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Russell,
Thanks for your reply. I must admit
,
Linda
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Radoslaw,
Sorry, the only link is to the SHARE web-site to lookup presentations.
http
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Subject: Re: Tapeless Solutions
W dniu 2011-12-24 10:50, Tommy Tsui pisze:
It seems the only choice for enterprise tapeless solution is only vsm
or 7720, anyone will consider bustech or ca-tape software solution
what is pros and cons
Well, I never said that. BusTech MDL is also
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Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 10:27 AM
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Ron,
As a backstore device, yes. As the primary cache it might be a little slow
It seems the only choice for enterprise tapeless solution is only vsm or
7720, anyone will consider bustech or ca-tape software solution what is
pros and cons
On 2011-12-24 上午8:52, R.S. r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl wrote:
W dniu 2011-12-23 20:44, Cosby, Bob - OCFO pisze:
At the time of this
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W dniu 2011-12-24 10:50, Tommy Tsui pisze:
It seems the only choice for enterprise tapeless solution is only
Of
Russell Witt
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 4:31 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] Tapeless Solutions
While the cache is MF DASD (which gives it great performance when writing and
reading from cache), CA-Vtape now has the ability to be offloaded to cheaper
dasd
Our shop currently use vts b20 and there is no way migrate to Vts 7720 .
Any shop replace b20 vts with other tapeless solutions such emc bustech or
sun storgtek vsm solution or 7720.
On 2011-12-23 下午7:27, Ron Hawkins ronjhawk...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Russell,
Do you think that CA-Vtape would
: Tapeless Solutions
Russell,
Do you think that CA-Vtape would also be a good fit with large capacity
SAS/SATA array groups, or virtualized midrange storage arrays presented as
Mainframe volumes (3390A)?
Ron
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Our shop currently use vts b20 and there is no way migrate to Vts 7720 .
Any shop replace b20 vts with other tapeless solutions such emc bustech or
sun storgtek vsm solution or 7720.
On 2011-12-23 下午7:27, Ron Hawkins ronjhawk...@sbcglobal.net
W dniu 2011-12-23 19:20, Cosby, Bob - OCFO pisze:
We replaced 10 STK silos with a VSM/SL8500; instead of shipping 2,500 - 3,000
3490 tapes to Iron Mountain
for Disaster Recovery on a daily basis we are now shipping less than 100 9840
high capacity tapes.
High capacity?
9840D - 75GB (native)
Timothy:
Semi off topic but germane to your entry.
LONG LONG ago (and in New Jersey) the company I worked for had opened
a data center building and was going to bring in new IBM mainframe.
The company had hired a bunch of experts from a company that was
relocating.
The people came out and
12:48 PM
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Subject: Re: Tapeless Solutions
W dniu 2011-12-23 19:20, Cosby, Bob - OCFO pisze:
We replaced 10 STK silos with a VSM/SL8500; instead of shipping 2,500 - 3,000
3490 tapes to Iron Mountain
for Disaster Recovery on a daily basis we are now shipping less than 100
W dniu 2011-12-23 20:44, Cosby, Bob - OCFO pisze:
At the time of this tape implementation we were utilizing 3490 1.8gbs tapes and
9849C 20gbs uncompressed /40gbs
compressed tapes so by definition 75gbs uncompressed I would consider that to
be High capacity;
At the same time you had T1 (A)
W dniu 2011-12-22 06:42, Timothy Sipples pisze:
Now that I think about it, if the door to your data center isn't tall
enough, IBM has a solution. Your new mainframe can be shipped topless,
although that's not the exact term for it. Topless mainframe shipment is
not recommended unless you really
Radoslaw Skorupka wrote:
I think it's typical gap between shining theory and stinking practice. ;-)
G r o a n ! ! ! ;-D
Lets me think of this saying:
Persons never having a child have 1001 shining theories on how to raise a
baby/toddler/teenager/wannabe-adult
Persons with a child (one or
some real tape drives for
tertiary backups.
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Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 2:36 PM
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Does anyone know of an IBM completely
Heh
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Am I the only one who read the subject line too quickly, mentally
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Yes, I also read it as TOPLESS, so I smile.
I hope I did not make to myself bad name, more then before.
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 7:58 AM, Timothy Sipples
timothy.sipp...@us.ibm.com
wrote:
Am I the only one who read the subject line too
of
any vendor offering a topless solution for our tape processing.
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Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 12:48 AM
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Yes
You're not the only one, I did the same thing.
Bobbie Jo Justice
Am I the only one who read the subject line too quickly, mentally
substituting an o for the a and dropping the first e?
I must be regressing.
On 22/12/2011 07:06 AM, Bobbie Justice wrote:
You're not the only one, I did the same thing.
Bobbie Jo Justice
Am I the only one who read the subject line too quickly, mentally
substituting an o for the a and dropping the first e?
Obviously a few salacious people on the list :-)
Now that I think about it, if the door to your data center isn't tall
enough, IBM has a solution. Your new mainframe can be shipped topless,
although that's not the exact term for it. Topless mainframe shipment is
not recommended unless you really do have an unavoidably short entry door
since IBM
W dniu 2011-12-19 23:52, Henke, George pisze:
Offloading VTAPE to zIIP would not be so bad, no?
No.
(my opinion)
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From: shai hess shai.h...@gmail.com
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Subject: Re: Tapeless Solutions
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 07:52:14 +0200
MFNetDisk also support tapeless solution for emulated tapes.
MFNetDisk tape
George,
Does it have to be IBM? Per Radoslaw's last post, we are using Bustech MDL
1000 with Data Domain back end storage. We are a fairly small shop, and up to
2 weeks ago we had about 5 TBs of data on tape. Most of that was Mobius View
Direct archives. We just went through the Arcmover
Am I the only one who read the subject line too quickly, mentally
substituting an o for the a and dropping the first e?
I must be regressing.
Timothy Sipples
Resident Enterprise Architect
Yes, I also read it as TOPLESS, so I smile.
I hope I did not make to myself bad name, more then before.
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 7:58 AM, Timothy Sipples timothy.sipp...@us.ibm.com
wrote:
Am I the only one who read the subject line too quickly, mentally
substituting an o for the a and dropping
Will CA VTAPE work on regular MF or does it need the DS8800.
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Linda Mooney
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 8:38 PM
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Subject: Re: Tapeless Solutions
Hi George
W dniu 2011-12-19 23:02, Henke, George pisze:
Will CA VTAPE work on regular MF or does it need the DS8800.
What???
CA VTAPE is from software being sold by CA. DS8800 is a DASD box being
sold by IBM.
CA VTAPE works on any mainframe DASD.
I don't know what does it mean work on regular MF.
/2011
04:02:41 PM:
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Date: 12/19/2011 04:13 PM
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Will CA VTAPE work on regular MF or does it need the DS8800.
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Offloading VTAPE to zIIP would not be so bad, no?
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W dniu 2011-12-19 23:02, Henke
While the cache is MF DASD (which gives it great performance when writing and
reading from cache), CA-Vtape now has the ability to be offloaded to cheaper
dasd that is attached through an NFS Server (such as NetApp or Data Domain).
And you even have the flexability of having the offload copy go
MFNetDisk also support tapeless solution for emulated tapes.
MFNetDisk tape emulation let you select MFNetDisk tape manager soultion or
CA or IBM or any other tape manager solution.
MF only trasfer the data and the CCW commands to PC and by that reduce the
CPU utilization in MF.
The PC emulates
In
04b3da7b71b3ab408ca62ba6046bcf8f23d485b...@gvw0676exc.americas.hpqcorp.net,
on 12/16/2011
at 08:35 PM, Henke, George george.he...@hp.com said:
Does anyone know of an IBM completely tapeless solution
Solution to what? Hot backup is a tapeless solution to off-site
backup, but I have no idea
I know it's not IBM, but FYI, we converted earlier this year to a
DataDomain DD510 (now EMC) data deplucation system with a Luminex
gateway (tape emulation). We have 21.3 TB stored on a 3.6 tb box (actual
utiization is 2.9 tb (7.4x compression/dedup).
There where no JCL changes, new tapes are
management (CA-1)? I don't think so.
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Henke, George george.he
Does anyone know of an IBM completely tapeless solution and what it might cost?
I have heard of the TS7740, but it holds only 6 TB per draw.
We have 750 TB on tape.
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Yes...
It is called the TS7720. We have three of them in a Grid Configutation, I
believe that each frame could accomodate up to 162 TB of storage (without
compression). You should talk to your IBM rep for the exact specs.
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Does anyone know of an IBM completely tapeless solution and what it might cost?
I have heard of the TS7740, but it holds only 6 TB per draw.
We have 750 TB on tape
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Does anyone know of an IBM completely tapeless solution and what it
might cost?
I have heard of the TS7740, but it holds only 6 TB per draw.
We have 750 TB
Does the DS8800 do tape management (CA-1)? I don't think so.
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Does the DS8800 do tape management (CA-1)? I don't think so.
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the DS8800 do tape management (CA-1)? I don't think so.
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Henke
IBM TS7680 ProtecTIER Deduplication Gateway for System z might be a
candidate. It holds up to 1PB (1,000TB) data with data deduplication.
http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/storage/tape/ts7680/index.html
Minoru Massaki (M*M)
2011/12/17 Henke, George george.he...@hp.com:
Does anyone know of an IBM
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