Re: PDSE versus PDS

2010-10-22 Thread John McKown
On Fri, 2010-10-22 at 07:44 -0400, Veilleux, Jon L wrote: > Which is a terrible idea when it comes to security. Combining DATA and > PROGRAMs in one directory can open you up to a lot of integrity issues. > If the data is read-only and the directory read/execute other than to the owner, why woul

Re: When will MVS be able to use cheap dasd

2010-10-22 Thread Gerhard Postpischil
On 10/22/2010 3:29 AM, R.S. wrote: Well... Since we talk about FBA drives, then reliationship to 3390 track size is simply irrelevant. I don't know what google searching results you've seen, but IMHO no consideration applies to FBA, especially because most OS'es does not address single sector, th

Re: When will MVS be able to use cheap dasd

2010-10-22 Thread Gerhard Postpischil
On 10/22/2010 7:54 AM, Tom Marchant wrote: A single 512 byte block on a 3390 uses less than 1% of the 56,664 byte capacity of the track. At 512 bytes, 49 blocks will fit on a 3390 track, utilizing 44% of the track capacity. Sometimes making oneself look foolish has good consequences. The prog

Re: Status of Windows XP and Windows 7 [non-TSR]

2010-10-22 Thread Charles Mills
A thousand pardons. Sent to wrong e-mail address. Charles From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 2:54 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Status of Windows XP and Windows 7 [non-TSR]

Status of Windows XP and Windows 7 [non-TSR]

2010-10-22 Thread Charles Mills
Re: recent discussions here: Happy Birthday Windows 7: one year old today. 1. As indicated here, it is impossible now to buy a new PC with Windows XP: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/no-more-windows-xp-preloads-allowed-on-n ew-pcs/7797?tag=nl.e589 2. As indicated here, peo

Re: Storage usage in a job

2010-10-22 Thread Mike Schwab
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Veilleux, Jon L wrote: > I wish I could find it but I am not having any luck today. I had found a > specific reference to that happening, somewhere, but I will retire that > opinion for lack of corroborating evidence. > Everyone have a great weekend. > The real p

Re: PDSE versus PDS

2010-10-22 Thread Tony Harminc
On 22 October 2010 16:08, Paul Gilmartin wrote: > On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 12:58:05 -0700, Charles Mills wrote: >> >>A PDSE can hold program objects that are effortlessly converted to >>conventional load modules when you copy them to a PDS. How's that? >> >>From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:i

Re: PDSE versus PDS

2010-10-22 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 12:58:05 -0700, Charles Mills wrote: > >A PDSE can hold program objects that are effortlessly converted to >conventional load modules when you copy them to a PDS. How's that? > >From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf >Of Tom Marchant >Sent: F

Re: PDSE versus PDS

2010-10-22 Thread Charles Mills
Well, you're right, I stand corrected: SAVE OPERATION SUMMARY: LOAD LIBRARY..LOADPDSE PROGRAM TYPEPROGRAM OBJECT(FORMAT 5 OS COMPAT LEVEL z/OS V1R8 ) A PDSE can hold program objects that are effortlessly converted to conv

Re: Storage usage in a job

2010-10-22 Thread Veilleux, Jon L
I wish I could find it but I am not having any luck today. I had found a specific reference to that happening, somewhere, but I will retire that opinion for lack of corroborating evidence. Everyone have a great weekend. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-

Re: Tapeutilization parameter question

2010-10-22 Thread O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
Upon re-reading Bob's post below, I realize that I don't have a problem. The 3590 drives are not emulating 3490s so according to the manual capacitymode will be ignored. Thank You, Dave O'Brien NIH Contractor From: O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C] Sent: Fr

Re: Storage usage in a job

2010-10-22 Thread Joel C. Ewing
I doubt the likelihood of transient "insufficient storage" fetch failures after linklst activation, both because I have never seen an instance and because it doesn't make logical sense that this should be so unless there is an APARable bug in the linklist activate code. Previously running addr

Re: Storage usage in a job

2010-10-22 Thread Tom Marchant
On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 07:55:41 -0400, Veilleux, Jon L wrote: >I am trying to find the specific reference, but I saw IBM entries >stating that there is a span of time after a second linklist set is >activated that there can be this type of fetch errors and yes it >does say that they are due to ins

Re: Tapeutilization parameter question

2010-10-22 Thread O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
OK, had my h/w config guy create an esoteric that included addresses at both the local and remote sites. Recycle successfully allocated input, output and duplex correctly with SMC Tapereq statements directing the allocations. However Capacitymode is still **none**. I'm using the following defi

Re: Tapeutilization parameter question

2010-10-22 Thread O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
Hi Bob, Thanks for responding. I was using an esoteric but only the local drives were defined. Realized what the problem was right after posting, naturally. Thank You, Dave O'Brien NIH Contractor From: Richards, Robert B. [robert.richa...@opm.gov] S

Re: Tapeutilization parameter question

2010-10-22 Thread Richards, Robert B.
The CAPACITYMODE subparameter is valid when all the following are true: * CAPACITYMODE is used in conjunction with UNITTYPE * The subparameter of UNITTYPE is an esoteric that is specified through SETSYS USERUNITTABLE * The UNITTYPE contains only IBM 3590 drives that are emulating IBM

Tapeutilization parameter question

2010-10-22 Thread O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
I'm obviously missing something here. Parmlib has the following entry: SETSYS - TAPEUTILIZATION (UNITTYPE(3590-1) - CAPACITYMODE(EXTENDED) - PERCENTFULL(97)) TAPESPANSIZE(2000) HSM initializes without any obvious problem but Q Sets

Unsolicited message trapping (Was: PPO)

2010-10-22 Thread Chris Mason
Tonni As indicated by the Subject line change, PPO is not the only way that, typically in order to automate or perhaps to have a consolidated log, you can "trap" messages, including VTAM, IST..., messages. It's possible your colleague has misled you by mentioning "PPO". "PPO" is a way of "trap

Compromised email account

2010-10-22 Thread David Purdy
Apologies to all. My AOL account was compromised, and several listers received bogus email messages. This has been fixed. David -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.

Re: PDSE versus PDS

2010-10-22 Thread R.S.
Joel C. Ewing pisze: [...] Re HFS/ZFS file-level security: But isn't default security in UNIX normally inherited from the directory level? No. It usually takes a place in Windows or Novell, and in fact does not mean that inheritance must be used. In Unix world file attributes are "inherited

Re: SPAM-LOW: Re: CA-OPS/MVS to IBM's System Automation?

2010-10-22 Thread John McKown
The reason to convert would be money. We would be forced to do the conversion in house, or not at all. -- John McKown Maranatha! <>< Sent from my Vibrant Android phone. On Oct 22, 2010 6:24 AM, "Marc Heimlich" wrote: SFI (www.streamfoundry.com) has done 3 TSA migrations in the last six months.

Re: PDSE versus PDS

2010-10-22 Thread R.S.
Veilleux, Jon L pisze: Yes, security is at the file level, but there are way too many tasks and users that 'need' UID0 and can, therefore, bypass file-level security. But this is unrelated to the previous sentence about keeping programs and other files in common directory. -- Radoslaw Skoru

Re: When will MVS be able to use cheap dasd

2010-10-22 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 06:54:24 -0500, Tom Marchant wrote: >On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 02:52:00 -0400, Gerhard Postpischil wrote: > >>block size of 512 uses less than 1% of a track on a 3390. 4K >>uses 86%, which is tolerable. > >A single 512 byte block on a 3390 uses less than 1% of the 56,664 >byte capaci

Re: PDSE versus PDS

2010-10-22 Thread Joel C. Ewing
On 10/22/2010 07:32 AM, Tom Marchant wrote: On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 08:13:36 -0400, Veilleux, Jon L wrote: Because, usually data files are R/W and PROGRAM files should be R/O to prevent inadvertent (or not) updates should someone be able to bypass the UNIX security bits on the files. As Radoslaw

Re: PPO

2010-10-22 Thread Tonni J Ottosen
Chris - Thanks a lot! The confusing thing here is about a new customer coming in. We are trying to figure out how automation and monitoring network connections are handled. A colleague claims that OPS/MVS is PPO. I did exactly what you suggest and made a search in VTAMLST for 'PPO' and found only

Re: PDSE versus PDS

2010-10-22 Thread Veilleux, Jon L
Yes, security is at the file level, but there are way too many tasks and users that 'need' UID0 and can, therefore, bypass file-level security. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Tom Marchant Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 8:

Re: PPO

2010-10-22 Thread Chris Mason
Tonni > Can an application be PPO without an open ACB with AUTH=PPO i. e. OPS/MVS? No. >From the description of the AUTH operand in the z/OS Communications Server Resource Definition Reference manual: AUTH=(NOACQ,NOASDP,NOCNM,NOPASS,NOPO,NOTSO,VPACE) ... AUTH=PPO AUTH=SPO AUTH=NOPO Spec

Re: PDSE versus PDS

2010-10-22 Thread Tom Marchant
On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 08:13:36 -0400, Veilleux, Jon L wrote: >Because, usually data files are R/W and PROGRAM files should be R/O to prevent inadvertent (or not) updates should someone be able to bypass the UNIX security bits on the files. As Radoslaw mentioned, security in an HFS/ZFS is at the fil

Re: PDSE versus PDS

2010-10-22 Thread Veilleux, Jon L
Because, usually data files are R/W and PROGRAM files should be R/O to prevent inadvertent (or not) updates should someone be able to bypass the UNIX security bits on the files. I guess I am a suspenders and belt person when it comes to security and integrity. I just think that it is a bad idea

Re: PDSE versus PDS

2010-10-22 Thread R.S.
Veilleux, Jon L pisze: Which is a terrible idea when it comes to security. Combining DATA and PROGRAMs in one directory can open you up to a lot of integrity issues. Not quite, because you can set security at file level. Caution: in fact we don't talk here about operational data, rather quiva

Re: PDSE versus PDS

2010-10-22 Thread Tom Marchant
On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 07:44:56 -0400, Veilleux, Jon L wrote: >Combining DATA and PROGRAMs in one directory can open you >up to a lot of integrity issues. Can it? Why? -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archi

Re: Storage usage in a job

2010-10-22 Thread Veilleux, Jon L
I am trying to find the specific reference, but I saw IBM entries stating that there is a span of time after a second linklist set is activated that there can be this type of fetch errors and yes it does say that they are due to insufficient storage. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainfra

Re: When will MVS be able to use cheap dasd

2010-10-22 Thread Tom Marchant
On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 02:52:00 -0400, Gerhard Postpischil wrote: >block size of 512 uses less than 1% of a track on a 3390. 4K >uses 86%, which is tolerable. A single 512 byte block on a 3390 uses less than 1% of the 56,664 byte capacity of the track. Twelve 4096 byte blocks (the most that will f

Re: PDSE versus PDS

2010-10-22 Thread Veilleux, Jon L
Which is a terrible idea when it comes to security. Combining DATA and PROGRAMs in one directory can open you up to a lot of integrity issues. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010

Re: PDSE versus PDS

2010-10-22 Thread Tom Marchant
On Thu, 21 Oct 2010 14:59:18 -0700, Charles Mills wrote: >Conventional load modules can live in PDSEs. Not quite. You can copy a load module from a PDS to a PDSE and IEBCOPY converts it into a program object. -- Tom Marchant -

Re: SPAM-LOW: Re: CA-OPS/MVS to IBM's System Automation?

2010-10-22 Thread Marc Heimlich
SFI (www.streamfoundry.com) has done 3 TSA migrations in the last six months. We can help. Marc heiml...@streamfoundry.com --Original Message-- From: Andreas Steinberg Sender: IBM-MAIN To: IBM-MAIN ReplyTo: IBM-MAIN Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: CA-OPS/MVS to IBM's System Automation? Sent: Oct

PPO

2010-10-22 Thread Tonni J Ottosen
Hi - I have a confusing situation which causes me to ask some questions about PPO (Primary Program Operator). How can I determine who is PPO? Can an application be PPO without an open ACB with AUTH=PPO i. e. OPS/MVS? What happens if two applications competes to become PPO? Thanks - Venlig hi

Re: CA-OPS/MVS to IBM's System Automation?

2010-10-22 Thread Andreas Steinberg
John, we did it 5 years ago with a lot of help by consultants. Because we dropped NetView off before that, it came back again through the backdoor. And because of the pricing model we were not amused. IMHO many things are easier using OPS, some don't work, so you need to have System Automation if y

Re: When will MVS be able to use cheap dasd

2010-10-22 Thread R.S.
Gerhard Postpischil pisze: On 10/22/2010 2:24 AM, R.S. wrote: Reasons: - 4096 is only 8 times more than 20+ years old 512. Although single disk capacity does not grow so rapidly as it was few years ago, but it will grow. So, 4k could become too small as 512B became. Sometimes bigger is better.