On Wed, 2 May 2012 22:39:45 -0700, Edward Jaffe wrote:
On 5/2/2012 7:33 PM, Scott Ford wrote:
So how do you protect code, whatever language you have written in , in
business ?
You must treat it as trade secret information.
Not quite the point. Suppose someone wanted to create a product
, with his own expression.
Charles
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Charles,
Functionality of the language ? Not being dense, but you functionally what
the programming language does in the app or functionally what it does, I.e.;
read files
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All,
So how do you protect code, whatever language you have written in , in business
?
Without copyright, doesn't it imply , people can
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All,
So how do you
On Wed, 2 May 2012 10:49:18 -0700, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org wrote:
Can one replicate the 'look and feel' without copyright issues in the EU
now?
I might add that look and feel might be subject to copyright protection.
Copyright, again, protects *expression.*
If I wrote a z/OS system
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In 14d901cd2887$312cfba0$9386f2e0$@mcn.org, on 05/02/2012
at 10:15 AM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org said:
Patents are very hard to get
Would that that were true. USPTO fails to exclude patents that should
be invalid due to, e.g., prior art.
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In 14d901cd2887$312cfba0$9386f2e0$@mcn.org, on 05/02/2012
at 10:15 AM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org said
Charles Mills has made the operative distinction very clear, but let
me try another analogy.
Think of yourself, briefly, as Shakespeare.
You have written Sonnet XXX,
When to the sessions of sweet silent thought
I sigh the lack of many a thing I sought.
Then can I . . .
. . .
You, Shakespeare,
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at 10:15 AM, Charles Mills charl
On Thu, 3 May 2012 06:43:45 -0700, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org wrote:
Right, Walt. Their claims fly in the face of precedent as I understand it.
They are trying to claim than any implementation of Java is a derivative
work (see earlier posts in this thread) of the Java specifications. I
have copyright protection, EU court
rules
On Thu, 3 May 2012 06:43:45 -0700, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org wrote:
Right, Walt. Their claims fly in the face of precedent as I understand it.
They are trying to claim than any implementation of Java is a
derivative work (see earlier posts
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Charles Mills has made the operative distinction very clear, but let me try
another analogy.
Think of yourself, briefly, as Shakespeare.
You have written Sonnet XXX,
When to the sessions
: Programming languages can't have copyright protection, EU court
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Charles Mills has made the operative distinction very clear, but let me try
another analogy.
Think of yourself, briefly, as Shakespeare.
You have written Sonnet XXX,
When to the sessions of sweet silent thought I sigh
: Thursday, May 03, 2012 11:59 AM
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Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't this about Google
imbedding java in their operating system on phones ?
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Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't this about Google
imbedding
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Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't this about Google
imbedding java in their operating system on phones
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copyright protection, EU court
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I'm not a lawyer and don't pretend to understand the ramifications, but this
sounds huge.
The result is that the court finds that ideas and principles which underlie
any element of a computer program are not protected by copyright under that
directive, only
: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 10:16 AM
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Lots of confusion here.
1. US and EU are of course different. Laws and precedents don't matter much
from one to the other.
2. Copyright in the US has never
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Lots of confusion here.
1. US and EU are of course different. Laws and precedents don't
This is not the code. This is the language specification. Someone
could write their own version of your product. Then users could buy
their application instead of yours and run their programs.
On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 9:33 PM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com wrote:
All,
So how do you
, and interactive debugger.
Charles
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On 5/2/2012 7:33 PM, Scott Ford wrote:
So how do you protect code, whatever language you have written in , in business
?
You must treat it as trade secret information.
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copyright protection, EU court
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This is not the code. This is the language specification. Someone could
write their own version of your product. Then users could buy their
application instead of yours and run their programs.
On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 9:33 PM, Scott Ford scott_j_f
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