Re: Virtual (was: IBM PR: System z Announcement ...)

2008-10-19 Thread Mark Post
>>> On 10/19/2008 at 9:50 AM, in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 10/17/2008 >at 07:34 AM, Shane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > >>When (if) a zSeries KVM kernel module appears, > > KVM? The are no display, keyboard

Re: Virtual (was: IBM PR: System z Announcement ...)

2008-10-19 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 10/17/2008 at 07:34 AM, Shane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >When (if) a zSeries KVM kernel module appears, KVM? The are no display, keyboard or mouse ports to virtualize. >z/VM is no longer an absolute requirement for zLinux virtualization. It never was, but it suppor

Re: Virtual (was: IBM PR: System z Announcement ...)

2008-10-17 Thread Mark Post
>>> On 10/17/2008 at 9:02 AM, in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jon Brock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Can anybody get to this document? It keeps coming up as corrupted for > me. When I uploaded the presentations for SHARE 111, I did a test download on all of them. Somehow this one is now getti

Re: Virtual (was: IBM PR: System z Announcement ...)

2008-10-17 Thread Bruno Sugliani
On Fri, 17 Oct 2008 04:19:38 -0500, Jan Vanbrabant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Bruno, >Is this within a single CEC or multi-CEC ? Multi CEC One physical server is in computer room 1 the target server is in computer room 2 ( of course short distance between computer rooms because of latency) Da

Re: Virtual (was: IBM PR: System z Announcement ...)

2008-10-17 Thread Jan Vanbrabant
sent offline to Jon. jan >- Oorspronkelijk bericht - >Van : Jon Brock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Verzonden : vrijdag , oktober 17, 2008 03:02 PM >Aan : IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU >Onderwerp : Re: Virtual (was: IBM PR: System z Announcement ...) > >Can anybody get to th

Re: Virtual (was: IBM PR: System z Announcement ...)

2008-10-17 Thread Jon Brock
Can anybody get to this document? It keeps coming up as corrupted for me. Musta been around Chuckie too long. That would corrupt anybody. Jon An early prototype of this sort of technology has been demonstrated at the last few SHAREs. z/VM Live Guest Migration: http://www.linuxvm.org/Prese

Re: Virtual (was: IBM PR: System z Announcement ...)

2008-10-17 Thread Phil Smith III
Thomas Kern wrote, re guest migration: >I thought the early prototype of this was the Single-System-Image code >written at University of Waterloo back in the early 1980's. Now why would you think that? Just because Romney wrote both of them... ;-) The SSI SWITCH command was a lot of fun. It moved

Re: Virtual (was: IBM PR: System z Announcement ...)

2008-10-17 Thread Jan Vanbrabant
>Re. Bruno Sugliani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >saying Thu, 16 Oct 2008 12:02:54 -0500 >about VMWare: > >It is an Hypervisor with some extremely sophisticated features ( drag >and drop of a partition from one machine to another ) >http://www.vmware.com/products/vi/esx/ >It helps us a lot to run servers

Re: Virtual (was: IBM PR: System z Announcement ...)

2008-10-16 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:10:29 -0600, Mark Post wrote: > >> I glanced at Sine Nomine's page about OpenSolaris for Z. There's a >> prominent restriction that it runs only under z/VM, not in an LPAR. > >It uses a lot of features for various reasons, not just the DASD code. The >design goal from the

Re: Virtual (was: IBM PR: System z Announcement ...)

2008-10-16 Thread Shane
On Thu, 2008-10-16 at 12:16 -0500, Rich Smrcina wrote: > > That is something that I thought was very interesting. It is not as > > necessary on a single z. But it would be wonderful if a multi-CEC > > environment could transparently move a guest from a z/VM on one system to a > > z/VM on a differe

Re: Virtual (was: IBM PR: System z Announcement ...)

2008-10-16 Thread Mark Post
> No. BTDT. It depends on requirements for HW quality. Intel penguin farm > could mean high-end xSeries or blades, or simply bunch of regular PCs > (see Google). Actually, it's not the hardware costs that make the TCO comparison favorable to System z Linux. It's typically the savings in softwa

Re: Virtual (was: IBM PR: System z Announcement ...)

2008-10-16 Thread Thomas Kern
I thought the early prototype of this was the Single-System-Image code written at University of Waterloo back in the early 1980's. I tried to convince management that it would be cheaper to use it to glue together a slew of surplus 4341s than some of the other alternatives. /Tom Kern On Thu, 16

Re: Virtual (was: IBM PR: System z Announcement ...)

2008-10-16 Thread Rich Smrcina
John McKown wrote: That is something that I thought was very interesting. It is not as necessary on a single z. But it would be wonderful if a multi-CEC environment could transparently move a guest from a z/VM on one system to a z/VM on a different system without the necessity of any kind of an o

Re: Virtual (was: IBM PR: System z Announcement ...)

2008-10-16 Thread John McKown
On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 12:02:54 -0500, Bruno Sugliani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 10:21:15 -0500, Chase, John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >>Does VMWare run on "bare metal" yet? >> >Yes since quite some time >And it is an Hypervisor with some extremely sophisticated features (

Re: Virtual (was: IBM PR: System z Announcement ...)

2008-10-16 Thread Bruno Sugliani
On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 10:21:15 -0500, Chase, John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Does VMWare run on "bare metal" yet? > Yes since quite some time And it is an Hypervisor with some extremely sophisticated features ( drag and drop of a partition from one machine to another ) http://www.vmware.com/prod

Re: Virtual (was: IBM PR: System z Announcement ...)

2008-10-16 Thread Chase, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin > > On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 08:26:44 -0500, John McKown wrote: > > > > Also, z/VM still makes VMWare look sick and immature. > > > Understood. But is this because z/VM does a superior job of providing > vir

Re: Virtual (was: IBM PR: System z Announcement ...)

2008-10-16 Thread John McKown
On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:52:24 -0500, Rich Smrcina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Paul Gilmartin wrote: >> >> Is OpenSolaris for z eligible for IFL? > >I don't expect OpenSolaris is tied to the underlying processor, except for architecture >level. So IFL or standard processor, it shouldn't matter. > >

Re: Virtual (was: IBM PR: System z Announcement ...)

2008-10-16 Thread Rich Smrcina
Paul Gilmartin wrote: Is OpenSolaris for z eligible for IFL? I don't expect OpenSolaris is tied to the underlying processor, except for architecture level. So IFL or standard processor, it shouldn't matter. -- Rich Smrcina VM Assist, Inc. Phone: 414-491-6001 Ans Service: 360-715-2467 ri

Virtual (was: IBM PR: System z Announcement ...)

2008-10-16 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 08:26:44 -0500, John McKown wrote: > > Also, z/VM still makes VMWare look sick and immature. > Understood. But is this because z/VM does a superior job of providing virtual images of the underlying hardware, or because z/VM provides images of an architecture superior to that ha