Re: Somewhat Interesting Mainframe Article

2017-10-14 Thread Edward Gould
> On Oct 14, 2017, at 8:50 PM, Clark Morris wrote: > > > As a retired systems programmer and applications programmer analyst > whose primary languages were COBOL and Assembler, I have serious > doubts about that statistic. There have been many successful >

Re: Somewhat Interesting Mainframe Article

2017-10-14 Thread Clark Morris
[Default] On 14 Oct 2017 15:39:09 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main st...@stevebeaver.com (Steve Beaver) wrote: >There are 15 trillion lines of COBOL As a retired systems programmer and applications programmer analyst whose primary languages were COBOL and Assembler, I have serious doubts

Re: ShopZ order response

2017-10-14 Thread Phil Smith
Ed Gould wrote: >I was never in the loop about Sterling Forest, but didn't they have a fire >that ruined pretty much all of their tapes? >This had to be in the 1980's (Think). I actually ordered the source from them >one time and I think it was a renumber subcommand of basic. No idea, sorry!

Re: CCKD (was: Transfer a large number of sequential file from mainframe ...)

2017-10-14 Thread Graham Harris
>o Is there a z/OS utility to generate a CCKD? Or, would it be necessary to run > Hecules in a Linux guest to which the source volume could be ATTACHed? http://www.bsp-gmbh.com/turnkey/cookbook/hercules/cckddasd.html#cckddump On 12 October 2017 at 17:26, Paul Gilmartin <

Re: Somewhat Interesting Mainframe Article

2017-10-14 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 17:40:19 -0500, Steve Beaver wrote: >There are 15 trillion lines of COBOL > That's a couple thousand lines of COBOL for every human being on earth. Sounds high. How does it factor? How many programmers wrote an average of how many lines each? Do you count lines

Re: Somewhat Interesting Mainframe Article

2017-10-14 Thread Steve Beaver
There are 15 trillion lines of COBOL -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of scott Ford Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2017 4:00 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Somewhat Interesting Mainframe Article Tom, I have

Re: Somewhat Interesting Mainframe Article

2017-10-14 Thread scott Ford
Tom, I have people who think pcs can do everything. They don't consider what a z/OS system can do. Many of us yes I am in this group, I am 67 ..the word expiring is a bit odd. Scott On Oct 14, 2017, 3:35 PM -0400, Tom Brennan , wrote: > Very good article, but I

Re: Somewhat Interesting Mainframe Article

2017-10-14 Thread Tom Brennan
Very good article, but I wish he would stop using the term "expiring". I agree with most everything except for COBOL modularization. Instead, I think good (re)documentation can solve many source code issues without the risk of changing things you know very little about. esst...@juno.com

Re: ShopZ order response

2017-10-14 Thread David W Noon
On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 20:46:36 -0400, Tony Harminc (t...@harminc.net) wrote about "Re: ShopZ order response" (in ): > On 13 October 2017 at 18:47, Phil Smith III wrote: > >> Anyone know if Sterling Forest still

Re: ShopZ order response

2017-10-14 Thread Phil Smith
Tony Harminc wrote: >Also in 2004 I was surprised to see a short string of 3420 drives, all >powered up and lights on, at one of our UK banking customers. I asked, >and it seems they were used only for data exchange. A nightly courier >would arrive from each of the other big banks with tapes, and

Somewhat Interesting Mainframe Article

2017-10-14 Thread esst...@juno.com
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Re: git, z/OS and COBOL

2017-10-14 Thread scott Ford
We use GIT for source as I stated above. I feel the learning curve is a bit much. But there are a couple interactive learning tutorials that a feel are good. The 'fly in the ointment' is when you have done a 'commit,push' and have one approval for a pull request. Like any other source mgmt