Re: Tape problem

2020-01-15 Thread Brian Westerman
It's not normally a CA-1 caused problem. This is "normally" caused when tapes are added to the VTS and you forget to update the ROBTY and VENDOR fields so tht when a tape is used (and scratched) that CA-1 can tell the VTS and OAM that it's again available. Someone always forgets to do this at

Re: Tape problem

2020-01-15 Thread Vernooij, Kees (ITOP NM) - KLM
You can run the CA-1 CTSSYNC utility, to synchronize the TCDB from the TMC. Kees. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Nai, Dean Sent: 15 January 2020 18:31 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Tape problem Anyone ever

Re: HSFLOG and HSFTRACE

2020-01-15 Thread Anthony Thompson
> On our z/OS 2.4 system there's still a SDSFAUX address space. Yes, SDSFAUX remains to execute various data gatherers, XCF communications and so on, but the allocation of HSFLOG and HSFTRACE was moved to the SDSF address space with z/OS 2.3. Ant.

Re: HSFLOG and HSFTRACE

2020-01-15 Thread Dan D
On our z/OS 2.4 system there's still a SDSFAUX address space. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN

Re: Talking to 3270 terminals?

2020-01-15 Thread Wayne Bickerdike
Don't forget Nixdorf, although the machine I worked with was built by Hitachi in Israel. It had a 3274 emulator that worked on a early LAN type architecture, not quite the same and it also had a comms controller that behaved like a 3174. On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 6:40 PM Timothy Sipples wrote: >

Re: Migrating to new compiler release

2020-01-15 Thread Wayne Bickerdike
I was under the impression that newer releases of a compiler might smarten up inefficient code, such as moving assignments that are unchanging out of loops, or opening out loops, for example. None of this should affect a program flow detrimentally or produce a bug. We're currently moving from

Re: HSFLOG and HSFTRACE

2020-01-15 Thread Anthony Thompson
> I believe it's SDSFAUX that allocates these files... > Dan Used to be SDSFAUX. With z/OS 2.3, the SDSF address space took over this function. Ant. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email

Re: Migrating to new compiler release

2020-01-15 Thread Charles Mills
I did indeed misunderstand what you meant by "implemented." I interpreted that as meaning "rolled out into production" but you meant "recompiled." Absolutely I would NOT test under 6.2 and then release compile under 6.3. Yeah, it should work, but I would not do it. Charles -Original

Re: Talking to 3270 terminals?

2020-01-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
You might say it, but the IETF did not. In particular, RFC 1576 does not, but refers to the client as an emulator. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Charles Mills Sent: Tuesday,

Re: Migrating to new compiler release

2020-01-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
A new version that doesn't affect the generated code may have an IFREQ that affects the run-time environment. But it's not my dog. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Frank

Re: Talking to 3270 terminals?

2020-01-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
1. If you're trying to look like a 3270 on a 3174 and you need to be usable as a console before VTAM is up then you need to connect over B, ESCON or FICON. A TN3270 session with an OSA-ICC will do the trick. 2. The 3174 had both synchronous and asynchronous RS-232-C adapters. a. A

Re: HSFLOG and HSFTRACE

2020-01-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
Allocate them yourself. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Gadi Ben-Avi Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 1:40 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: HSFLOG and HSFTRACE Hi,

Re: Talking to 3270 terminals?

2020-01-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
If you want to look like the host side then your options are B, BSC, Ethernet, SDLC and TR, depending on the controller model and configuration. For BSC and SDLC you would need a synchronous serial adapter, not the asynchronous adapter that some PCs come with. If you have a B adapter and

Re: Talking to 3270 terminals?

2020-01-15 Thread William Donzelli
> Does that mean that citations in wiki should use trailing-edge? If so, does > wiki know? Most bitsavers mirrors tend to be well synced, so it probably does not really matter. -- Will -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff /

Re: Talking to 3270 terminals?

2020-01-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
Does that mean that citations in wiki should use trailing-edge? If so, does wiki know? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of William Donzelli Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 3:24

Re: Talking to 3270 terminals?

2020-01-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
No, bitsavers. Do you mean http colon //bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/3270/GA23-0059-4_3270_Data_Stream_Programmers_Reference_Dec88.pdf? /pdf/ibm/3274/GA23-0061-2_3274_Control_Unit_Description_and_Programmers_Guide_Mar85.pdf? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3

Re: Talking to 3270 terminals?

2020-01-15 Thread William Donzelli
> Why trailing-edge rather than the bitsavers.org site? Things may have changed over the years, but Al and Tim decided to mainly point people towards Tim's servers, to keep Al's bandwidth down. -- Will -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe

Re: Talking to 3270 terminals?

2020-01-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
No, I meant bitsavers, not archive or trailing edge. HTTP colon //bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/3270 is probably of most interest, but pdf/ibm/370 might have something of interest. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe

Re: Talking to 3270 terminals?

2020-01-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
Why trailing-edge rather than the bitsavers.org site? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Tom Marchant <000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Wednesday, January 15,

Re: Talking to 3270 terminals?

2020-01-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
Wiki? NFW. Bitsavers is an archive. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Charles Mills Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 12:04 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Talking

Re: Migrating to new compiler release

2020-01-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
The early you catch compatibility issues the better. IMHO, rolling out source and recompiling is much safer. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Steve Smith Sent: Wednesday,

Re: Migrating to new compiler release

2020-01-15 Thread Jousma, David
We got bit by that years ago too. IBM seems to be pretty good now with hold actions on COBOL PTF that requires a specific LE PTF to be available everywhere prior to the introduction of the Cobol PTF.

Re: Migrating to new compiler release

2020-01-15 Thread Jesse 1 Robinson
Here's another gotcha to worry about regardless of compiler version. It was a real problem, not hypothetical. We installed a new z/OS Server Pac that happened to include a new COBOL release: 4.2 to replace 4.1. As others have mentioned, the ancient practice here is to do *all* compiles on the

Re: Tape problem

2020-01-15 Thread Nai, Dean
IBM 3494. I’ll open a ticket with CA….thanks Dean Nai Senior z/OS Systems Programmer Technical Services Group Department of Information Technology State of New Hampshire 27 Hazen Drive Concord, NH 03301 work: 603-271-1529 Statement of Confidentiality: The contents of this message are

Re: Migrating to new compiler release

2020-01-15 Thread Frank Swarbrick
Yeah. We do have regressions tests, but it's not built in to change control itself. Perhaps something we should look in to enhancing. Thanks. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Jousma, David <01a0403c5dc1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu>

Re: Migrating to new compiler release

2020-01-15 Thread Jousma, David
We migrate source *and* executable into a controlled stage environment where the app folks are supposed to do one last round of tests. From there, its straight copy to all PROD locations. _

Re: Migrating to new compiler release

2020-01-15 Thread Michael Babcock
You’ve got me there! I would think that chance is relatively small and wouldn’t worry about it. On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 12:08 PM Frank Swarbrick < frank.swarbr...@outlook.com> wrote: > Intentional differences, yes. Bug; probably not!  > > > From: IBM

Re: Migrating to new compiler release

2020-01-15 Thread Frank Swarbrick
Intentional differences, yes. Bug; probably not!  From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Michael Babcock Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 11:04 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Migrating to new compiler release Any difference should

Re: Migrating to new compiler release

2020-01-15 Thread Michael Babcock
Any difference should be documented in the migration guides I would think. On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 1:38 PM Frank Swarbrick wrote: > I understand that the runtime is part of LE, and is generally shared > between versions (at least V5 and V6 seem to share the same runtime for > many/most

Re: Migrating to new compiler release

2020-01-15 Thread Frank Swarbrick
That doesn't fit in to our current processes. We migrate source code, not executables. I guess we could consider changing that, but this is small enough an issue. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Steve Smith Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020

Re: Tape problem

2020-01-15 Thread Lizette Koehler
Are you using IBM VTS, emc vts, other tape appliance I have found the CA 1 Support team to be very helpful. Lizette -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Nai, Dean Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 10:31 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Tape

Re: Migrating to new compiler release

2020-01-15 Thread Steve Smith
Seems to me your problem is recompiling after testing. If you want to avoid problems that re-compiling could introduce, then don't. sas On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 11:59 AM Frank Swarbrick < frank.swarbr...@outlook.com> wrote: > I was just stating what a theoretical new version of a theoretical >

Tape problem

2020-01-15 Thread Nai, Dean
Anyone ever run into a problem where the CA-1 catalog and the volcat seem to be out of sync? We keep getting the below messages and aren’t able to eject tapes. Thought it was 3494 hardware related by IBM doesn’t thing so. Any suggestions? CBR3770I Volume T00xxx misplaced in library TAPELIB1

Re: Talking to 3270 terminals?

2020-01-15 Thread Charles Mills
Bitsavers.org is a "wiki" site with scans of out-of-print tech manuals. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Alexander Huemer Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 8:02 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re:

Re: Migrating to new compiler release

2020-01-15 Thread Frank Swarbrick
I was just stating what a theoretical new version of a theoretical compiler might provide. In the specific case of E.C. 6.3 you are certainly correct. Of course there is no requirement to change ARCH level upon implementation of a new version, even if you're at that necessary hardware level.

Re: Migrating to new compiler release

2020-01-15 Thread Frank Swarbrick
You are misunderstanding. My concern, and I admit its a small one, is about those programs that were tested prior to the version upgrade but implemented after the version upgrade. Meaning they were tested having been compiled with V6.2, but compiled for implementation using V6.3. It's a

Re: Talking to 3270 terminals?

2020-01-15 Thread Tom Marchant
On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 10:48:26 -0600, Tom Marchant wrote: >or, perhaps more specific to the OP's question, >http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/ibm/360/ Oops. I meant http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/ibm/3270/ -- Tom Marchant

Re: Talking to 3270 terminals?

2020-01-15 Thread Tom Marchant
On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 08:29:38 -0800, Tom Brennan wrote: >I think Shmuel is talking about https://archive.org/details/bitsavers I think he meant http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/ or http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/ibm/ or http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/ibm/360/ or

Re: Talking to 3270 terminals?

2020-01-15 Thread Tom Brennan
But a couple of minutes earlier you said: > Well, I guess the proposal was to write a piece of software that a > TN3270 client connects to and is able to exchange data with it. Do you really have a 3174? Do you have a real IBM terminal? Or another way to ask: If you created such a program,

Re: Talking to 3270 terminals?

2020-01-15 Thread Alexander Huemer
I am aware of hercules, an amazing piece of software. Though I am more looking for a dedicated piece of software just to talk to terminals, not as part of a S3*0 OS. > I think I've recently read some articles where someone is trying to > use a 3270 as a terminal for a Unix (Linux?)

Re: Talking to 3270 terminals?

2020-01-15 Thread Alexander Huemer
I am aware RS232 is just a low-level protocol, though, if I decide to really spend time on this, I have to interface with a 3174 somehow, low-level. And I wonder which options I have for that, regardless of the higher protocol layer. I am not questioning that they have to be figured out. What

Re: Talking to 3270 terminals?

2020-01-15 Thread Alexander Huemer
Well, I guess the proposal was to write a piece of software that a TN3270 client connects to and is able to exchange data with it. I think that's a neat idea, especially as that removes the dependency on ancient hardware that I don't currently have. You say TN3270 merely encapsulates 3270, which

Re: Talking to 3270 terminals?

2020-01-15 Thread Alexander Huemer
I read through the thread. Not sure I fully understand what is happening over there. Will read again. On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 11:44:46AM -0600, Mike Schwab wrote: > https://turnkey-mvs.yahoogroups.narkive.com/YoMvjj8Q/turnkey-mvs-under-vm-and-3270-w-3174 > 3174 with ethernet and token ring.

Re: Talking to 3270 terminals?

2020-01-15 Thread Alexander Huemer
I didn't think of TN3270 as an intermediate step so far. I cannot really assess how much value that brings for the end goal, though it might be at least fun and educational. Thanks for the insights, especially 3270.pdf seems very interesting. On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 07:23:55AM -0800, Charles

Re: SMPE UPGRADE Command

2020-01-15 Thread Barbara Nitz
>If you plan to continue to use SMP/E 36.105 or higher when processing >the subject target and dlib zone, then it is perfectly safe to use the >UPGRADE command. Thanks Kurt, for confirming that it should not be a problem. In the meantime I found out that IBM had ordered V24 for us *without*