Re: New Mainframe Community

2020-06-14 Thread David Crayford
Wow, "corporate-required Internet Explorer"! Your company needs to review some of it's standards!! On 2020-06-15 12:30 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 wrote: corporate-required Internet Explorer -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff

Re: WP vs MS [was:: Quote style (was: ... Passive FTP ... )]

2020-06-14 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
And WP still exists and is still thriving, AFAICT. I run WP X8 on my home machines, and version X9 is out since last year. I just haven't upgraded yet. Use WP reveal codes on any reasonably complex MS document to see just what kind of cr*p is generated. It takes a long time to clean up the

Re: New Mainframe Community

2020-06-14 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
And if you try to access that link with a corporate-required Internet Explorer browser, you will be told that Mattermost doesn't support your outdated browser, and you should change to one of the new more modern ones you doofus. Not what I would call "friendly". Peter -Original

Re: New Mainframe Community

2020-06-14 Thread Phil Smith III
Lionel B Dyck wrote: >Check this out - looks new but promising >https://mainframe.community/ Just what we need: Yet another nascent mainframe forum that will die on the vine. Not that community is a bad thing, it's not-but moving it from this list has been tried repeatedly: mainframezone,

Re: HOW DO I VERIFY A USERID'S ACCESS TO A DATASET

2020-06-14 Thread Arthur
On 14 Jun 2020 14:55:45 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main (Message-ID:<0385558663798702.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu>) 000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu (Paul Gilmartin) wrote: G4> A security jock should treat an access query with a negative reply as a violation as

Re: Quote style (was: ... Passive FTP ... )

2020-06-14 Thread Charles Mills
+1 Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Jesse 1 Robinson Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 10:48 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Quote style (was: ... Passive FTP ... ) As a Californian, I have a special

Re: HOW DO I VERIFY A USERID'S ACCESS TO A DATASET

2020-06-14 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sun, 14 Jun 2020 15:51:25 -0400, Bob Bridges wrote: > >B5> Ok, so things change; I still don't see why that means one shouldn't ask. >How is partial information (that is, it'll work under most circumstances but >not under all) worse than no information at all? One can't be sure that the

Re: HOW DO I VERIFY A USERID'S ACCESS TO A DATASET

2020-06-14 Thread Bob Bridges
Further comments below. -Original Message- From: Bob Bridges [mailto:robhbrid...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 23:32 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020

Re: Quote style

2020-06-14 Thread Tom Brennan
I remember that! It was fun to add a line in the middle of a group email (that ended up way too long) such as, "If you got this far come to my desk for a free coke". A few minutes later Stuart (and only Stuart) would arrive at my desk demanding payment. On 6/14/2020 12:19 PM, Stuart Holland

Re: Quote style (was: ... Passive FTP ... )

2020-06-14 Thread Seymour J Metz
> As a Californian, I have a special affection for gold miners. I'll bet Sutton didn't. What you call crap is what Netiquette, e.g., http://www.kassj.com/netiquette/netiquette.html, calls proper quoting style. Top posting a reply to a long message completely loses context. -- Shmuel

Re: Quote style

2020-06-14 Thread Stuart Holland
Tom would sometimes send long notes, and occasionally put something in the middle to see if anyone actually read it. I would usually be the first (or only) person to respond to whatever he stuck there.  So Tom: the recent "Where's Waldo?" pictures I have seen have him standing pretty much by

Re: Quote style (was: ... Passive FTP ... )

2020-06-14 Thread Jesse 1 Robinson
As a Californian, I have a special affection for gold miners. The older I get, the more I resemble the dusty old sourdough who ventures into town periodically to replenish his supply of flour and grease. Most of the time his labor produces nothing, but he has to dig anyway just in case. I

Re: Quote style (was: ... Passive FTP ... )

2020-06-14 Thread Seymour J Metz
> In this thread contributors have asserted that netiquette was > intended for USENET rather than person-to-person email. Yes, but the assertion was bogus. Look at, e.g., RFC 1895 Netiquette Guidelines. > Am I a Luddite for eschewing HTML coloring No. Not all change is progress. For the last

Re: Quote style (was: ... Passive FTP ... )

2020-06-14 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sat, 13 Jun 2020 21:42:00 -0600, Grant Taylor wrote: >... >Notice how you can clearly see what was your comment, and how my >responses directly relate to parts of your comment? > But only if your MUA distingushes quoted material. Am I a Luddite for eschewing HTML coloring (and even

Re: HOW DO I VERIFY A USERID'S ACCESS TO A DATASET

2020-06-14 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sat, 13 Jun 2020 23:32:02 -0400, Bob Bridges wrote: > >o Well, maybe not on the first one: What's "TOCTTOU"? > GIYF. It's my habit to verify initialisms before I use them. >o Access rules are indeed complicated to simulate. > ... >o Of course the rules are subject to change. I can't

Re: Quote style (was: ... Passive FTP ... )

2020-06-14 Thread Seymour J Metz
I used to call it Word Pervert before I was forced to use m$ orifice. I tend to use lists a lot, and what happens when you try to copy items from one list to another is not pretty. Reveal mode would at least have given me an easy way to clean up the mess. These days, if I have to copy list

Re: HOW DO I VERIFY A USERID'S ACCESS TO A DATASET

2020-06-14 Thread Arthur
On 13 Jun 2020 21:45:00 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main (Message-ID:) dspiegel...@hotmail.com (David Spiegel) wrote: I am aware of CBT 106. I presented my solution in case the user wanted to know if s/he had access. If so, s/he could avoid all of the paperwork and permission required to