Re: IBM splitting into two companies

2020-10-10 Thread Mike Hochee
Over the last few years I have hoped IBM would become more of a cloud player and attempt to marry some of the long-standing and well established zEnterprise strengths; security, reliability, extensibility, performance, etc., with what I always perceived to be an inherently less secure cloud

Re: IBM splitting into two companies

2020-10-10 Thread Charles Mills
I recall Series/1 as being from GSD, the General Systems Division; mainframes from the Data Processing Division (and FSD, the Federal Systems Division), and typewriters from Office Products Division. Yes, DPD folks were the king of the hill; called Office Products (OPD) salesmen "opie-dopies."

Re: IBM splitting into two companies

2020-10-10 Thread David Crayford
You're conflating enterprise with traditional mainframe customers such as the finance industry. Apple, BP, Shell, Coca-Cola etc all use AWS, are they not enterprise customers? As for health care, the UK NHS is a huge AWS customer. The reputation of IBM's cloud (or maybe just IBM) in Australia

Re: IBM splitting into two companies

2020-10-10 Thread Wayne Bickerdike
At 6.5%, the iPhone maker’s share in the S 500 just surpassed the record 6.4% that IBM held 35 years ago, data compiled by S Dow Jones Indices and Bloomberg show. Apple’s overall market cap stands at $1.875 trillion, about 7% away from $2 trillion. The breakthrough speaks to the strength of a

Re: IBM splitting into two companies

2020-10-10 Thread Wayne Bickerdike
Hi Charles, GBG was general business group. DP was Data Processing. GBG sold Series 1, photocopiers and typewriters, System 34 (back in 1978 when I was there). DP sold mainframes and believed that they ruled. So when a salesman went to an account, mainframe was always sold above anything else.

Re: IBM splitting into two companies

2020-10-10 Thread zMan
Well, big companies ARE using AWS, GCP, and Azure for critical information. We deal with them every day. And for the record, I'm hardly an IBM or mainframe basher. I just call out BS when I see it, like that 1.3M/second. Which you have not responded to. It was IBM who said they came up with that

Re: IBM splitting into two companies

2020-10-10 Thread Charles Mills
TMA Too many acronyms. What is GBG? What is DP? I know RBG. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Wayne Bickerdike Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2020 2:38 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM splitting

Re: IBM splitting into two companies

2020-10-10 Thread Wayne Bickerdike
Global services was a poor place for "IBM" employees. They weren't the same as the IBMers in terms of benefits. This has been the trend at IBM for years. I was an IBMer in the 70s and we hoped that the antitrust cases would lead to a split so that GBG would separate from DP. It didn't happen and

Re: IBM splitting into two companies

2020-10-10 Thread Bill Johnson
6 billion in cloud revenue latest quarter. About half of AZURE. Looks bigger than 2% to me. https://cloudwars.co/cloud-wars-top-10-vendors-world/  Read up. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Saturday, October 10, 2020, 1:28 PM, zMan wrote: Bill, you can quote self-serving SHARE fodder all

Re: IBM splitting into two companies

2020-10-10 Thread Bill Johnson
You’ve been a mainframe & IBM basher for years. And wrong more often than not.  Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Saturday, October 10, 2020, 1:28 PM, zMan wrote: Bill, you can quote self-serving SHARE fodder all you like, but the fact remains: IBM cloud is a joke in the industry. Doesn't

Re: IBM splitting into two companies

2020-10-10 Thread Bill Johnson
You’re comparing 2 entirely different clouds. IBM isn’t in the consumer cloud market. There is more money in PC’s than there is in mainframes too! And IBM processes 90% of credit card transactions. You were wrong. No fortune 100 companies are going to use AZURE or AWS for highly critical,

Re: IBM splitting into two companies

2020-10-10 Thread Bill Johnson
Yeah, big comp Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Saturday, October 10, 2020, 1:28 PM, zMan wrote: Bill, you can quote self-serving SHARE fodder all you like, but the fact remains: IBM cloud is a joke in the industry. Doesn't mean it couldn't become a player, but that's aspirational at best.

Re: IBM splitting into two companies

2020-10-10 Thread Charles Mills
FWIW that is how I took it. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Phil Smith III Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2020 7:09 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies Wayne Bickerdike

Re: IBM splitting into two companies

2020-10-10 Thread Steve Smith
Evidently Arvind Krishna thinks the IT Services Division (or whatever it is) is worthless, as he didn't attempt to sell it, he's just throwing it out. Apparently, whatever profits it contributes aren't worth the distraction to his "maniacal" focus on "hybrid cloud". As the divestment (calling it

Re: IBM splitting into two companies

2020-10-10 Thread Phil Smith III
Wayne Bickerdike wrote: >Perhaps IBM are prepping to sell off Global Services. Isn't that what this is? That's what I took "IT infrastructure services unit" to mean. Am I confused (always possible, probably likely)? ...phsiii

Re: IBM splitting into two companies

2020-10-10 Thread zMan
Bill, you can quote self-serving SHARE fodder all you like, but the fact remains: IBM cloud is a joke in the industry. Doesn't mean it couldn't become a player, but that's aspirational at best. That SHARE transaction quote is nonsense--do the math: 1.3M/sec=112,320,000,000 per day. 112 BILLION.

Re: IBM splitting into two companies

2020-10-10 Thread zMan
No, but no processors use it. Couple of the brands do. On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 12:00 PM Seymour J Metz wrote: > what is z/TPF, chopped liver? > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List