Re: LOAD with ADDR

2021-08-27 Thread Charles Mills
It invites the possibility ... Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Ed Jaffe Sent: Friday, August 27, 2021 2:28 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: LOAD with ADDR On 8/27/2021 1:18 PM, Charles Mills

Re: LOAD with ADDR

2021-08-27 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 8/27/2021 1:18 PM, Charles Mills wrote: The BALR hazard exists even in the simple, non-GLOBAL case Yes, but it is isolated. There is one address space, and the owner of an address space is always totally responsible for what goes on there. GLOBAL is, well, global. GLOBAL=YES does not

Re: LOAD with ADDR

2021-08-27 Thread Charles Mills
> The BALR hazard exists even in the simple, non-GLOBAL case Yes, but it is isolated. There is one address space, and the owner of an address space is always totally responsible for what goes on there. GLOBAL is, well, global. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion

Re: End of file?

2021-08-27 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Fri, 27 Aug 2021 12:24:02 -0700, Ed Jaffe wrote: > >Non-SMS managed data sets *might* still be subject to this restriction >even if SMS is active. I'm not sure on that point. > It's my understanding that SMS will write an EOF if DSORG=PS. It will not write the EOF if DSORG can not be

Re: SMPe how to determine prior RSU level

2021-08-27 Thread Chris Hoelscher
If its DB2 run MEPL If it’s a CA product run CAMODID Anything else run ABLIST on all modules In all cases sort the output by PTF# match the ptf# to the entry in your CSI to determine the associated RSU Chris Hoelscher Lead Sys DBA Kyndryl on assignment to IBM Global Technical Services on

Re: End of file?

2021-08-27 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Fri, 27 Aug 2021 19:14:33 +, Holst, Jeffrey A wrote: > >I am thinking that at one time I read that if a data set is allocated (IEFBR14 >perhaps) but has yet to be opened it will be missing the end of file >indicator, which can cause problems for a program that reads it. > "at one time"

Re: End of file?

2021-08-27 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 8/27/2021 12:14 PM, Holst, Jeffrey A wrote: ... at one time I read that if a data set is allocated (IEFBR14 perhaps) but has yet to be opened it will be missing the end of file indicator, which can cause problems for a program that reads it. Your memory is not failing, however SMS solved

End of file?

2021-08-27 Thread Holst, Jeffrey A
A developer is having an issue with a program. The odd thing is that if he reruns the job it works. One thing worthy of note is that the input is 2 concatenated sequential datasets. The second one is empty. I am thinking that at one time I read that if a data set is allocated (IEFBR14

Re: LOAD with ADDR

2021-08-27 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Fri, 27 Aug 2021 10:43:31 -0700, Charles Mills wrote: >MVS provides no such serialization. > >A GLOBAL=YES object "just is." It could be entered any way one chose: BALR, or >LINK, or ATTACH, or its data could be referenced with L and MVC. > >Here is the problem @Peter is referring to: once

Re: LOAD with ADDR

2021-08-27 Thread Charles Mills
MVS provides no such serialization. A GLOBAL=YES object "just is." It could be entered any way one chose: BALR, or LINK, or ATTACH, or its data could be referenced with L and MVC. Here is the problem @Peter is referring to: once you make the code available "globally" there is no general,

Re: Relocatability (was: Load Library Module Length ...)

2021-08-27 Thread Peter Relson
Consider, for example, DC A(FOO-BAR) where FOO and BAR are in different CSECTs that may be scatter-loaded. That's a reason not to use the SCTR option unless it is relevant. And it is relevant to z/OS only for loading the nucleus. But the binder does not know your intent. Do any assembler

Re: LOAD with ADDR

2021-08-27 Thread Michael Stein
On Fri, Aug 27, 2021 at 08:36:10AM -0400, Peter Relson wrote: > > LOAD with GLOBAL=YES also performs the same function flawlessly -- and > comes with the additional feature of automatic cleanup at termination > time (assuming that's the behavior you want). > > > The "automatic cleanup at

Re: RENT binder option

2021-08-27 Thread Barry Lichtenstein
The binder and linkage editor manuals have attempted to describe the load-time behaviors of modules according to the link-time parameters. (Similarly for the binder FETCHOPT). This is somewhat unfortunate, as while it is reasonable to expect some description of the options in those manuals,

Re: LOAD with ADDR

2021-08-27 Thread Mike Hochee
Wow! Who woulda thunk it, unless you actually been there? Good to know. Thank you! -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Peter Relson Sent: Friday, August 27, 2021 8:36 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: LOAD

Re: Dataset SYS1.SISFMIG ?

2021-08-27 Thread Juergen Kehr
Hi Rob, thanks for your answer. This make sense. In our environment this dataset only exists in our (SMP/E) maintenance environment and not in our runtime environment. But we're working with SDSF without any problems. This dataset comes into view because of PTF UI75454 which replaces a module

Re: LOAD with ADDR

2021-08-27 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Fri, 27 Aug 2021 08:36:10 -0400, Peter Relson wrote: > >LOAD with GLOBAL=YES also performs the same function flawlessly -- and >comes with the additional feature of automatic cleanup at termination >time (assuming that's the behavior you want). > > >The "automatic cleanup at termination" is

Re: Dataset SYS1.SISFMIG ?

2021-08-27 Thread Rob Scott
This dataset contains the IPCS models for some SDSF control blocks. Combined with the ISFIPCSP member of SISFJCL, an IPCS user can issue something like : CBF address STR(ISFx) This will display the memory from the dump in the format of the SDSF ISFx structure. Historically this

Re: Dataset SYS1.SISFMIG ?

2021-08-27 Thread Colin Paice
Is it to help migration? On Fri, 27 Aug 2021 at 14:51, Juergen Kehr wrote: > Hello, > looking into our z/OS system I found a SDSF dataset SYS1.SISFMIG, but > couldn't find where this library is used for and what its purpose is. A > GOOGLE search dosn't help. Can anybody help? Even more I would

Re: Dataset SYS1.SISFMIG ?

2021-08-27 Thread Carmen Vitullo
I am not sure what z/OS release you are working on, but your program directory should provide some information for that PDS Carmen On 8/27/2021 9:06 AM, Juergen Kehr wrote: Hello, the findings in Google with SISFMIG and IBM only show some listings which contain the dataset, but they tell

Re: Dataset SYS1.SISFMIG ?

2021-08-27 Thread Bill Johnson
Yup, related to SDSF. Look at HQX7790. Which is in the modules of our dataset. Carmen also correct. ISF.SISFMIG. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Friday, August 27, 2021, 10:12 AM, Don Poitras wrote: Just based on the name, I'd guess it's to be used when debugging SDSF problems.

Re: Dataset SYS1.SISFMIG ?

2021-08-27 Thread Don Poitras
Just based on the name, I'd guess it's to be used when debugging SDSF problems. Allocated to STEPLIB along with SYS1.MIGLIB when using IPCS. In article <5d896e64-8646-299d-8470-3f74cdef8...@hughes.net> you wrote: > That PDS, as delivered is ISF.SISFMIG, I'd be checking, searching that > name -

Re: Dataset SYS1.SISFMIG ?

2021-08-27 Thread Juergen Kehr
Hello, the findings in Google with SISFMIG and IBM only show some listings which contain the dataset, but they tell nothing about its purpose. Kind regards. Juergen -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access

Re: Dataset SYS1.SISFMIG ?

2021-08-27 Thread Carmen Vitullo
That PDS, as delivered is ISF.SISFMIG, I'd be checking, searching that name - I don't recall off hand what it is used for Carmen On 8/27/2021 8:51 AM, Juergen Kehr wrote: Hello, looking into our z/OS system I found a SDSF dataset SYS1.SISFMIG, but couldn't find where this library is used for

Re: Dataset SYS1.SISFMIG ?

2021-08-27 Thread Bill Johnson
Add IBM to the Google search. sisfmig IBM Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Friday, August 27, 2021, 9:51 AM, Juergen Kehr wrote: Hello, looking into our z/OS system I found a SDSF dataset SYS1.SISFMIG, but couldn't find where this library is used for and what its purpose is. A GOOGLE

Dataset SYS1.SISFMIG ?

2021-08-27 Thread Juergen Kehr
Hello, looking into our z/OS system I found a SDSF dataset SYS1.SISFMIG, but couldn't find where this library is used for and what its purpose is. A GOOGLE search dosn't help. Can anybody help? Even more I would line to know, if this library is really needed in an runtime environment. Kind

Re: LOAD with ADDR

2021-08-27 Thread Peter Relson
LOAD with GLOBAL=YES also performs the same function flawlessly -- and comes with the additional feature of automatic cleanup at termination time (assuming that's the behavior you want). The "automatic cleanup at termination" is in almost 100% of cases considered a system integrity error (or

Re: RENT binder option

2021-08-27 Thread Seymour J Metz
No, it is a text file containing one of IBM's old descriptions of the reusability option in *the binder* and in now way makes any claim about the linkage editor. Further, it is incorrect: RENT by itself is not enough to protect a module from modification. Contrast wit Module reusability at

Re: RENT binder option

2021-08-27 Thread CM Poncelet
The favicon is a .txt file containing a copy of IBM's definitions of REUS, RENT, REFR - and of what they mean and do, from the OS/390 V2R7 CD collection.    As we say in French (about REUS, RENT, REFR): "on a changé tout ça". ;-)   I reattach it. Click on it, if it is not displayed automatically.  

Re: RENT binder option

2021-08-27 Thread Seymour J Metz
Incorrect and out of context. In general, there is a difference between the processing of reusability attributes between the linkage editor and binder. Also, the subpool used depends not only on the reusability attribute but also on the authorization status of the concatenation. See also