Re: RENT binder option

2021-08-31 Thread Jim Mulder
As we have already discussed, program objects do get rounded up to 4k multiples. Load modules do not. I am a big fan of looking at dumps. We always have hundreds of them readily available around here. Here is an excerpt from SUMMARY FORMAT ASID(1) EX(GL) on a z/OS 2.5 standalone

Re: 3277 graphics

2021-08-31 Thread Tom Brennan
O/T - I was a user on one of those Tektronix displays from about 1979 to 1982, but no 3277 or mainframe. Mine was connected to a DEC computer, all put together by a company called ComputerVision. This pic shows almost exactly what I used:

3277 graphics

2021-08-31 Thread Charles Bailey
Back in the 1980's, when I was using MVS full time, we had some Tektronix graphics displays connected to an adapter on some of our 3277 terminals. These displays had storage screens where the screen could only have new stuff written to it. When the display got too cluttered you would have to

Re: RENT binder option

2021-08-31 Thread CM Poncelet
"Not all modules have or need a 4 KiB alignment." Indeed, for "modules" (as in CSECT/RSECT MODs, within an LMOD.) But LMODs themselves are loaded into page-aligned storage.   The LP (load point) addresses of LMODs always end with x'000' (i.e. page-aligned) - and the addresses of all MODs they

Re: Tape Report CA-TLMS

2021-08-31 Thread kekronbekron
CA-1 has a report called TMEVSNM in the samples. I'm hoping an equivalent for the same will be available in TLMS. If not, it's worth going through the samples library or the docs to find out what's there. - KB ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Wednesday, September 1st, 2021 at 1:44 AM, Bodra

Re: Tape Report CA-TLMS

2021-08-31 Thread Mike Schwab
I did a report. Listed every file on every tape, multiplied the numbers to a slight overestimate of file size, then summed them for a total. May need to skip tape data sets no longer on the tape (x days past expiration, delete flag, etc.). On Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 3:14 PM Bodra - Pessoal

Re: RENT binder option

2021-08-31 Thread Seymour J Metz
What is absurd about a page containing more than on load module? It happens all the time. Not all modules have or need a 4 KiB alignment. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: Copy RECFM=VBS/LRECL=X to zFS?

2021-08-31 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 15:27:38 -0500, Kirk Wolf wrote: >OK Gil, you will absolutely love this. >( I swear I didn't know this until just now :-) > >$ cp "//'KIRK.TEST.VBX'" /tmp/test.vbxcp >cp: FSUMF148 //'KIRK.TEST.VBX': spanned records are not supported > >$ cat "//'KIRK.TEST.VBX'"  >

Re: Copy RECFM=VBS/LRECL=X to zFS?

2021-08-31 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 13:30:17 -0700, Sri h Kolusu wrote: >> Thanks, but it doesn't seem to work.� Records that are over 32752 bytes >> are truncated. >> (Was that supposed to be an NBSP?) >> FMNBB298 10 record(s) copied: 6 truncated: 0 fields truncated > >Can you please try with LRECL=X in the

Re: Copy RECFM=VBS/LRECL=X to zFS?

2021-08-31 Thread Sri h Kolusu
> Thanks, but it doesn't seem to work.  Records that are over 32752 bytes > are truncated. > > FMNBB298 10 record(s) copied: 6 truncated: 0 fields truncated Kirk, Can you please try with LRECL=X in the JCL definition and also use PAD=ON in the sysin to pad to the maximum length? //

Re: Copy RECFM=VBS/LRECL=X to zFS?

2021-08-31 Thread Kirk Wolf
OK Gil, you will absolutely love this. ( I swear I didn't know this until just now :-) $ cp "//'KIRK.TEST.VBX'" /tmp/test.vbxcp cp: FSUMF148 //'KIRK.TEST.VBX': spanned records are not supported $ cat "//'KIRK.TEST.VBX'"  > /tmp/test.vbxcp # works. records > 32768 are copied correctly (at least

Re: Copy RECFM=VBS/LRECL=X to zFS?

2021-08-31 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 14:23:25 -0500, Kirk Wolf wrote: > >You're never wrong, but rarely helpful :-) > Have you any constructive criticism? >On 8/31/21 12:13 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: >> On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 09:50:30 -0700, Sri h Kolusu wrote: >>... >> As a last resort, Rexx: >> >> Override

Tape Report CA-TLMS

2021-08-31 Thread Bodra - Pessoal
Hi, I need to know how many TBs are being used in our TS3500. We use CA-TLMS and we have 60 x 3592 cartridges model JC (4TB) and tape drives are TS1140 (3592-E07). Is there a CA-TLMS report that tells me how many TBs are in use on each cartridge? Or any other source that can give

Re: Copy RECFM=VBS/LRECL=X to zFS?

2021-08-31 Thread Kirk Wolf
Thanks, but it doesn't seem to work.  Records that are over 32752 bytes are truncated. FMNBB298 10 record(s) copied: 6 truncated: 0 fields truncated Kirk Wolf Dovetailed Technologies http://dovetail.com On 8/31/21 11:50 AM, Sri h Kolusu wrote: Is there an IBM Utility that will do this?

Re: Copy RECFM=VBS/LRECL=X to zFS?

2021-08-31 Thread Kirk Wolf
Gil, You're never wrong, but rarely helpful :-) Kirk Wolf Dovetailed Technologies http://dovetail.com On 8/31/21 12:13 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 09:50:30 -0700, Sri h Kolusu wrote: Is there an IBM Utility that will do this? Preferrable with FILEDATA=TEXT processing mode

Re: RENT binder option

2021-08-31 Thread Jim Mulder
No. It is a popular name. Jim Mulder z/OS Diagnosis, Design, Development, Test IBM Corp. Poughkeepsie NY "IBM Mainframe Discussion List" wrote on 08/31/2021 12:58:55 PM: > From: "Bill Hitefield" > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Date: 08/31/2021 02:05 PM > Subject: Re: RENT binder

Re: RENT binder option

2021-08-31 Thread Jim Mulder
For *my* information? Contents Supervisor uses GETMAIN to obtain module storage. VSM is quite happy to allocate partial pages. It has been thus since before my time at IBM (42 years). I have to go with what Jor-el says at time 0:43 in this clip:

Re: Copy RECFM=VBS/LRECL=X to zFS?

2021-08-31 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 09:50:30 -0700, Sri h Kolusu wrote: >> Is there an IBM Utility that will do this? >> Preferrable with FILEDATA=TEXT processing mode on the output file > IDCAAMS REPRO? (I haven't checked its requirements.) As a last resort, Rexx: Override stdin to RECFM=U and interpret the

Re: RENT binder option

2021-08-31 Thread Bill Hitefield
Is this the Dave Cole who wrote "Boney Fingers" - many years ago? Bill Hitefield > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of Jim Mulder > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2021 12:56 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: RENT binder option > > This is

Re: RENT binder option

2021-08-31 Thread Jim Mulder
This is not the XDC Dave Cole. Dave Cole the musician was an MVS developer who worked on TSO/E (and was the developer of the PRINTDS command) and MVS/APPC. We did not discuss diagnostic techniques, but we did create a design that would have allowed the systems in a sysplex to safely share

Re: Copy RECFM=VBS/LRECL=X to zFS?

2021-08-31 Thread Charles Mills
Never mind: 4. Data sets with spanned record lengths are not allowed. Grrr. VBS is the red-headed stepchild of DFSMS. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2021 9:49 AM To:

Re: Copy RECFM=VBS/LRECL=X to zFS?

2021-08-31 Thread Sri h Kolusu
> Is there an IBM Utility that will do this? > Preferrable with FILEDATA=TEXT processing mode on the output file Kirk, If your shop has IBM File-Manager then you can use the following JCL //STEP0100 EXEC PGM=FILEMGR //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* //DDIN DD DISP=SHR,DSN=Your.MVS.LRECLX.Dataset

Re: Copy RECFM=VBS/LRECL=X to zFS?

2021-08-31 Thread Doug
Did you try from within the z/FS? Doug Fuerst d...@bkassociates.net -- Original Message -- From: "Kirk Wolf" To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Sent: 31-Aug-21 12:30:23 Subject: Copy RECFM=VBS/LRECL=X to zFS? Is there an IBM Utility that will do this? Preferrable with FILEDATA=TEXT

Re: Copy RECFM=VBS/LRECL=X to zFS?

2021-08-31 Thread Charles Mills
Did you try OPUT? Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Kirk Wolf Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2021 9:30 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Copy RECFM=VBS/LRECL=X to zFS? Is there an IBM Utility that will do

Re: Copy RECFM=VBS/LRECL=X to zFS?

2021-08-31 Thread Wolfgang Fritz
Am 31.08.2021 um 18:30 schrieb Kirk Wolf: Is there an IBM Utility that will do this? Preferrable with FILEDATA=TEXT processing mode on the output file (adding newlines at record boundaries). Trying IEBGENER and ICEGENER both result inᅵ 013-A8 I think the IBM Sort should do this part.

Copy RECFM=VBS/LRECL=X to zFS?

2021-08-31 Thread Kirk Wolf
Is there an IBM Utility that will do this? Preferrable with FILEDATA=TEXT processing mode on the output file (adding newlines at record boundaries). Trying IEBGENER and ICEGENER both result in  013-A8 -- Kirk Wolf Dovetailed Technologies http://dovetail.com

Re: SCRT and SMF ID

2021-08-31 Thread Edward King
>> Is it still valid requirement or it was relieved? Unique sysids are no longer required. SCRT has supported duplicate z/OS sysids on different LPARs since version 24.10 (circa 2016). Regards, Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe /

Re: RENT binder option

2021-08-31 Thread Greg Price
On 8/31/2021 11:35 AM, Jim Mulder wrote: Yes, I know the lines from that show from having played in the orchestra for it here: https://countyplayers.org/icpdb/shows/0502.html I expect you chatted about diagnostic techniques with Dave during breaks in rehearsal... O-O \_/

Re: RENT binder option

2021-08-31 Thread Peter Relson
FWIW, REFRPROT accomplishes two things: use of key 0 storage for reentrant modules whether from an authorized concatenation or not (aside from the cases for which key 0 storage is not used when it is RENT even from an authorized concatenation, such as within TSO TEST when the requestor is not

Re: RENT binder option

2021-08-31 Thread Peter Relson
Hence, the OS allocates whole - not partial - 4K pages to a load module (LMOD) ... In other words, pages are either fully allocated/occupied to or by a REFR LMOD's code or they are not occupied by a REFR LMOD's code at all. This logic is flawed and the conclusions are untrue. This relates to

Re: RENT binder option

2021-08-31 Thread Peter Relson
Compatibility is a concern. That is why the default will not change. It is not only a question of "a few bytes". There are programs that break if everything gets rounded to page multiples. Maybe those programs are wrong and should be fixed. But that is not our call. Peter Relson z/OS Core

Re: authority needed to update system symbols

2021-08-31 Thread Peter Relson
IEASYMU2 requires updates access to FACILITY class entity IEASYMUP.symname. You should not use IEASYMU2 unless this is a temporary update that you do not want to persist for the next IPL. I'd say that there is no such thing as "my system symbols". Anything beyond the system symbols provided

PCOMM .WS file reference

2021-08-31 Thread Radoslaw Skorupka
I'm looking for reference manual describing .WS file parameters. Most of them is obvious, but some are not and I it seems undocumented. I browsed all available books searching some keyword - no entry. Examples: SessFlags SoundsOn (that is self-explanatory) RuleLinePos Any clue? -- Radoslaw