Re: IPL's POR's frequency

2021-09-15 Thread Bruce Hewson
hi, 150+ LPARS - Maintenance related IPLs probably once a year (sometimes out to 18 months between IPLs on some LPARs). IPLs are a scarce event. PORs only occur when the actual boxes get upgraded to latest zSeries box. Regards Bruce

Re: SYSOUT FORMS question

2021-09-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
IBM ships a default separator for the External Writer. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Paul Gilmartin [000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu]

Re: SYSOUT FORMS question

2021-09-15 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 15 Sep 2021 20:46:40 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >It's the responsibility of the separator to start each DS on a front side; >there is not and should not be anything that device specific on SPOOL. > Nonetheless, when the printer was directly attached to MVS each data set started on a

Re: SYSOUT FORMS question

2021-09-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
There are several setup parameters, and there ae command to control how the JES deals with them. There is also a difference in the handling of physical forms versus forms overlays. Which JES, which printer and which selection criteria are you thinking of? In general, the names of e.g., forms,

Re: SYSOUT FORMS question

2021-09-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
It's the responsibility of the separator to start each DS on a front side; there is not and should not be anything that device specific on SPOOL. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: SYSOUT FORMS question

2021-09-15 Thread Scott Barry
From my personal experience (dating back to 1977-1980), both the SYSOUT-related sub-parameters CLASS and FORM (possibly also WRITER-program, and often DEST) provided a "gate" so that a queued-SYSOUT could be directed to a printer that was configured / set to the appropriate data-values via JES

Re: SYSOUT FORMS question

2021-09-15 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 15 Sep 2021 18:44:19 +, Frank Swarbrick wrote: >It's been quite a few years since we had mainframe attached printers, and I'm >trying to recall what the FORMS SYSOUT parameter is used for. I... > IIRC, long ago we had an MVS guest directing SYSOUTs to a virtual printer. But all

Re: SYSOUT FORMS question

2021-09-15 Thread Bill Johnson
40+ years ago, I worked in the print room for a GM subsidiary. We printed using mainframe connected printers. Probably 80% green bar paper, 1-5 copies that went through the decolator. (2-5) But, we also printed checks & special forms that required setting up the printers for each form. If I

Re: SYSOUT FORMS question

2021-09-15 Thread Carmen Vitullo
IIRC if the printer is set with the last form no prompt to load the form, this goes back to old 32xx printers, if the output is for a different form it allows the print operator to load the new form, then the operator issues the $SPRTx command the form name can be anything, client specific,

SYSOUT FORMS question

2021-09-15 Thread Frank Swarbrick
It's been quite a few years since we had mainframe attached printers, and I'm trying to recall what the FORMS SYSOUT parameter is used for. If I recall correctly, if a job going to a printer had a SYSOUT FORMS value that was different than the last job that was printed on that printer, the

Re: ICSF Hash with a certain seed (Key)

2021-09-15 Thread Eric D Rossman
Confirmed. When I treat both as ASCII, I get the same answer: /* "ABCabcAB12345678" */ Key =, '41424361626341423132333435363738'X; /* "Hola Mundo" */ Msg =, '486f6c61204d756e646f'X; expected_Mac =, '7483f0f47d20c89256805b69936ebdc31e62d99a40f6640b334c6b5a8d83df5e'X; Eric Rossman, CISSP® ICSF

Re: ICSF Hash with a certain seed (Key)

2021-09-15 Thread Charles Mills
Actually, as I think more, perhaps the Web site is computing the hash on the ASCII value of ABCabcAB12345678 which would be X'41424361626341423132333435363738' while the mainframe tool is perhaps taking ABCabcAB12345678 as hex? Try taking the mainframe hash of the hex string above and see if

Re: ICSF Hash with a certain seed (Key)

2021-09-15 Thread Lloyd Fuller
You are dealing with ASCII and EBCDIC.  So you will not get the same answers unless both use one or the other. Lloyd  Sent from AT Yahoo Mail for iPad On Wednesday, September 15, 2021, 1:59 PM, Isabel wrote: Hello!! We are still doing tests with our ICSF. Our scenario: We have the

Re: ICSF Hash with a certain seed (Key)

2021-09-15 Thread Charles Mills
I am not sure I really understand but wouldn't the web site be computing the hash on the ASCII representation of ABCabcAB12345678 while the mainframe would be computing the hash on the EBCDIC representation of ABCabcAB12345678? Those would be different hash values. The hash computation is on

Re: IPL's POR's frequency

2021-09-15 Thread Bill Johnson
One person on the list even laughed at me when I mentioned IBM’s 9 uptime goal. — Newsom won in a landslide. Believe Fauci & the science. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Wednesday, September 15, 2021, 2:04 PM, Colin Paice wrote: I remember a customer coming to tell IBM

Re: IPL's POR's frequency

2021-09-15 Thread Colin Paice
I remember a customer coming to tell IBM that they had had CICS up for 3 years continuously providing a service with no down time. "So what, people do this all the time" he said. "But for us, we have upgraded CICS, DB2, and z/OS to new versions. We have moved machine rooms (twice) and upgraded

Re: ICSF Hash with a certain seed (Key)

2021-09-15 Thread Isabel
Hello!! We are still doing tests with our ICSF. Our scenario: We have the following Link: https://www.freeformatter.com/hmac-generator.html#ad-output For example we enter in "Copy-paste the string here": Hola Mundo in "Secret key"

Re: IPL's POR's frequency

2021-09-15 Thread Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw
24x7x365 is actually 7 years. . Lennie -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mike Schwab Sent: 15 September 2021 17:59 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IPL's POR's frequency Mainframes have been powered up 24*7*365 for their lifetime (a decade +

Re: REXX - Interpret or Value - Which is better?

2021-09-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
There are many ways for a naive programmer to be astonished, and not just in REXX. My favorite example is the COMMENT statement in the original COBOL. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: REXX - Interpret or Value - Which is better?

2021-09-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
PARSE UPPER ARG will uppercase the argument, but if you are passing the names of variables then those variables could still have lower case values. It's not the INTERPRET that changes the case. There are several things in CLIST that REXX doesn't have. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz

Re: IPL's POR's frequency

2021-09-15 Thread Mike Schwab
Mainframes have been powered up 24*7*365 for their lifetime (a decade + in some cases) since the 1960s. Just the occasional off / on cycle if required. On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 4:07 AM Martin Packer wrote: > > It's amazing to think a machine could effectively be powered up > continuously for

Re: OSA/SF

2021-09-15 Thread Cieri, Anthony
Hi, I think there is a job that is provided in SYS1.SAMPLIB as member ATBTPVSM Tony -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of (K.K.Paradox)T.Kobayashi Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021 5:11 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU

Re: RMF SMF "broken" records

2021-09-15 Thread Martin Packer
Yes. That's what the re-assembly area is for in RMF SMF records. And yes 30 and 42-6 split the data that won't fit into a VBS record up. Cheers, Martin Martin Packer WW z/OS Performance, Capacity and Architecture, IBM Technology Sales +44-7802-245-584 email: martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com Twitter

Re: REXX - Interpret or Value - Which is better?

2021-09-15 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 15 Sep 2021 05:50:13 -0500, Lionel B. Dyck wrote: >z/OS REXX does have a PIPES but it is only available currently as part of >SmartBatch (or is it BatchPipes). > >There is an RFE asking for PIPES for TSO that is the highest voted RFE at the >moment with 237 votes. >

Re: RMF SMF "broken" records

2021-09-15 Thread Peter Relson
Are you sure they are broken? It is fully supported by many SMF exploiters (I have no idea about RMF) to produce multiple records when all the data cannot fit in the limited size of a single record. SMF30 certainly does that. I would expect some sort of "record is continued" indication.

Re: SMP/E GIMUNZIP HELP

2021-09-15 Thread Dave Jousma
>I used to download Patches from SHOPz using internet download. I have 35 of 35 >files 520 size. How can i merge to single file to become >S0001.SHOPZ.S7114481.SMPMCS.pax.Z file for me to unzip and I can receive to >SMP/E Global Zone. My SMP/E version 36.109 and OS Z/OS 2.2. No need for

Re: SMP/E GIMUNZIP HELP

2021-09-15 Thread A T & T Management
Good morning! Can't help on the first issue, bit for the second, wrap the two dollar signs with single quotes. Scott On Wednesday, September 15, 2021, 06:16:08 AM EDT, Mohd Shahrifuddin wrote: Hi All, I used to download Patches from SHOPz using internet download. I have 35 of 35 files

Re: REXX - Interpret or Value - Which is better?

2021-09-15 Thread Lionel B. Dyck
z/OS REXX does have a PIPES but it is only available currently as part of SmartBatch (or is it BatchPipes). There is an RFE asking for PIPES for TSO that is the highest voted RFE at the moment with 237 votes. https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/rfe/execute?use_case=viewRfe_ID=47699 I'm not

SMP/E GIMUNZIP HELP

2021-09-15 Thread Mohd Shahrifuddin
Hi All, I used to download Patches from SHOPz using internet download. I have 35 of 35 files 520 size. How can i merge to single file to become S0001.SHOPZ.S7114481.SMPMCS.pax.Z file for me to unzip and I can receive to SMP/E Global Zone. My SMP/E version 36.109 and OS Z/OS 2.2. One more

OSA/SF

2021-09-15 Thread (K.K.Paradox)T.Kobayashi
Hello, I will configure z/OS TCP/IP on the z10 BC (OSA-Express3 4 Port 1000BASE-T). I understand that no OAT configuration is required as it is a Single LPAR, Single TCP/IP use. But if TCP/IP doesn't work, I will check the OAT and Configuration with a OSA/SF (Query). I'm checking the OSA/SF

Re: IPL's POR's frequency

2021-09-15 Thread Martin Packer
It's amazing to think a machine could effectively be powered up continuously for quite a few years - even if it's not neglected. Amazing and good. Cheers, Martin Martin Packer WW z/OS Performance, Capacity and Architecture, IBM Technology Sales +44-7802-245-584 email:

Re: IPL's POR's frequency

2021-09-15 Thread Radoslaw Skorupka
My €0.02 IPL - never scheduled. Only when needed. Typical scenarios: 1. Configuration error, which need IPL (very rare, fortunately) 2. Hardware or software changes require IPL (maybe once a year, but IMHO less) 3. OPPORTUNITY.  Yes - there are several disruptive application software releases