Re: z/OS 2.5 install with z/OSMF

2021-11-29 Thread Tom Longfellow
The replies to my recent post are adding to my arguments. Adding dozens of new ways to get something to do actual work does not get final goals done faster. The actual work that the users (remember them) need do not care how cleverly the software is installed. They just want it now (or yest

Re: z/OS 2.4 Console outstanding message error

2021-11-29 Thread Mike Schwab
If the entry is in a user catalog, the user and authorized users should be able to delete it. If the entry is in the master catalog you need a higher level of authorization to alter the master catalog. On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 6:59 PM Jake Anderson wrote: > > There were no ICH message in log , ju

Re: z/OS 2.4 Console outstanding message error

2021-11-29 Thread Carmen Vitullo
Jake,  just grasping here, possible to test this again? display your console (SDSF) attributes after you get the IEE703I message D C,CN=yourconsoleid - for me it's my TSO USERID I am thinking, if you are in a sysplex your MSCOPE is not *ALL. the only other thing I can think of is make sure your

Re: z/OS 2.4 Console outstanding message error

2021-11-29 Thread Jake Anderson
There were no ICH message in log , just that from SYSLOG I am unable to respond to that WTOR but whereas I can reply to the same WTOR from the master console. This started happening after z/OS 2.4 upgrade. All the SDSF related security are handled via ISFPRMxx, we still have not migrated to RACF s

Long time between IPLs a security risk? was Re: What is OVMSKERN?

2021-11-29 Thread Clark Morris
On Monday 29/11/2021 at 12:41 pm, Charles Mills wrote: Problem is long gone, but FWIW this was 9 months after the last IPL. Given the need to apply security fixes that probably apply to SYS1.NUCLEUS or LPA modules, how is it possible to go 9 months without an IPL and maintain security? Cl

Re: FW: IBM RFE's Broken

2021-11-29 Thread Mike Schwab
Firefox is sending the URL to mozzilla and filtering. It completely blocked some sites I visit so I stopped using it. Probably blocking some URLs in the web site. Might check for something to turn that off. On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 3:47 PM Phil Smith III wrote: > > Paul Gilmartin wrote: > > >>T

Re: z/OS 2.4 Console outstanding message error

2021-11-29 Thread Watkins, Philip S.
Do you have the proper security for operator commands XA TSOAUTH = OPER XA TSOAUTH = CONSOLE -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Jake Anderson Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2021 8:35 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z/OS 2.4 Console outstandin

Re: Type 1 SVCs

2021-11-29 Thread Jim Brooks
Binyamin. THANK YOU! That clears it up for me, at least. Regards, Jim On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 2:08 AM Binyamin Dissen wrote: > You must have a TCB with an RB in order to (successfully) issue an SVC. > > Type can issue SUSPEND RB=CURRENT but does no0t get suspended immediately, > as > it, by d

Re: What is OVMSKERN?

2021-11-29 Thread Charles Mills
Problem is long gone, but FWIW this was 9 months after the last IPL. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Carmen Vitullo Sent: Monday, November 29, 2021 5:07 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: What is OVM

Re: Display user for started tasks started under Master subsystem

2021-11-29 Thread Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw
JES2 runs under a user id. The RACF address space runs under a user id. In fact nearly all work after the initialisation of SAF (which happens very soon after MSI) will run under a user id. Even initiators start work under a user id (although they subsequently lose that id). In addition, any start

Re: Display user for started tasks started under Master subsystem

2021-11-29 Thread Seymour J Metz
There are some tasks that you need to start when there is no ESM active. What user id would you expect for, e.g., JES2, RACF? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behal

Re: IBM RFE's Broken

2021-11-29 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 29 Nov 2021 10:47:26 -0500, Phil Smith III wrote: >... >And don't get me started on the pages that give you BLANK sections in >Firefox but work in Chrome. At least fail gracefully if you're too >incompetent to make it work. > How many content developers rely on HTML validators? Cookies

Re: FW: IBM RFE's Broken

2021-11-29 Thread Phil Smith III
Paul Gilmartin wrote: >>Try another browser, ... >"Anyone who slaps a 'this page is best viewed with Browser X' label on a Web page appears to be yearning > for the bad old days, before the Web, when you had very little chance of reading a document written on another >computer, a

Re: Display user for started tasks started under Master subsystem

2021-11-29 Thread Carmen Vitullo
Good question, I've always assumed :( it was because those tasks were started before any security system was started, RACF, ACF2, or TSS , so no owner defined by security is associated with these address spaces ? Carmen On 11/29/2021 8:27 AM, Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw wrote: I am looking at an S

Display user for started tasks started under Master subsystem

2021-11-29 Thread Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw
I am looking at an SDSF DA display showing active address spaces. The column 'Owner' shows the user id associated with the address space. However, for those address spaces which are subsystems or which are started under the master subsystem, the user id is not shown. If I display address s

Re: IBM RFE's Broken

2021-11-29 Thread Allan Staller
Classification: Confidential Sigh! The "new tools" are neither as functional, reliable or available as those they replace! -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of zMan Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2021 9:48 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM RFE'

Re: z/OS 2.4 Console outstanding message error

2021-11-29 Thread Allan Staller
Classification: Confidential Console=distributed in IEASYS00? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Jake Anderson Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2021 3:19 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: z/OS 2.4 Console outstanding message error [CAUTION: This Emai

Re: What is OVMSKERN?

2021-11-29 Thread Carmen Vitullo
The only time I've noticed is while the system is coming back up from an IPL, OMVSKERN IIRC are the processes that execute from the /etc/rc to start some OMVS services Carmen On 11/24/2021 12:26 PM, John McKown wrote: Can't say for certain, but my SWAG is "unreaped child processes". Try an SD

Re: z/OS 2.5 install with z/OSMF

2021-11-29 Thread David Crayford
On 29/11/21 5:27 pm, Sebastian Welton wrote: On Mon, 29 Nov 2021 12:03:01 +0800, David Crayford wrote: Didn't CA create the Chorus Software Manager that was generally very well received by the community. I haven't used it but I heard that installing mainframe software using SMP/E was as easy

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Re: z/OS 2.5 install with z/OSMF

2021-11-29 Thread Sebastian Welton
On Mon, 29 Nov 2021 12:03:01 +0800, David Crayford wrote: >Didn't CA create the Chorus Software Manager that was generally very >well received by the community. I haven't used it but I heard that >installing mainframe software using SMP/E was as easy as installing a >browser add-on using the Web

Re: IBM RFE's Broken

2021-11-29 Thread Colin Paice
My point originally was the development teams do not sit down with the documentation and go through it from scratch. The testers have a test suite called "installation tests", they just press a button. You do not want the development teams to do this work because they know too much about the produ