Re: Two related member generation questions

On Mon, 29 May 2023 19:10:55 -0500, Charles Mills wrote: > >>Support for PDSE as a member* of a GDG was added in z/OS 2.1 or 2, iirc. >>*(not to be confused with members of a PDS[E] > >And also not to be confused with PDSE 2 member generations, right? > >> maybe they could have >> tried harder not

Re: Two related member generation questions

I'll bite: where is it hidden? CM On Mon, 29 May 2023 21:28:50 -0400, Steve Smith wrote: >Yes, one of the "hidden secrets" of ISPF. I use it a lot, but you kind of >have to be told it's there, and get used to it. It's very clunky.

Re: Two related member generation questions

Yes, one of the "hidden secrets" of ISPF. I use it a lot, but you kind of have to be told it's there, and get used to it. It's very clunky. FileManager has an option (3.15) called "PDSE Workbench" that displays PDSEs with member generations very nicely, and provides comprehensive compare tools.

Re: Two related member generation questions

ISPF supports PDSE member generations via the prompt menu. With this interface the specific member generation can be browsed, edited and even saved as the latest version. On Mon, 29 May 2023 19:10:55 -0500, Charles Mills wrote: >@Steve, thanks. > >>JCL provides no support at all for PDSE

Re: Two related member generation questions

z/OS offers very little PDSE 2 Generation support. Download www.cbttape.org (file 969) for PDSEGEN utilities. On Mon, May 29, 2023 at 4:57 PM Charles Mills wrote: > > 1. Is there any support in JCL or in ISPF for reading member generations? If > I want to reference or browse a PDSE 2 member

Re: Two related member generation questions

@Steve, thanks. >JCL provides no support at all for PDSE member generations. Grumble, grumble. What about ISPF? I sure don't see it, but perhaps I am using a customized ISPF? Or there is some option that is not turned on in the z/OS that I am using? >Support for PDSE as a member* of a GDG was

Re: Two related member generation questions

Well, I had to go read this. Here is what it says in the DFSMS Using Data Sets Manual (z/OS 2.5) SC23-6855-50: Data set organization of generation data sets Generation data sets (GDSs) can be sequential, direct, or partitioned data sets. *If you use PDSs or PDSEs** **as generation data sets

Re: Two related member generation questions

Charles: I think you are quite rightly confusing GDG ops with PDSE Generations. And, I have not read up enough on PDSE generations to know how one deals with this in JCL. I just know they exist, but I've not had the need to use them (unless it is pent up and one I now how will realize the

Re: Two related member generation questions

"GDGs can be members of PDS or PDSE." -I can't even guess what you're trying to say, but on the face of it, that's not only wrong, but absurd. JCL provides no support at all for PDSE member generations. Support for PDSE as a member* of a GDG was added in z/OS 2.1 or 2, iirc. *(not to be confused

Re: Are there samples of COBOL methods or classes?

Wait a minute! Reusability of code and Object Orientation are totally different things! One might have a library of reusable COBOL subroutines that programmers could cut and paste into their programs. (Or that worked in some other way.) No object orientation necessary. And there are lots of

Re: Two related member generation questions

I can answer one part of this.  GDGs can be members of PDS or PDSE.  This has been true for a long time.  The actual generated member name is different than for a GDG dataset. Lloyd Sent from AT Yahoo Mail for iPad On Monday, May 29, 2023, 5:56 PM, Charles Mills wrote: 1. Is there any

Two related member generation questions

1. Is there any support in JCL or in ISPF for reading member generations? If I want to reference or browse a PDSE 2 member generation other than the latest, is it possible to do so? Am I just missing the doc somewhere? 2. Is this not an error or at least an illogical statement in the JCL

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Re: Searching for a process to clean my VTS

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Searching for a process to clean my VTS

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Re: Are there samples of COBOL methods or classes?

Yeah, and then they blame me when they modify the code that they copied and it no longer works, or when it still does what I originally wanted it to do but not what they wanted. Code reuse is a good servant but a bad master. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3

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Re: Provenance and citation for Multiple channel subsystems?

Introduced with the z990 https://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg246947.html [https://www.redbooks.ibm.com/images/thumbs/sg24-6947-01_x2.jpg] IBM eServer zSeries 990 Technical Guide The

Re: Are there samples of COBOL methods or classes?

When I started in 1980, we used 'objects' by copying the last similar program from someone else 's library. Sent from Proton Mail mobile Original Message On May 29, 2023, 9:47 AM, Andrew Rowley wrote: > On 29/05/2023 8:40 am, Tom Ross wrote: > ... The real > worl is not

Re: Are there samples of COBOL methods or classes?

On 29/05/2023 8:40 am, Tom Ross wrote: ... The real worl is not object oriented...we do no instantiate a customer object and then invoke a 'send_a_bill' method on that object. We procedurally decide that it is time to send a cusotmer a bill and do it! I'm not sure I would agree... it