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On 7/3/2023 8:30 PM, Eric Erickson wrote:
PLUGH!
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No, community college in Southern California, almost free at the time.
On 7/3/2023 8:15 PM, Bob Bridges wrote:
Yes, about that year for me too, and at a university. Not A State U in
Greensboro, NC, by any chance?
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The #define of _POSIX_SOURCE fixed it. Darn documentation!
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Greensboro, NC, by any chance?
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We begin by coveting what we see every day. -Hannibal Lecter in "Silence of
> DFSORT has the capability of using memory (real and auxiliary storage) and if
> it runs out of it, it will then use disk workspace.
Hi Sri,
I understand you can't share the inner workings any more than what's documented
in docs.
>From the few tests I've seen, it seems that DFSORT prefers
Same here, ADVEN on a DEC 10 running TOPS-10, around 1979. One college
instructor told us to play it and said, "Let them play games, and that
will get them interested."
On 7/3/2023 12:05 PM, Bob Bridges wrote:
Ah, yes, I remember now, we invoked it using ADVEN on the PDP-10, which used
Thanks so much to everyone who replied. I have gotten some positive
responses internally here, and we are going to look at retooling some of
our jobs after we do some testing to be sure we don't hurt anything. Who
knows, we might even get some performance gains by letting the system
take
>> you mentioned getting better diagnostics from the SORTDIAG DD DUMMY. Are
>> these diagnostics something I can interpret?
Billy,
Not really. The additional messages would help IBM to diagnose the problem.
Thanks,
Kolusu
DFSORT Development
IBM Corporation
Sri Kolusu, you mentioned getting better diagnostics from the SORTDIAG
DD DUMMY. Are these diagnostics something I can interpret? I know that
many of the SORT messages that normally come out are coded values and
not overly useful on their own without some interpretation (unless I
missed some
>> how can I dump off the current SORT system options?
Billy,
Check this.
https://www.mail-archive.com/ibm-main@listserv.ua.edu/msg105660.html
Thanks,
Kolusu
DFSORT Development
IBM Corporation
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Thanks again, Peter, and all. One last question - how can I dump off the
current SORT system options? For example, Peter, you said, "my shop
defaults DYNALLOC to 59" - how can I see what our default setting has?
Thank you and best regards,
Billy Ashton
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The version that I saw was table driven; it was half a century ago, but I
vaguel recall a response of "You've got to be kidding", but I may be confusing
that with the response to "throw troll".
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I once spent a pleasurable few days hacking (or rather trying to hack)
Colossal Cave's "magic mode". The DEC-10 machine at the college I worked at
back then had very little security; I could a program and then
examine the machine code at leisure. I got quite a few steps into the
rather lengthy
I always found writing games to be more interesting than playing them, and will
run experiments rather than concentrating on winning. An example was when I
wondered what Adventure would do with absud actions such as "eat bird" or
"throw troll".
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Billy,
If it is an internal sort then supply the FILSZ=Ennn parameter in
DFSPARM (or $ORTPARM for Syncsort) along with the DYNALLOC parameter.
My shop defaults DYNALLOC to 59 and allows production jobs to use the max of
255 for particularly large sorts. Some of ours are, like yours,
Sorry. There was an extra space before the FILSZ parm. Please remove that.
Here is the updated DFSPARM statement.
//DFSPARM DD *
OPTION DYNALLOC=(,16),MOSIZE=MAX,FILSZ=E5
/*
Thanks,
Kolusu
DFSORT Development
IBM Corporation
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>>450mill * 110 * 1.5 = 7425000 = 69GB so maybe SORTWK01 - SORTWK10
Billy,
Based on your above description, you would need about 1.345 million tracks of
sortwk space if the sorting is to be done entirely using Disk space.
>>//SORTWK01 DD UNIT=WORK,DSNTYPE=LARGE,SPACE=(CYL,(4000,1000))
There may be some odd edge case, but it is my opinion control statements,
parameters, are always preferable to hardcoded JCL SORTWK. If only for the sake
of conciseness.
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> Sent: Monday, July 3, 2023
It is on disk, Doug. Thanks for the caveat!
Thank you and best regards,
Billy Ashton
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Date 7/3/2023 4:07:05 PM
Subject Re: SORTWK space usage
Billy,
Am only trying to present a possible option. The number of
Billy,
Am only trying to present a possible option. The number of volumes and
available space is shop dependent. Best to grab a sort manual and go through
the possible option then test.
The expert, Sri Kolusu many have thoughts on best practice.
Is the input disk or tape ? It makes a
Doug, this raises a good point. If I have a COBOL program doing a SORT
in the middle of the program (I am not sure if the big file is doing
this, too or not), is using this DFSPARM the best way to force the use
of 15 Dynalloc SORTWK files, so I would not have to code SORTWK DD
statements?
Secondary allocation can be requested for work data sets. For the Peerage and
Vale sorting techniques only, secondary allocation is limited to the first 12
work data sets;
No man is a true believer unless he desires for his brother that, what he
desires for himself.
Billy,
To answer one of your questions specifically -
While we have been talking here, I have looked, and found some jobs with
//SORTWK01 DD UNIT=(WORK,5)...
and this will not work, is that right, Sri Kolusu? I would only get the first
volume anyway?
You are correct, this will only use the
Ah, yes, I remember now, we invoked it using ADVEN on the PDP-10, which used
36-bit words and 7-bit ASCII (hence 5 chars per word). I, too, mapped out the
whole thing back in the late '70s, and I too have forgotten most of it since
then.
I well remember struggling to figure out the puzzle of
Broadcom was having some problems with the customer website earlier
today, but I think they are back up and running now.
Thank you and best regards,
Billy Ashton
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Try adding this instead off sorted dd.
//DFSPARM DD *
OPTION DYNALLOC=(SYSDA,15),DYNSPC=768
/*
You can add other options too.
Regards, Doug
On Jul 3, 2023, at 14:34, Michael Oujesky wrote:
Just a warning, but the SORTWK specification decision depends on how SORT is
provided the input
On Jul 3, 2023, at 1:26 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
I was thinking of the old text Adventure written in FORTRAN.
You’re talking about the same game. The full name was “Colossal Cave
Adventure”, but the program file name was usually as many characters of
“ADVENTURE” as the system supported.
Just a warning, but the SORTWK specification decision depends on how
SORT is provided the input data. If via SORTIN, then allowing SORT
to make the determination should be fine. But when the incoming
records are provided SORT one records at a time (piping, E15 exit,
etc,) then nudging SORT's
I was thinking of the old text Adventure written in FORTRAN.
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LOL! Did you know Colossal Cave is now
LOL! Did you know Colossal Cave is now available on Android? I got myself a
copy, intending to map it all out, but so far I'm still exploring the forest on
the surface. Haven't played it in decades. Maybe I should introduce it to my
grandchildren.
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Thanks everyone - these are good recommendations.
However, the guy who came to me first has a job that sorts 450 million
records of 110 bytes, and I can't see how I could run SORT without
specifying SORTWK DD statements. Are there special configuration options
I can verify that we have in
ObNotAdventure You are in a maze of twisty keyboards, all different.
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Mike Schwab
Sent: Monday, July 3, 2023 1:58 PM
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10-11 in laptops generally have 90%
10-11 in laptops generally have 90% keyboard without numeric keyboard..
13-15 in laptops generally have 100% keyboard without numeric keyboard.
17 in + laptops generally have 100% keyboard with numeric keyboard.
On Mon, Jul 3, 2023 at 10:40 AM Seymour J Metz wrote:
>
> People use to complain
I will add on to Sri's excellent answer with my very STRONG recommendation NOT
to use hard-coded SORTWK's in your JCL. Both of the major SORT vendors (IBM
and Syncsort) do a far, far better job of estimating necessary SORTWK space and
memory utilization than any human could hope to do.
I also
>>I will only get the primary space of 5000 cylinders, and the other 14x2000
>>cylinders is never used. Is that right?
Billy,
No. Incorrect. DFSORT will make use of BOTH primary and secondary space
allocations ( 1 primary + 15 Secondary) for a total of 16 extents. So if you
allocated 1
**CORRECTION** - sorry, that's 4,369 cylinders or 65,535 tracks
On Mon, 3 Jul 2023 11:13:03 -0500, Scott Barry wrote:
>Both DFSORT and SYNCSORT make use of primary and secondary space allocations
>(up to the z/OS legacy 16 extents per volume) but for only the first volume -
>there is not
Both DFSORT and SYNCSORT make use of primary and secondary space allocations
(up to the z/OS legacy 16 extents per volume) but for only the first volume -
there is not VOLADD processing taken.
Also, if SORTWKxx DDs are hardcoded, then you must also have the DSNTYPE=LARGE
(either explicit or
I think that Steve's "eternal quest for things to do" was simply a reference to
the
fact that the CPU always fetches another instruction after processing the last
one,
except when the last one was to load a wait state PSW.
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On Sat, 1 Jul 2023 13:15:37 -0500, Paul Gilmartin
The only way to determine the cause is to analyze the dump.
There is no "normally", though there are several "commonly".
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On Sat, 1 Jul 2023 08:03:59 -0500, Bill Giannelli
wrote:
>How do I resolve a 0C1 abend. what is normally the cause?
>thanks
Hello DFSort experts!
Where can I find the explanation of SORTWK space usage? I seem to recall
reading that only the primary space is used on a SORTWK, so if I have
//SORTWK DD SPACE=(CYL,(5000,2000))...
I will only get the primary space of 5000 cylinders, and the other
14x2000 cylinders is
People use to complain when I printed 88 lines per page (8 LPI instead of 6);
later on, with laser printers, I always used smaller fonts than my colleagues
liked.
As for lacktops (sic), my biggest complaint is the keyboard. Why is it no
longer possible to buy a laptop with a standard AT or
I used laptops for years because of travel, but I never used their screens
or keyboards at home. I plug a real screen and a real keyboard into the
laptop, oh yes and a real trackball too. Laptops are marvelous inventions,
but there's no need to put up with their limitations.
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Apparently I used to have really high-resolution eyesight, judging by the
comments of coworkers ("How can you read that?!"); not so much any more. I now
keep around two types of reading classes, a weaker broad-eye set for reading my
monitor at arm's length and slightly stronger granny glasses
Thanks, Hobart.
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Long ago in a galaxy far away I was content with a 3180 running 43x80 primary
and 27x132 secondary (required a custom logmode) and was happy with a 3290
running as one 62x160 screen with ISPF SPLIT and VSPLIT to subdivide it.
Alas, while I know of TN3270 clients that support 62x160, I don't
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On 3/7/2023 9:38 am, Eric Erickson wrote:
I'm a bit perplexed here.
I'm using XL C and the
The z/OSMF UI suffers from a notable issue - despite being labeled as
modern, it falls short in comparison to current web UI standards. It
relies on the outdated Dojo Toolkit, which was already considered
outdated when z/OSMF was initially released and is practically obsolete
now. In defense
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