clutter up the list
with ancillary bickering.
Rex
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Bill Johnson
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Gradual fade? Mainframes process more transactions now
post on the subject so as to not clutter up the list
with ancillary bickering.
Rex
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Bill Johnson
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Gradual fade? Mai
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Andrew Rowley
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On 27/06/2023 11:35 pm, Pommier, Rex wrote:
> If a company is using a 20 MSU system and is forced to buy a 200 MSU system
> because that's the smallest avai
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On 27/06/2023 11:35 pm, Pommier, Rex wrote:
> If a company is using a 20 MSU system and is forced to buy a 200 MSU system
> because that's the smallest available, unless something drastic happens to
> hardware AND so
: Wednesday, June 28, 2023 1:07 AM
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: z/OSMF
I think you are missing the point, why sell something and then before you
sunset that box, make it so that you can't upgrade the software? That's
completely against IBM's original meth
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On Tue, 27 Jun 2023 13:35:47 +, Pommier, Rex
wrote:
>We're running a 2-way, 316 MSU machine and my business customers would squawk
>loudly if I had to move our workload to a 4 way with no more horsepower. We
>have several single-thr
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On 27/06/2023 11:35 pm, Pommier, Rex wrote:
> If a company is using a 20 MSU system and is forced to buy a 200 MSU system
> because that's the smallest availa
On Tue, 27 Jun 2023 13:35:47 +, Pommier, Rex
wrote:
>We're running a 2-way, 316 MSU machine and my business customers would squawk
>loudly if I had to move our workload to a 4 way with no more horsepower. We
>have several single-threaded processes that run that would be woefully
>impacte
On 27/06/2023 11:35 pm, Pommier, Rex wrote:
If a company is using a 20 MSU system and is forced to buy a 200 MSU system because that's the
smallest available, unless something drastic happens to hardware AND software pricing, the company
isn't going to be looking for "what else can I put on thi
2023 3:40 PM
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Why would IBM offer state of the art technology that they’ve spent billions to
develop to “next generation” companies, most of whom will die within a decade?
Wouldn’t that tick off their current customers who mig
cutting off any such development of a future
client base.
Hint: It isn't through outsourcers.
Peter
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Why wou
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> Behalf Of Bill Johnson
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>
> Why would anyone think IBM wants to sell a mainframe to everyon
Sorry, finger check that went unnoticed. Ours is a 216 MSU machine, not 316.
Rex
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From: Pommier, Rex
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Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: z/OSMF
If a company is using a 20 MSU system and is
ourcers.
Peter
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Why would anyone think IBM wants to sell a mainframe to everyone? Any more than
Tesla w
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On 27/06/2023 5:40 pm, Gibney, Dave wrote:
> 200 MSU was much more than we needed. Maybe 20 or so at our peaks. And the
> z/OS and ISV charges at 200 levels would have been intolerable.
That's why
th no more horsepower. We
have several single-threaded processes that run that would be woefully impacted
if the per-engine thruput was halved.
Rex
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The little single CPU processors don't have the boost feature.
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Interesting! Maybe IBM will think about adding logic so a required
process such as this can be boosted permanently, without affecting
anything else running.
Related: I was surprised a couple of weeks ago when the owner of a
particular ISV product said their program can run on a zIIP. I said
On 6/22/2023 9:38 AM, Pommier, Rex wrote:
IBM has their IPL CPU boost function. Maybe they could somehow flag zOSMF to
speed up the processor while it's running so as to not kill the small machine?
My theory is that IPL boost was initially invented to increase z/OSMF
adoption since its start
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After a couple years of use, I feel I'm pretty safe saying that, to me, z/OSMF
appears to be a poorly designed and very badly programmed product. Most
vendors would have ditched the product and stopped promoting it by no
Tempus fugit. I have (personally) seen z/VM do the same thing circa 2015.
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Of Shane G
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 7:21 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: z/OSMF
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: z/OSMF, was How far out of date are my skills
On 27/04/2018 1:38 AM, Tom Marchant wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 16:14:49 +0100, Styles, Andy (ITS zPlatform Services)
> wrote:
>
>> Can't shutdown and IPL in 315 seconds.. (well, we can't).
> No,
On 27/04/2018 8:20 PM, Shane G wrote:
On Fri, 27 Apr 2018 12:40:52 +0800, David Crayford wrote:
On 27/04/2018 1:38 AM, Tom Marchant wrote:
On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 16:14:49 +0100, Styles, Andy (ITS zPlatform Services) wrote:
Can't shutdown and IPL in 315 seconds.. (well, we can't).
No, but you
On Fri, 27 Apr 2018 12:40:52 +0800, David Crayford wrote:
>On 27/04/2018 1:38 AM, Tom Marchant wrote:
>> On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 16:14:49 +0100, Styles, Andy (ITS zPlatform Services)
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Can't shutdown and IPL in 315 seconds.. (well, we can't).
>> No, but you can move the work to anothe
astructure
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Amen.
– Vignesh
On 27/04/2018 1:38 AM, Tom Marchant wrote:
On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 16:14:49 +0100, Styles, Andy (ITS zPlatform Services) wrote:
Can't shutdown and IPL in 315 seconds.. (well, we can't).
No, but you can move the work to another LPAR in the Sysplex before
the IPL, minimizing the application down tim
On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 16:14:49 +0100, Styles, Andy (ITS zPlatform Services) wrote:
>Can't shutdown and IPL in 315 seconds.. (well, we can't).
No, but you can move the work to another LPAR in the Sysplex before
the IPL, minimizing the application down time.
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Is it outage, rather than downtime? (ie, unexpected)
Can't shutdown and IPL in 315 seconds.. (well, we can't).
Andy Styles
z/Series System Programmer
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>(z/OS) claims "six nine
On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 14:00:37 +, Allan Staller wrote:
>(z/OS) claims "six nines" of availability (99.99%;
That would be eight nines. Do they talk about six nines now?
I remember 5 nines, or available 99.999% of the time. That corresponds
to about 315 seconds of down time per year, by my
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Don't forget the
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Amen.
– Vignesh
Mainframe Infrastructure
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Amen.
– Vignesh
Mainframe Infrastructure
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Of Allan Staller
Sent: 26 April 2018 15:01
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Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: z/OSMF, was How far out of date are my skills
Also, z/OSMF runs on z/OS.. do the others?
I do not currently have enough hands on experience w/ z/OSMF to vote
yay or nay on z/OSMF. The tools I am referring to do not.
Who knows what h/w and OS KC, RL, etc. run on.
*NIX hardware is in a class w/z hardware. They do not have the dy
yanan, Vignesh
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Hey Allan,
I'm only talking about the UX.
Don't know about the full history of each to make statements about their
functionality.
After
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Now if only (Knowledge Centre, ResourceL
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Hi John,
If I may share some feedback on z/OSMF...
Kind of pains to see this UI.
Knowledge Centre
Eells
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Gibney, Dave wrote:
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