Re: 3380 was actually FBA?

2015-08-13 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 13:21:45 -0500, Joel Ewing wrote: My strong impression was that the erased IBG between physical blocks was a requirement for proper sensing of beginning of a block. The requirement that some 32-byte increments must be left unused for IBGs indicates these 32-byte groupings

Re: 3380 was actually FBA?

2015-08-13 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
inudstry move to 4096-byte fixed blocks for improved error correction and track capacity. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Format http://www.seagate.com/tech-insights/advanced-format-4k-sector-hard-drives-master-ti/ re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015g.html#4 3380 was actually FBA

3380 was actually FBA?

2015-08-12 Thread Jerry Callen
In another thread, l...@garlic.com wrote: ... but then if MVS had FBA support wouldn't have needed to do 3380 as CKD (even tho inherently it was FBA underneath) ... I didn't know that. Was that the first (and/or last?) IBM SLED to be inherently FBA under the hood? Where were the smarts for

Re: 3380 was actually FBA?

2015-08-12 Thread Glen Hermannsfeldt (Contractor)
The important distinction of FBA is that block headers aren't rewritten when the data is changed. (Not counting when a low-level format is done, normally for the whole drive.) I don't know the low-level details of the 3380 to know. It might be that the 32 byte blocks are related to ECC, and

Re: 3380 was actually FBA?

2015-08-12 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
jcal...@narsil.org (Jerry Callen) writes: In another thread, l...@garlic.com wrote: ... but then if MVS had FBA support wouldn't have needed to do 3380 as CKD (even tho inherently it was FBA underneath) ... I didn't know that. Was that the first (and/or last?) IBM SLED to be inherently

Re: 3380 was actually FBA?

2015-08-12 Thread Joel Ewing
On 08/12/2015 07:38 AM, Jerry Callen wrote: In another thread, l...@garlic.com wrote: ... but then if MVS had FBA support wouldn't have needed to do 3380 as CKD (even tho inherently it was FBA underneath) ... I didn't know that. Was that the first (and/or last?) IBM SLED to be