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on 05/17/2013
at 05:18 PM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com said:
I don't know B; I do know and admire BCPL, and C resembles it only to
the extent that a butterfly resembles a tree. BCPL is not entirely
type-free; it is
Push, especially everyone in the new programming thinking,berthing and eating
java
Scott ford
www.identityforge.com
from my IPAD
'Infinite wisdom through infinite means'
On May 17, 2013, at 9:08 PM, J. Leslie Turriff jlturr...@centurytel.net
wrote:
On Friday 17 May 2013 07:23:19 John
The unfortunate decision was Ritchie's original one to treat character
strings as arrays of single characters.
All this was part of an episteme that viewed smallness/minimality and
notional portability as highly desirable, crucial language
characteristics. They are, of course, appealing; but
C doesn't much seem like an HLL to me. Perhaps more of an MLL (Middle
Level Language). I've also heard it called sumething like a structured
assembler language. And, like assembler, it doesn't protect you from
yourself. It is simple to overrun a string's area in both assembler
and C if you aren't
John McKown's notion that C is a middle-level language has merit.
In some respects it is. Better, perhaps, it can be used like assembly
language; and when it is I have heard the results described as having
all of the expressive power and all of the portability of assembly
language.
In the hands
to write for a
new platform.
Lloyd
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From: John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com
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Sent: Fri, May 17, 2013 9:02:30 AM
Subject: Re: Business politics and software development
John McKown's notion that C is a middle-level language has merit.
In some
On Fri, 17 May 2013 07:24:48 -0700, Lloyd Fuller wrote:
You have to look at where C was originally designed to run. It was designed
for
the DEC PDP8. Those were SMALL in resources machines. Later versions of C
were
built on the PDP11s, but Richie and crew started out on the PDP8. And, yes,
IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU wrote on
05/17/2013 08:23:19 AM:
From: John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com
... it was not understood
just how FORTRAN-like C is.
great putdown
ranks with: C: the only language that is self grading
-
In
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on 05/17/2013
at 07:34 AM, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com said:
C doesn't much seem like an HLL to me. Perhaps more of an MLL
(Middle Level Language). I've also heard it called sumething like
a structured
First written on the PDP-11, inspired by the assembler rework needed
to move from the PDP-7.
--
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C_%28programming_language%29#Early_developments
3rd paragraph, sentence 1-2:
The original PDP-11 version of the Unix system was developed in
assembly language. By 1973, with
C: the only language that is self grading
ERROR! ERROR! Statement inaccurate!
C's predecessor was B derived from BCPL (Basic Computer Programming Language).
I used all three in University in the 1970's.
Also, two experimental languages in the Waterloo Portability Lab (Eh and Z -
pronounced
On Friday 17 May 2013 07:23:19 John Gilmore wrote:
Statement-level procedural languages only cease to grow when
they cease to be used, and C is now a behemoth too.
Too true; just look at ooRexx versus the original mainframe Rexx.
Leslie
In
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on 05/13/2013
at 02:20 PM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com said:
Anachronistic criticism of past design decisions is not, of course,
what I had in mind. The inventor of the nul-delimited string cannot
reasonably be blamed
: Sunday, May 12, 2013 6:53:19 PM
Subject: Business politics and software development
This is an interesting exposition on the subject. I suppose that this
is
unavoidable in any business that produces large software systems.
http://blog.zorinaq.com/?e=74
and then
complaints about the software's performance will go away for a few more
years.
Bill Fairchild
Franklin, TN
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From: J. Leslie Turriff jlturr...@centurytel.net
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Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 6:53:19 PM
Subject: Business politics
Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.
This is a pervasive mainframe problem too.
I have not heard the term used recently, but for obvious reasons IBM
marketing people used to prize what they called 'hardware hawks' very
highly.
A hardware hawk was a customer executive whose unvarying
is to some extent accessible to every bad guy in a
basement in Russia.
Charles
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On Mon, 13 May 2013 10:46:45 -0400, John Gilmore wrote:
The work of Rufus Isaacs on aircraft-collision avoidance, which I have
mentioned here before, is highly instructive. He found that the only
safe collision-avoidance strategies for aircraft A in an air space
also occupied by aircrafts B, C,
Paul Gilmartin wrote:
begin extract
Plus those that would occur only to someone who was proficient in it.
(Or is that what you meant to say?)
/end extract
I said what I meant to say. At least some of the developers of a
compiler for language L are usually proficient in it. In my
experienced
This is an interesting exposition on the subject. I suppose that this
is
unavoidable in any business that produces large software systems.
http://blog.zorinaq.com/?e=74
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Sorry; I should have marked that Off-Topic.
This is an interesting exposition on the subject. I suppose that this
is
unavoidable in any business that produces large software systems.
http://blog.zorinaq.com/?e=74
Leslie
Very interesting
Scott ford
www.identityforge.com
from my IPAD
'Infinite wisdom through infinite means'
On May 12, 2013, at 7:55 PM, J. Leslie Turriff jlturr...@centurytel.net
wrote:
Sorry; I should have marked that Off-Topic.
This is an interesting exposition on the subject. I
They kind of listened with the Windows 8 almost instant on feature.
Too bad they forced the tablet interface with it's restrictions on top
of it.
On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 7:36 PM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com wrote:
Very interesting
Scott ford
www.identityforge.com
from my IPAD
On Sun, 12 May 2013 18:55:05 -0500, J. Leslie Turriff wrote:
Sorry; I should have marked that Off-Topic.
This is an interesting exposition on the subject. I suppose that this
is
unavoidable in any business that produces large software systems.
http://blog.zorinaq.com/?e=74
I
On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 9:51 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote:
On Sun, 12 May 2013 18:55:05 -0500, J. Leslie Turriff wrote:
Sorry; I should have marked that Off-Topic.
This is an interesting exposition on the subject. I suppose that this
is
unavoidable in any
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