Could someone/IBM provide a Wiki so that people can update messages and so
we build up a profile of common messages, problems, and solutions.
If you find the documentation is insufficient then you create an entry and
expand any response. If it fixes your problem then +1 the relevant topic.
For
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Subject: Re: Error messages (a rant and an idea)
Isn’t that pretty much what BPXMTEXT does? Is it VM/CMS that allows you to
enter a “command” of just a question mark “?” after an error condition to get a
more complete explanation of an error? Could the shell p
On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 16:05:18 -0400, Phil Smith III wrote:
>
>I've decided this is supporting my thesis-can't quite tell? Or are you saying
>this is one of those cases where breaking it out into several messages would
>have made sense?
>
One of my pet peeves is disjunctive explanations:
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Mon, Sep 18, 2023 at 3:19 PM, Phil Smith III < wrote:
> While I
Steve Beaver wrote:
>I can remember when IDC3009I was just maybe half a page max.
>Now you look at IDC3009I and it pages upon pages of diagnostic codes
>and what they mean
I've decided this is supporting my thesis-can't quite tell? Or are you saying
this is one of those cases where breaking it
s and
what they mean
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While I agree that it wou
While I agree that it would be nice if the messages were complete, I'm not sure
I can see a business case for IBM to implement that. It would cost a lot,
consume the last two or three remaining docs folks well past their retirement
age, and.for what? Will it increase z/OS uptake? I doubt it.
is what
> you
> are, reputation merely what others think you are.” - - - John Wooden
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On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 17:18:23 +, Farley, Peter wrote:
>Isn’t that pretty much what BPXMTEXT does? Is it VM/CMS that allows you to
>enter a “command” of just a question mark “?” after an error condition to get
>a more complete explanation of an error? Could the shell program support such
: Error messages (a rant and an idea)
On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 09:51:36 -0400, Rick Troth wrote:
>A confluence of several things.
>First, z/VM has a facility (been there for decades) that facilitates
>(sorta) what you're talking about.
>MVS people, please don't shrink back. We can
DSN=hlq.MESSAGE.Epfxlng. (message prefix, language code).
IDCAMS Repro
On Mon, Sep 18, 2023 at 10:32 AM Paul Gilmartin
<042bfe9c879d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
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> On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 10:47:54 -0400, Bob Bridges wrote:
> >
> >Seems like I'm going against the current, here, but if
On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 10:47:54 -0400, Bob Bridges wrote:
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>Seems like I'm going against the current, here, but if they tried to add all
>the text of every message manual to every app ... nah, I can't see it.
>
Don't keep the texts in the apps themselves. Keep them in a KSDS.
Could even be
of
Lionel B. Dyck
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2023 10:57 AM
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Subject: Re: Error messages (a rant and an idea)
I'm not suggesting they would/should do it for z/OS messages but at least
for all the shell commands since those using the shell commands come from an
environment
on merely what others think you are. - - - John Wooden
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Bob Bridges
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Subject: Re: Error messages (a rant and an idea)
Sorry, I can't agree.
: Monday, September 18, 2023 10:47 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Error messages (a rant and an idea)
Sorry, I can't agree. Manuals are the lifeblood of any competent z/OS
worker, no? And since they're available on-line, all I have to do is get a
decent collection of them. Message
think you are.” - - - John Wooden
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Binyamin Dissen
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Subject: Re: Error messages (a rant and an idea)
Do you want to put QuickRef out of business?
On Mon, 18 Sep 2023
Sorry, I can't agree. Manuals are the lifeblood of any competent z/OS
worker, no? And since they're available on-line, all I have to do is get a
decent collection of them. Message manuals are among my first choice,
always.
Seems like I'm going against the current, here, but if they tried to
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Subject: Re: Error messages (a rant and an idea)
Do you want to put QuickRef out of business?
On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 07:06:48 -0500 "Lionel B. Dyck"
wrote:
:>I submitted this IBM Idea and would appreciate your support if youre able
:>to vote:
:>
:>https
Do you want to put QuickRef out of business?
On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 07:06:48 -0500 "Lionel B. Dyck" wrote:
:>I submitted this IBM Idea and would appreciate your support if youre able
:>to vote:
:>
:>https://ibm-z-hardware-and-operating-systems.ideas.ibm.com/ideas/ZOS-I-3827
:>
:>The text is:
:>
On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 09:51:36 -0400, Rick Troth wrote:
>A confluence of several things.
>First, z/VM has a facility (been there for decades) that facilitates
>(sorta) what you're talking about.
>MVS people, please don't shrink back. We can easily have the same
>service on z/OS.
>
See:
And keep that URL valid for the life of the message. Good luck with that.
On 9/18/2023 6:33 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 12:35:57 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:
And include a URL for users of terminals that support links.
A confluence of several things.
First, z/VM has a facility (been there for decades) that facilitates
(sorta) what you're talking about.
MVS people, please don't shrink back. We can easily have the same
service on z/OS.
When I was in a previous gig, someone had used the VM message handler to
On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 12:35:57 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>
>There's a tradeoff between providing enough detail and cluttering the output.
>What I'd suggest asking for is message that tell the user all relevant
>variable, have an understandable summary and show the command to use for more
tails, e.g., "For more details use the command bpxmtext DEADBEEF."
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Lionel B. Dyck
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To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Error messages (a rant and an idea)
I submitted this IBM Idea and would appreciate your support if youre able
to vote:
https://ibm-z-hardware-and-operating-systems.ideas.ibm.com/ideas/ZOS-I-3827
The text is:
Title:
All error messages for shell tools should be complete and NOT require
referencing a Messages and Codes manual
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