Re: Mainframe vs Server - The Debate Continues

2013-07-30 Thread Richards, Robert B.
Tom, Don't feed the animals. Anton does not deserve a reply. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Tom Marchant Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 12:05 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Mainframe vs Server

Re: Mainframe vs Server - The Debate Continues

2013-07-30 Thread Tom Marchant
On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 07:55:02 -0600, AbsKerneels Timothy, > >You are always falling out of the LEFT field ... >you need to go stay in a Holiday Inn Express : > >(youtube link removed) That's pretty far out in left field, Kerneels. -- Tom Marchant

Re: Mainframe vs Server - The Debate Continues

2013-07-30 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013j.html#59 Mainframe vs Server - The Debate Continues http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013j.html#60 Mainframe vs Server - The Debate Continues http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013j.html#62 Mainframe vs Server - The Debate Continues also, as mentioned before ... part

Re: Mainframe vs Server - The Debate Continues

2013-07-30 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
es: staffing/labor. Understandably so perhaps since it's > tough to write such benchmark standards, but costs that are merely hard to > calculate are no less real. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013j.html#59 Mainframe vs Server - The Debate Continues http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013j.html

Re: Mainframe vs Server - The Debate Continues

2013-07-30 Thread AbsKerneels
Timothy, You are always falling out of the LEFT field with your replies and maybe it's the food that is doing it to you in the FAR EAST : a) Nobody wants to argue about the definition of a transaction or how to do a bench mark.. .because that is NOT what Oracle said b) Or what should be incl

Re: Mainframe vs Server - The Debate Continues

2013-07-30 Thread Timothy Sipples
Kerneels comments: >Google APPS are FREE for all educational institution and I just finished >an assignment for an Educational institution but the "old world" can not >compete with FREE. They are "free" provided the institution and its users agree to Google's terms of service. To oversimplify only

Re: Mainframe vs Server - The Debate Continues

2013-07-29 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 18:05 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Mainframe vs Server - The Debate Continues This was posted on the VM newsgroup and l thought I would pass it along http://searchdatacenter.techtarget.com/opinion/Evolving-IT-

Re: Mainframe vs Server - The Debate Continues

2013-07-29 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
mike.a.sch...@gmail.com (Mike Schwab) writes: > Umm, isn't that the Internet? Mainframes, Servers, and PCs able to > access almost anything. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013j.html#59 Mainframe vs Server - The Debate Continues major forces attempted to prevent it from happening .

Re: Mainframe vs Server - The Debate Continues

2013-07-29 Thread Mike Schwab
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Lizette Koehler wrote: > This was posted on the VM newsgroup and l thought I would pass it along > > http://searchdatacenter.techtarget.com/opinion/Evolving-IT-needs-and-capabil > ities-restart-mainframe-vs-server-debate?asrc=EM_NLT_22746667&utm_medium=EM& > utm_s

Re: Mainframe vs Server - The Debate Continues

2013-07-29 Thread Mike Schwab
Umm, isn't that the Internet? Mainframes, Servers, and PCs able to access almost anything. On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 1:42 PM, Duffy Nightingale, SSPI wrote: > I predict that one day everyone on Earth will be connected to one giant IBM > Mainframe and all share in the payment! Of course, I passed

Re: Mainframe vs Server - The Debate Continues

2013-07-29 Thread Ed Gould
On Jul 29, 2013, at 11:55 AM, AbsKerneels wrote: -SNIP My point ? He sounds like somebody that can also solve the Euro zone crisis .. and the Arab Spring .. and maybe help the Republicans to get back the popular vote in the USA t

Re: Mainframe vs Server - The Debate Continues

2013-07-29 Thread Duffy Nightingale, SSPI
Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 9:05 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Mainframe vs Server - The Debate Continues This was posted on the VM newsgroup and l thought I would pass it a

Re: Mainframe vs Server - The Debate Continues

2013-07-29 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
kerne...@absoftwareconsultants.com (AbsKerneels) writes: > Note: On the back of the last weeks Economist ? Oracle claims they can > give you TWICE the performance at 33% of the cost of an IBM true BLUE > solution. note that tpc benchmarks include total cost numbers per operation ... if the mainfra

Re: Mainframe vs Server - The Debate Continues

2013-07-29 Thread AbsKerneels
Just for the academically inclined among us ? a) The article was written by Sander van Vugt b) Sander van Vlugt went to a University exactly TWENTY years ago... c) He earns his bread money by running around and training people how to implement LINUX http://www.linkedin.com/pub/sander-van-vugt

Re: Mainframe vs Server - The Debate Continues

2013-07-29 Thread AbsKerneels
Hi, Not sure this article was written by anybody that attended a university in the last 20 years and I am extracting from the article : Even if mainframes are a tough sell, it is clear that a comeback is in the works. Large companies can even save money on IT infrastructure by replacing hund

Re: Mainframe vs Server - The Debate Continues

2013-07-29 Thread Peter Eggebeen
Nobody is going to want higher availability for less money! That is just silly :) Pete Eggebeen Senior Systems Engineer Mainframe Storage Management Kohl's Corporation (920) 207-0108 (Cell) On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Lizette Koehler wrote: > This was posted on the VM newsgroup and l tho

Mainframe vs Server - The Debate Continues

2013-07-29 Thread Lizette Koehler
This was posted on the VM newsgroup and l thought I would pass it along http://searchdatacenter.techtarget.com/opinion/Evolving-IT-needs-and-capabil ities-restart-mainframe-vs-server-debate?asrc=EM_NLT_22746667&utm_medium=EM& utm_source=NLT&utm_campaign=20130729_Intel%20shifts%20focus%20to%20micro