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In <20150617214111.5353554.62004.40...@yahoo.ca>, on 06/17/2015 at 05:41 PM, Ted MacNEIL said: >The only reason for they (singular) is for formal documentation and >the press. ... >But, it's all for the sake of political correctness. Nonsense. They (singular) was around centuries before PC

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On Fri, 19 Jun 2015 11:23:54 -0400, Gary Weinhold wrote: > From conversations with a child who prefers not to be identified by >gender and who also studied lingustics, I suspect that just as all the >rules I learned about when to use "me" and "I" seem to be ignored when >"and" is used ("John and

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From conversations with a child who prefers not to be identified by gender and who also studied lingustics, I suspect that just as all the rules I learned about when to use "me" and "I" seem to be ignored when "and" is used ("John and me will be using the tickets given to Nancy and I") that "th

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Behalf Of Robert A. Rosenberg Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 3:24 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OT STCK question At 06:59 -0500 on 06/18/2015, Tom Marchant wrote about Re: OT STCK question: >On Wed, 17 Jun 2015 20:03:01 -0400, Robert A. Rosenberg wrote: > > >The pro

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At 06:59 -0500 on 06/18/2015, Tom Marchant wrote about Re: OT STCK question: On Wed, 17 Jun 2015 20:03:01 -0400, Robert A. Rosenberg wrote: >The problem is that there is no gender neutral/un-specified singular. We have "it", but we don't like to refer to people as "

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On Wed, 17 Jun 2015 20:03:01 -0400, Robert A. Rosenberg wrote: >The problem is that there is no gender neutral/un-specified singular. We have "it", but we don't like to refer to people as "it". In many languages every object has a gender and there is a masculine and feminine "the" to go with it

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At 22:23 + on 06/17/2015, J O Skip Robinson wrote about Re: OT STCK question: The he/she/they conundrum in English is just another flavor of the same problem. Once we commit to the sex of a pronoun, it's hard to use it for the opposite gender, even to the point where we give into n

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..@sce.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Tom Brennan Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 2:19 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OT STCK question My wife is from a country where the same word is used for both

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UA.EDU Reply To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List Subject: Re: OT STCK question Aw geez, where's Gilmore when we need him? On 6/17/2015 3:48 PM, Ted MacNEIL wrote: > It's generally for generic usage. > It's okay when used colloquially, ie: > Pat enjoys a drink when he&#x

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So instead of he,she, it. We'd have ze,ze,zitback to work knaves! In a message dated 6/17/2015 4:18:45 P.M. Central Daylight Time, t...@tombrennansoftware.com writes: because it sounds like we're talking about two separate people. So I vote for a new word, and that would solve the Ca

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My wife is from a country where the same word is used for both he and she. I've heard translations like, "A man came into the store today, and she complained about the service". I have to stop for a second because it sounds like we're talking about two separate people. So I vote for a new wo

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to straw-person arguments. - -teD - Original Message From: Paul Gilmartin Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 16:31 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Reply To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List Subject: Re: OT STCK question On Mon, 15 Jun 2015 19:30:26 -0400, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: If "they&

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ne 17, 2015 16:31 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Reply To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List Subject: Re: OT STCK question On Mon, 15 Jun 2015 19:30:26 -0400, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: > >>If "they" is newly to assume a singular meaning, > >Newly? That ship sailed before or

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Well we could produce a new word. Maybe: ze, zey, zer, zoo.Leave it as an exercise for the reader-past pluperfect subjunctive! In a message dated 6/17/2015 3:31:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu writes: "Pat tells me that they enjoy a glas

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On Mon, 15 Jun 2015 19:30:26 -0400, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: > >>If "they" is newly to assume a singular meaning, > >Newly? That ship sailed before or grandfathers were born. > No, it's dragging its anchor most uncomfortably: "Pat tells me that they enjoy a glass of wine with their me

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In <3077152189307302.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu>, on 06/15/2015 at 10:30 AM, Paul Gilmartin <000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> said: >If "they" is newly to assume a singular meaning, Newly? That ship sailed before or grandfathers were born. -- Shmuel (Seymour

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On Sun, 14 Jun 2015 17:44:20 +, J O Skip Robinson wrote: >I should let this go, but Sunday is still Friday in the mind. > >Number agreement is based on subject - predicate. That is, subject (noun, >pronoun) should be consistent with its associated verb. Whether a pronoun and >its associated

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> The Hebrew Bible goes back farther. You probably meant "further".;-) === > Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2015 17:17:03 -0400 > From: shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net > Subject: Re: OT STCK question > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > In > , > on 06/14/2015 >

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In , on 06/14/2015 at 05:54 PM, J O Skip Robinson said: >How's that for pedigree? The Hebrew Bible goes back farther. O r were you only looking at English? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see We don't car

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rogram Co-Manager 626-302-7535 Office 323-715-0595 Mobile jo.skip.robin...@sce.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 5:56 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: O

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com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 3:11 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OT STCK question On 2015-06-12 15:57, J O Skip Robinson wrote: > I suggest that anyone matricu

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In , on 06/12/2015 at 05:31 PM, J O Skip Robinson said: >I have no problem with 'they/them' as genderless generic pronouns. That's good, because the usage goes back hundreds of years. OTOH, I cringe when I hear "media is" or, worse, "medias are". >But failure of number agreement is linguisti

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> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin > Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 3:11 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: OT STCK question > > On 2015-06-12 15:57, J O Skip Robin

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On 12 June 2015 at 18:10, Paul Gilmartin < 000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > On 2015-06-12 15:57, J O Skip Robinson wrote: > > I suggest that anyone matriculating at a US university not try to get > away with 'they is' on a placement exam. (S)he will find theirself in > Bone

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On 2015-06-12 15:57, J O Skip Robinson wrote: > I suggest that anyone matriculating at a US university not try to get away > with 'they is' on a placement exam. (S)he will find theirself in Bonehead > English. > And yet, "A person who uses that construct should know that they are destined for B

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535 Office 323-715-0595 Mobile jo.skip.robin...@sce.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 11:44 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OT STCK question Canada and the US: two

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Canada and the US: two countries separated by a common language. - -teD -   Original Message   From: J O Skip Robinson Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 14:21 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Reply To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List Subject: Re: OT STCK question My head is about to explode. In US English

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-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Robert A. Rosenberg Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 7:37 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OT STCK question At 11:19 -0500 on 06/11/2015, Paul Gilmartin wrote about Re: OT STCK quest

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At 11:19 -0500 on 06/11/2015, Paul Gilmartin wrote about Re: OT STCK question: On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 10:47:39 -0500, Mike Schwab wrote: I use they all the time as the genderless pronoun. A supervisor suggested he, I changed it to (s)he. Of course, like all pronouns, it should assimilate its

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I don't know about politically correct. But, it is recommended in the Canadian Press Book of Style. - -teD -   Original Message   From: Paul Gilmartin Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 18:11 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Reply To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List Subject: Re: OT STCK question On Th

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In , on 06/11/2015 at 10:47 AM, Mike Schwab said: >I use they all the time as the genderless pronoun. That would be he in contemporary English, but they has long antecedents. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see

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On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 10:47:39 -0500, Mike Schwab wrote: >I use they all the time as the genderless pronoun. A supervisor >suggested he, I changed it to (s)he. > Of course, like all pronouns, it should assimilate its number, singular, from its antecedent. A form both politically and gramatically

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I use they all the time as the genderless pronoun. A supervisor suggested he, I changed it to (s)he. On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 10:10 AM, Ted MacNEIL wrote: > ‎A common choice, at least in Canada, is to use the plural pro-noun, since, > in English, it in gender neutral. > > It's difficult to get u

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‎A common choice, at least in Canada, is to use the plural pro-noun, since, in English, it in gender neutral. It's difficult to get used to, at first. - -teD -   Original Message   From: Elardus Engelbrecht Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 10:46 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Reply To: IBM Mainframe