I find a great deal of value in reading your posts, Steve. Knowing that you
have experience with Amdahl in hardware adds to my respect for your insights.
> On 29 Aug 2023, at 8:35 am, Steve Thompson wrote:
>
> Back in the day, we worked on RAS. So we put in error detection hardware
>
On 29/8/2023 8:35 am, Steve Thompson wrote:
What happens if a WINTEL server running MQ buys the farm? Those
inflight transactions going through that server may time out and have
to be re-driven. Is this considered an outage? Not if you have a
second one handling the load and it takes over.
Back in the day, we worked on RAS. So we put in error detection
hardware (sometimes that was "firmware, or macrocode) and IBM and
all our competitors were doing the same. And the idea was to have
redundant power supplies so that a CE could do maint, and not
take down the system. And if
This is easy. Another company offering 5 9’s.
https://www.sdxcentral.com/articles/sponsored/syndicated/why-five-nines-of-service-availability-matters-for-sase/2023/02/
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On Monday, August 28, 2023, 8:12 PM, David Crayford wrote:
> On 29 Aug 2023, at 8:05 am,
Welcome to 7 9’s idiot.
https://www.itmanagement101.co.uk/who-commits-to-five-nines-99-999-availability/
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On Monday, August 28, 2023, 8:12 PM, David Crayford wrote:
> On 29 Aug 2023, at 8:05 am, Bill Johnson
>
> On 29 Aug 2023, at 8:05 am, Bill Johnson
> <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>
> You’re the weakest link here. How can IBM guarantee 99.999 uptime for systems
> they don’t make or support? I’ve worked for numerous companies that didn’t
> have outages of the mainframe
Simple Google search turned up this company who promises 99.999. LOL
https://www.serviceobjects.com/blog/weve-raised-the-bar-99-999-uptime-guarantee/
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On Monday, August 28, 2023, 7:47 PM, David Crayford wrote:
> On 29 Aug 2023, at 7:41 am, Bill Johnson
>
You’re the weakest link here. How can IBM guarantee 99.999 uptime for systems
they don’t make or support? I’ve worked for numerous companies that didn’t have
outages of the mainframe for years. Health insurance companies can get huge
fines if their systems are unavailable. I also looked on
> On 29 Aug 2023, at 7:41 am, Bill Johnson
> <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>
> You’re ASSuming Zelle is on the mainframe.
Why does it matter where it’s running. Banking applications are only as
reliable as their weakest link.
> Multiple 9’s is a fact and many
You’re ASSuming Zelle is on the mainframe. Multiple 9’s is a fact and many
companies are running it. You’re an idiot. More truth. Looks like you threaten
people on the internet too.
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On Monday, August 28, 2023, 7:27 PM, David Crayford wrote:
On 28/8/2023
On 28/8/2023 10:21 pm, Bill Johnson wrote:
LOL, there’s Crayfish making stupid comments again. The difference between me
and Perryman is I tell the truth. IBM does offer multiple 9’s uptime. And
numerous banks have the setup necessary.
JP Morgan (a REAL bank) spends BILLIONS per year on IT.
Subject: Re: RPMs for installs and Maint: [WAS SMP/E needed for installs?]
Am I the only one who remembers JES2 level sets?
On Mon, Aug 28, 2023 at 8:30 AM Allan Staller <
0387911dea17-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu>
My credentials are impeccable. And I don’t embellish mine like most LinkedIn
accounts. Google it, fraudulent resumes are a big problem on LinkedIn.
I’ve had no problem getting jobs over my 40+ years in IT.
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On Monday, August 28, 2023, 10:13 AM, David Crayford
Maybe I’m Jerzy!
What’s this about Dave?
“As with many other people who have been warned in the past, you will find
yourself constantly looking over your shoulders for an undefined period of
time. That is a promise, not a threat.”
Regards,
David P. Crayford
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> On 28 Aug 2023, at 10:21 pm, Bill Johnson
> <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>
> And numerous banks have the setup necessary. JP Morgan (a REAL bank) spends
> BILLIONS per year on IT.
I hope so. They’re doing a PoC for one of our products at the moment. But they
LOL, there’s Crayfish making stupid comments again. The difference between me
and Perryman is I tell the truth. IBM does offer multiple 9’s uptime. And
numerous banks have the setup necessary. JP Morgan (a REAL bank) spends
BILLIONS per year on IT.
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> On 28 Aug 2023, at 9:22 pm, David Spiegel
> <0468385049d1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>
> Hi David,
> You said: "... he's been banging on ..."
> This reminds me of a Yiddish expression that fits with this theme (and is
> said to the "bang"er): Hack Mir Nisht Kain Chainik!
> (In
ial
> >
> > "You never see a PTF that is 1MB"
> >
> > JAVA SDK's ?
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On
> > Behalf Of Jon Perryman
> > Sent: Friday, August 25, 2023 8:56 PM
> > To: IBM-MAIN
al Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf
> Of Jon Perryman
> Sent: Friday, August 25, 2023 8:56 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: RPMs for installs and Maint: [WAS SMP/E needed for installs?]
>
> [CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Orga
Classification: Confidential
"You never see a PTF that is 1MB"
JAVA SDK's ?
-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Jon
Perryman
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2023 8:56 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: RPMs for installs and Maint: [WAS SM
Hi David,
You said: "... he's been banging on ..."
This reminds me of a Yiddish expression that fits with this theme (and
is said to the "bang"er): Hack Mir Nisht Kain Chainik!
(In English, Don't bang the tea kettle for me! (i.e. stop blathering))
Regards,
David
On 2023-08-28 07:15, David
On 27/8/2023 11:05 am, Tom Brennan wrote:
A bigger problem is Jon says things like this with such conviction and
authority that other people reading these posts, perhaps years from
now, will think they are true.
Don't engage with him! There's no point in debating with a troll.
Lately, he's
.
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of
Joel C. Ewing
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2023 12:32 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: RPMs for installs and Maint: [WAS SMP/E needed for installs?]
Tthere isn't really any direct equivalence between RPM and SMP/E
concepts
I don’t pay attention to anyone but Kurt Quackenbush when it comes to SMPe.
He’s the expert.
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On Sunday, August 27, 2023, 12:16 AM, Tom Brennan
wrote:
By themselves, probably few here would care. But you used M=Maintenance
and the 1MB limit as part of your
By themselves, probably few here would care. But you used M=Maintenance
and the 1MB limit as part of your comparison of SMP/E vs. Linux install
methods. That's when it becomes more of a problem.
On 8/26/2023 8:39 PM, Jon Perryman wrote:
I grant you that M stands for Modification and that
> On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 08:05:31 PM PDT, Tom Brennan
> wrote:
> A bigger problem is Jon says things like this with such conviction and
> authority that other people reading these posts, perhaps years from now,
> will think they are true.
I grant you that M stands for Modification
He has a future in politics.
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On Saturday, August 26, 2023, 11:05 PM, Tom Brennan
wrote:
A bigger problem is Jon says things like this with such conviction and
authority that other people reading these posts, perhaps years from now,
will think they are
A bigger problem is Jon says things like this with such conviction and
authority that other people reading these posts, perhaps years from now,
will think they are true.
On 8/26/2023 7:31 PM, David Spiegel wrote:
Hi Jon,
You said: "...The M in SMP/e stands for Maintenance ..."
This statement
Hi Jon,
Another misspeak ...
You said: " ...You never see a PTF that is 1MB. ..."
I've seen PTFs that are a lot bigger than 1 Mb.
Regards,
David
On 2023-08-25 21:55, Jon Perryman wrote:
On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 11:57:33 AM PDT, Steve Thompson
wrote:
With Linux distros there are a few
Hi Jon,
You said: "...The M in SMP/e stands for Maintenance ..."
This statement has NEVER been true.
The M is an abbreviation of Modification and it has ALWAYS been this way.
Regards,
David
On 2023-08-25 21:55, Jon Perryman wrote:
On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 11:57:33 AM PDT, Steve Thompson
> On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 09:32:34 PM PDT, Joel C. Ewing
> wrote:
> in that sense a package is similar to an FMID of a z/OS product;
A Unix package name combined with the version is an SMP/e FMID. Just like Unix,
a z/OS will have 1 or more FMID. Like Unix, installing 1 of the FMIDs will
> On 26 Aug 2023, at 9:55 am, Jon Perryman wrote:
>
> I think z/OS uptime is 99.%.
I don’t think so. IBM claim 99.999% single server uptime for z and that’s just
the hardware. That’s the same as they claim for POWER running either AIX or
Linux on RedHat Open Shift and what HP claim for
Tthere isn't really any direct equivalence between RPM and SMP/E
concepts of maintenance.
Since a large Linux application (like LibreOffice) may be packaged as
several interdependent packages, in that sense a package is similar to
an FMID of a z/OS product; but the number of pieces/files
> On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 11:57:33 AM PDT, Steve Thompson
> wrote:
> With Linux distros there are a few maint systems. The one I am
> most familiar with is RPM.
Linux (nor Unix) does NOT have any maint systems. P in RPM stands for Package
which is the z/OS equivalent of product /
]
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Subject: RPMs for installs and Maint: [WAS SMP/E needed for installs?]
With Linux distros there are a few maint systems. The one I am
most familiar with is RPM.
To me YAST (the Linux equivalent of SMP/E) handles upgrades an
The list of OS and HW pairs ...
AIX-powerpc (or "ppc")
AIX-powerpc64 (or "ppc64")
CYGWIN-i386
CYGWIN-x86_64
Darwin-i386
Darwin-x86_64
Darwin-arm64
FreeBSD-i386
FreeBSD-amd64
HPUX-parisc
HPUX-ia64
This topic has gotten fun.
RPM has an advantage over some installer methods that it includes the
architecture (e.g., "x86_64" or "s390x").
Sadly, it does *not* include the operating system (e.g., "Linux" or
"OS/390").
But, yeah, effective and widely used.
Tools like YUM (for RedHat) and
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Subject: RPMs for installs and Maint: [WAS SMP/E needed for installs?]
With Linux distros there are a few maint systems. The one I am
most familiar with is RPM.
To me YAST (the Linux equivalent of SMP/E) handles upgrades and
user changes (if you know how to do them, I
With Linux distros there are a few maint systems. The one I am
most familiar with is RPM.
To me YAST (the Linux equivalent of SMP/E) handles upgrades and
user changes (if you know how to do them, I don't because I'm a
SU in Linux -- Stupid User).
Each product/component has its own main
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