Could someone/IBM provide a Wiki so that people can update messages and so
we build up a profile of common messages, problems, and solutions.
If you find the documentation is insufficient then you create an entry and
expand any response. If it fixes your problem then +1 the relevant topic.
For
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Subject: Re: Error messages (a rant and an idea)
Isn’t that pretty much what BPXMTEXT does? Is it VM/CMS that allows you to
enter a “command” of just a question mark “?” after an error condition to get a
more complete explanation of an error? Could the shell p
On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 16:05:18 -0400, Phil Smith III wrote:
>
>I've decided this is supporting my thesis-can't quite tell? Or are you saying
>this is one of those cases where breaking it out into several messages would
>have made sense?
>
One of my pet peeves is disjunctive explanations:
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Mon, Sep 18, 2023 at 3:19 PM, Phil Smith III < wrote:
> While I
Steve Beaver wrote:
>I can remember when IDC3009I was just maybe half a page max.
>Now you look at IDC3009I and it pages upon pages of diagnostic codes
>and what they mean
I've decided this is supporting my thesis-can't quite tell? Or are you saying
this is one of those cases where breaking it
s and
what they mean
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While I agree that it wou
While I agree that it would be nice if the messages were complete, I'm not sure
I can see a business case for IBM to implement that. It would cost a lot,
consume the last two or three remaining docs folks well past their retirement
age, and.for what? Will it increase z/OS uptake? I doubt it.
is what
> you
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On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 17:18:23 +, Farley, Peter wrote:
>Isn’t that pretty much what BPXMTEXT does? Is it VM/CMS that allows you to
>enter a “command” of just a question mark “?” after an error condition to get
>a more complete explanation of an error? Could the shell program support such
: Error messages (a rant and an idea)
On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 09:51:36 -0400, Rick Troth wrote:
>A confluence of several things.
>First, z/VM has a facility (been there for decades) that facilitates
>(sorta) what you're talking about.
>MVS people, please don't shrink back. We can
DSN=hlq.MESSAGE.Epfxlng. (message prefix, language code).
IDCAMS Repro
On Mon, Sep 18, 2023 at 10:32 AM Paul Gilmartin
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> On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 10:47:54 -0400, Bob Bridges wrote:
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> >Seems like I'm going against the current, here, but if
On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 10:47:54 -0400, Bob Bridges wrote:
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>Seems like I'm going against the current, here, but if they tried to add all
>the text of every message manual to every app ... nah, I can't see it.
>
Don't keep the texts in the apps themselves. Keep them in a KSDS.
Could even be
of
Lionel B. Dyck
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2023 10:57 AM
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Subject: Re: Error messages (a rant and an idea)
I'm not suggesting they would/should do it for z/OS messages but at least
for all the shell commands since those using the shell commands come from an
environment
on merely what others think you are. - - - John Wooden
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Bob Bridges
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Subject: Re: Error messages (a rant and an idea)
Sorry, I can't agree.
: Monday, September 18, 2023 10:47 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Error messages (a rant and an idea)
Sorry, I can't agree. Manuals are the lifeblood of any competent z/OS
worker, no? And since they're available on-line, all I have to do is get a
decent collection of them. Message
think you are.” - - - John Wooden
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Binyamin Dissen
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Subject: Re: Error messages (a rant and an idea)
Do you want to put QuickRef out of business?
On Mon, 18 Sep 2023
Sorry, I can't agree. Manuals are the lifeblood of any competent z/OS
worker, no? And since they're available on-line, all I have to do is get a
decent collection of them. Message manuals are among my first choice,
always.
Seems like I'm going against the current, here, but if they tried to
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Subject: Re: Error messages (a rant and an idea)
Do you want to put QuickRef out of business?
On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 07:06:48 -0500 "Lionel B. Dyck"
wrote:
:>I submitted this IBM Idea and would appreciate your support if youre able
:>to vote:
:>
:>https
Do you want to put QuickRef out of business?
On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 07:06:48 -0500 "Lionel B. Dyck" wrote:
:>I submitted this IBM Idea and would appreciate your support if youre able
:>to vote:
:>
:>https://ibm-z-hardware-and-operating-systems.ideas.ibm.com/ideas/ZOS-I-3827
:>
:>The text is:
:>
On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 09:51:36 -0400, Rick Troth wrote:
>A confluence of several things.
>First, z/VM has a facility (been there for decades) that facilitates
>(sorta) what you're talking about.
>MVS people, please don't shrink back. We can easily have the same
>service on z/OS.
>
See:
And keep that URL valid for the life of the message. Good luck with that.
On 9/18/2023 6:33 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 12:35:57 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:
And include a URL for users of terminals that support links.
A confluence of several things.
First, z/VM has a facility (been there for decades) that facilitates
(sorta) what you're talking about.
MVS people, please don't shrink back. We can easily have the same
service on z/OS.
When I was in a previous gig, someone had used the VM message handler to
On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 12:35:57 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>
>There's a tradeoff between providing enough detail and cluttering the output.
>What I'd suggest asking for is message that tell the user all relevant
>variable, have an understandable summary and show the command to use for more
"Be careful what you ask for - you might get it."
There's a tradeoff between providing enough detail and cluttering the output.
What I'd suggest asking for is message that tell the user all relevant
variable, have an understandable summary and show the command to use for more
details, e.g.,
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