On Fri, 31 May 2013 20:09:33 -0500, Mike Schwab wrote:
We don't have enough DASD at the hot site for that.
You don't have enough DASD at your hot site to run the business?
Then what is it good for?
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Tom Marchant
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 7:44 PM, Jeffery Swagger wrote:
Yes, this!
Prereq:
It is enough to get Tier 0, 1, and some 2 going. Then wait for more
dasd to be installed and raise the CPU limits when we need it.
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Tom Marchant m42tom-ibmm...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Fri, 31 May 2013 20:09:33 -0500, Mike Schwab wrote:
We don't have enough DASD at
Walt Farrell wrote:
Or human disasters, Tom. Someone deletes a data set, and because the DASD is
mirrored everywhere, all your online copies are gone instantly. Oh, and if you
didn't have any real backup copies of the DASD, then all copies of that data
set are gone.
The same goes for peer to
On Thu, 30 May 2013 19:09:57 -0500, Walt Farrell walt.farr...@gmail.com wrote:
That's one reason that IBM recommends using RACF's duplexing of it's database,
rather than depending on hardware mirror copies, and also recommend taking
nightly backups of the database. When an administrator makes a
W dniu 2013-05-30 20:44, Lizette Koehler pisze:
I am looking to see how other shops are currently doing Backups for DR and
OR. I think this will be valuable for the archives.
Currently I have the following processes in Place. Any suggestions or
guidelines for this analysis will be
Agreed!
snip
Yes, this!
Prereq: The company must have a DR manager of which one of his responsibilities
is to ensure the families of those who leave are taken care of. Here I'm
thinking of natural disasters like hurricanes.
Second: A real DR test would include actually running the business
Staller, Allan wrote:
Second: A real DR test would include actually running the business from the DR
site for at least a week and then *bringing it back home*. How many
institutions have actually tried that?
Zero! [1] You're dreaming, but do this 'change /week/weekend/' and ask again
for
Makes for a more realistic test.
Charles
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In a company I worked for they would have shot the people, Crazy company
Makes for a more realistic test.
An interesting business model, with certain historical precedents.
“Depend upon it, sir, when a man knows he is to be hanged in a fortnight, it
concentrates his mind wonderfully.”
W dniu 2013-05-31 14:57, Elardus Engelbrecht pisze:
Staller, Allan wrote:
Second: A real DR test would include actually running the business from the DR
site for at least a week and then *bringing it back home*. How many
institutions have actually tried that?
Zero! [1] You're dreaming, but
In 3d746.4478793e.3ed90...@aol.com, on 05/30/2013
at 03:25 PM, Ed Finnell efinnel...@aol.com said:
Wish we had a Cloud!
Be careful what you wish for; you might get it. I suggest that you
consult your legal staff about the ownership of your data before
putting the family jewels in someone
In f66e9ee737492b448738e797fdb828ed1d225...@kbmexmbxpr02.kbm1.loc,
on 05/30/2013
at 07:09 PM, Staller, Allan allan.stal...@kbmg.com said:
Although very few shops actually do this, IMO the procedure should
be:
Management walks in the room and says You, you, and you are dead as
of time/date.
These have been great points.
So to summarize.
For Mainframe
1) Plan for both OR/BC and DR conditions.
This includes testing as often as the company allows. Paper tests only
satisfy a minimal requirement but does not show the plan will actually work or
how long the plan will take to get
SHARE is a valuable resource of 'what I missed'. My fave was the Fat boys
tried to plug a three phase printer into a 43xx. Blew the T05 cans out of
the socket boards!
In a message dated 5/31/2013 9:43:19 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
stars...@mindspring.com writes:
vendors, they start to
Any presentations on the Hurricane Katrina scenarios?
One company shut down their Miami data center and transferred
operations to New Orleans. 3 days later Miami was still without power
and New Orleans shut down.
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Ed Finnell efinnel...@aol.com wrote:
There were
We don't have enough DASD at the hot site for that.
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 7:44 PM, Jeffery Swagger jeff...@comcast.net wrote:
Yes, this!
Prereq: The company must have a DR manager of which one of his
responsibilities is to ensure the families of those who leave are taken care
of. Here I'm
There was a big lesson, probably already told here.
A bank had a back-up site in Denver.
Everything moved smoothly, except one overlooked detail.
The people involved in the DR, had cell phones with New Orleans area codes.
The C/O was under 30-50 feet of water.
No calls in or out.
It was written up
Although very few shops actually do this, IMO the procedure should be:
Management walks in the room and says You, you, and you are dead as of
time/date. The rest of you go recover as of that time/date.
The dead people cannot be consulted with during the DR exercise. You, you,
and you should be
Yeah after losing a data center and DR to Semtek it changes your
perspective.
Wish we had a Cloud! Well the tertiary cold site kicked in and they were
back on the air in about a week. YMMV...
In a message dated 5/30/2013 2:09:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
allan.stal...@kbmg.com writes:
You are dead right of course.
Disasters don't come on schedule, neatly tied up in a bow.
A good thing might be a brainstorming session on what are our implicit
disaster-related assumptions? and then questioning those assumptions.
Charles
Composed on a mobile: please excuse my brevity
Back before I got into the Software industry, I worked for a public utility
in Chicago. My first foray into DR was pushing for data-comm fallbacks at
our remote sites. At first we got questioned, but finally we got them
approved. Then I brought up the dead pool test idea, and was laughed at.
There were several Chicago stories at SHARE and others. Still remember the
Ryder presentation after Hurricane Andrew. They even had 'Helper' teams for
families that had damage or were displaced.
In a message dated 5/30/2013 2:52:55 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
wdri...@us.ibm.com writes:
On Thu, 30 May 2013 11:44:32 -0700, Lizette Koehler wrote:
So do I have overkill? .
Software disasters can be the hardest ones to plan for. What do
you do if one of your critical applications has a program change that
causes it to start corrupting data? How long will it take before it is
On Thu, 30 May 2013 16:15:42 -0500, Tom Marchant m42tom-ibmm...@yahoo.com
wrote:
On Thu, 30 May 2013 11:44:32 -0700, Lizette Koehler wrote:
So do I have overkill? .
Software disasters can be the hardest ones to plan for. What do
you do if one of your critical applications has a program
Yes, this!
Prereq: The company must have a DR manager of which one of his
responsibilities is to ensure the families of those who leave are taken
care of. Here I'm thinking of natural disasters like hurricanes.
Second: A real DR test would include actually running the business from
the DR
Alan,
In a company I worked for they would have shot the people, Crazy
company.
Ed
On May 30, 2013, at 2:09 PM, Staller, Allan wrote:
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