Re: Releasing Orphan Storage without IPL

2015-11-04 Thread Dave Barry
Subject: Re: Releasing Orphan Storage without IPL One the best sysprogs I know attempted to free some storage SQA / CSA due to a creeping storage condition. There was a shory pause followed by some expletives and an immediate IPL of the system. I wouldn't attempt it on any system I cared

Re: Releasing Orphan Storage without IPL

2015-11-04 Thread Shane Ginnane
On Wed, 4 Nov 2015 21:16:42 -0800, Steve Beaver wrote: >... the system will survive without your intervention, s/will/may/ Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to

Re: Releasing Orphan Storage without IPL

2015-11-04 Thread Steve Beaver
and it will be very painful -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Dave Barry Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2015 4:03 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Releasing Orphan Storage without IPL It happens that certain CSA

Re: Releasing Orphan Storage without IPL

2015-11-04 Thread Rob Schramm
ibm.com> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Date: 31/10/2015 13:56 > Subject:Re: Releasing Orphan Storage without IPL > Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> > > > > >Remember that CSA and ECSA can overflow to SQA and

Re: Releasing Orphan Storage without IPL

2015-11-04 Thread Roberto Halais
Blog: > > https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/blogs/MartinPacker > > > > > > > > From: Peter Relson <rel...@us.ibm.com> > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Date: 31/10/2015 13:56 > > Subject:Re: Releasing Orphan

Re: Releasing Orphan Storage without IPL

2015-10-31 Thread Peter Relson
>Remember that CSA and ECSA can overflow to SQA and ESQA, so you have >more air in you (E)CSA than the 2% and 3% and this might help you >survive until the next scheduled IPL. Actually, it's the other way around, as I think of it. CSA can be converted into SQA. If a request to obtain storage

Re: Releasing Orphan Storage without IPL

2015-10-31 Thread Martin Packer
.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/blogs/MartinPacker From: Peter Relson <rel...@us.ibm.com> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 31/10/2015 13:56 Subject: Re: Releasing Orphan Storage without IPL Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> &g

Re: Releasing Orphan Storage without IPL

2015-10-30 Thread Vernooij, CP (ITOPT1) - KLM
. Kees. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Jake Anderson Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 9:18 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Releasing Orphan Storage without IPL Hello, One of our Test LPAR was victim of S878

Releasing Orphan Storage without IPL

2015-10-30 Thread Jake Anderson
Hello, One of our Test LPAR was victim of S878 abends caused by a DB2 system. Now the DB2 system is down but still the ECSA and CSA are at 97% and 98%. Is it possible to release the Unused Storage without IPLing ? Regards, Jake

Re: Releasing Orphan Storage without IPL

2015-10-30 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Jake Anderson wrote: >One of our Test LPAR was victim of S878 abends caused by a DB2 system. You need to investigate the reasons/cause of those abends. Are the abends inside DB2 itself or in a job using DB2? > Now the DB2 system is down but still the ECSA and CSA are at 97% and 98%. How big

Re: Releasing Orphan Storage without IPL

2015-10-30 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Shane Ginnane wrote: >Junior sysprog was using a well-known monitor that showed a bunch of "unused" >shared storage. He decided we could use it, so decided to free it. ... >... Still scratching our heads when afore-mentioned junior returned and wanted >to know what all the kerfuffle was

Re: Releasing Orphan Storage without IPL

2015-10-30 Thread Bonno, Tuco
: Friday, 30 October, 2015 06:29 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Releasing Orphan Storage without IPL -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Elardus Engelbrecht Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 11:25 AM To: IBM-MAIN

Re: Releasing Orphan Storage without IPL

2015-10-30 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Mainframe Discussion List Subject: Re: Releasing Orphan Storage without IPL It is very difficult and tricky to determine which orphaned storage is left orphaned unintentionally and can be releases. Remember that CSA and ECSA can overflow to SQA and ESQA, so you have more air in you (E)CSA than

Re: Releasing Orphan Storage without IPL

2015-10-30 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Vernooij, CP wrote: >>Did you 'freed' that junior to the pavement and reclaimed his office table? >Of course not, how did you learn? We have a saying: by falling and getting up >again, you learn. You are right, anyways Shane said it was a development system. As I have said in March 2013 -

Re: Releasing Orphan Storage without IPL

2015-10-30 Thread John McKown
On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 5:25 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht < elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za> wrote: > Shane Ginnane wrote: > > >Junior sysprog was using a well-known monitor that showed a bunch of > "unused" shared storage. He decided we could use it, so decided to free it. > ... > > >... Still

Re: Releasing Orphan Storage without IPL

2015-10-30 Thread Shane Ginnane
On Fri, 30 Oct 2015 13:48:08 +0530, Jake Anderson wrote: >Is it possible to release the Unused Storage without IPLing ? Of course. But you'd better be right. Junior sysprog was using a well-known monitor that showed a bunch of "unused" shared storage. He decided we could use it, so decided to

Re: Releasing Orphan Storage without IPL

2015-10-30 Thread Vernooij, CP (ITOPT1) - KLM
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Elardus Engelbrecht Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 11:25 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Releasing Orphan Storage without IPL Shane Ginnane wrote: >Junior sysp

Re: Releasing Orphan Storage without IPL

2015-10-30 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 12:28 -0400 on 10/30/2015, Tony Harminc wrote about Re: Releasing Orphan Storage without IPL: On 30 October 2015 at 07:02, Elardus Engelbrecht <elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za> wrote: As I have said in March 2013 - "We have a trophy just for such disasters. The new owner kee

Re: Releasing Orphan Storage without IPL

2015-10-30 Thread Thomas Conley
On 10/30/2015 4:18 AM, Jake Anderson wrote: Hello, One of our Test LPAR was victim of S878 abends caused by a DB2 system. Now the DB2 system is down but still the ECSA and CSA are at 97% and 98%. Is it possible to release the Unused Storage without IPLing ? Regards, Jake

Re: Releasing Orphan Storage without IPL

2015-10-30 Thread Vernooij, CP (ITOPT1) - KLM
Conley Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 1:38 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Releasing Orphan Storage without IPL On 10/30/2015 4:18 AM, Jake Anderson wrote: > Hello, > > One of our Test LPAR was victim of S878 abends caused by a DB2 system. Now > the DB2 system is down but st

Re: Releasing Orphan Storage without IPL

2015-10-30 Thread Gross, Randall [PRI-1PP]
sion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of John McKown Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 7:57 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Releasing Orphan Storage without IPL On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 5:25 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht < elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za> wrote: > Shane

Re: Releasing Orphan Storage without IPL

2015-10-30 Thread R.S.
A little bit out of topic: What do you prefer: an IPL or system crash? It's serious question. It depends on business approach and of course whether you have sysplex or no. For me, it is usually better to schedule "sudden" IPL than have a crash. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- Treść

Re: Releasing Orphan Storage without IPL

2015-10-30 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
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Re: Releasing Orphan Storage without IPL

2015-10-30 Thread Tony Harminc
On 30 October 2015 at 07:02, Elardus Engelbrecht wrote: > As I have said in March 2013 - "We have a trophy just for such disasters. The > new owner keeps it until another > person makes an error..." Well it seems to be war-story Friday. When I started as a junior

Re: Releasing Orphan Storage without IPL

2015-10-30 Thread Richard Pinion
Anyone ever make GRS swappable using one of those third party system monitors? I did! Had to IPL too. --- tuco.bo...@admin.sc.gov wrote: From: "Bonno, Tuco" <tuco.bo...@admin.sc.gov> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Releasing Orphan Storage