Re: IPCS Magicians (was: Smaller Private Area in DR)

On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 09:41:13 +, Cannaerts, Jan wrote: >If someone showed interest in becoming such a fabled magician, what direction >would you point said someone to? This Redbook has a nice starter set on IPCS:

Re: IPCS Magicians (was: Smaller Private Area in DR)

In , on 09/07/2015 at 12:34 PM, David Griffiths1 said: >I know, but how do you go back to where you were? Use the stack. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position;

Re: IPCS Magicians (was: Smaller Private Area in DR)

> I know, but how do you go back to where you were? Say you're following a > chain of linked addresses and you want to go back. Typing in stuff to > remember the addresses would be a pain. Web browsers give you all that for > free. As far as I am concerned, one works differently in the z/OS

Re: IPCS Magicians (was: Smaller Private Area in DR)

IBM Mainframe Discussion List wrote on 06/09/2015 07:26:21: > From: "nitz-...@gmx.net" > > Plus when you're displaying register contents or stack traces, the > > addresses are displayed as links. > IPCS has been doing that since I started working

Re: IPCS Magicians (was: Smaller Private Area in DR)

In <2083847024438815.wa.m42tomibmmainyahoo@listserv.ua.edu>, on 09/04/2015 at 10:31 AM, Tom Marchant <000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> said: >Shmuel, >How would you do that? IPCS has a documented interface for cripts in CLIST and REXX. I'd use REXX unles performance was an

Re: IPCS Magicians (was: Smaller Private Area in DR)

> Plus when you're displaying register contents or stack traces, the > addresses are displayed as links. IPCS has been doing that since I started working with it. Use %, ? and (forgot the 64bit-address character) when displaying active storage. Equate some address with a symbol, and you can

Re: IPCS Magicians (was: Smaller Private Area in DR)

In , on 09/04/2015 at 03:10 PM, David Griffiths1 said: >Which is why you have a need for IPCS Magicians! Much more intuitive >to just click a link in a web browser, Worked real well for, e.g.,

Re: IPCS Magicians (was: Smaller Private Area in DR)

On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 9:10 AM, David Griffiths1 < david_griffit...@uk.ibm.com> wrote: > Which is why you have a need for IPCS Magicians! Much more intuitive to > just click a link in a web browser, use the forward and backward buttons, > open in a new tab, save a bookmark, share the URL with a

Re: IPCS Magicians (was: Smaller Private Area in DR)

, SO21 2JN, UK Tel: +44 1962 816478 Mobile: 07590 195531 dgr...@uk.ibm.com From: "Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)" <shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 03/09/2015 23:10 Subject:Re: IPCS Magicians (was: Smaller Private Area in DR) Sent by:

Re: IPCS Magicians (was: Smaller Private Area in DR)

On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 15:10:09 +0100, David Griffiths1 wrote: > >But I can't talk really - I'm practically the only person left here who >still edits using vi :) > Vim, however, has a lot of nice features. Imagine using ISPF to edit a file such as this containing Roman, Español, français, Ελληνική,

Re: IPCS Magicians (was: Smaller Private Area in DR)

In <2335242147549170.wa.ibmmaintpg.com...@listserv.ua.edu>, on 09/03/2015 at 06:37 PM, Shane Ginnane said: >Jerry Ng If he's still giving Systems Diagnostic Approach, it's a must session. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see

Re: IPCS Magicians (was: Smaller Private Area in DR)

On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 16:13:24 -0400, Shmuel Metz wrote: >In >, >on 09/03/2015 > at 01:36 PM, David Griffiths1 said: > >>where you could >>just click on an address and it would take you there. >

Re: IPCS Magicians (was: Smaller Private Area in DR)

IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> wrote on 04/09/2015 15:50:48: > From: John McKown <john.archie.mck...@gmail.com> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Date: 04/09/2015 15:50 > Subject: Re: IPCS Magicians (was: Smaller Private Area in DR) > Sent b

Re: Smaller Private Area in DR

@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of nitz-...@gmx.net Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 2:27 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Smaller Private Area in DR > I wonder how many other people routinely ensure they have a usable dump > available back at the office after any test day. > Barb

Re: IPCS Magicians (was: Smaller Private Area in DR)

On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 13:36:59 +0100, David Griffiths1 wrote: >There's loads of potential for modern IPCS alternatives, just needs time >and access to all that secret knowledge :) Yes, there are, but all of them are (IMO) inadequate in some situations. Sometimes the only tool to find what you need

Re: IPCS Magicians (was: Smaller Private Area in DR)

Amen. XDC is great if one can figure out how to recreate. I find forced ABENDS and SYSMDUMP w/ IPCS is better than TSO TEST when you don't have XDC. But, I tend to do things where Test/test auth do not work (e.g. Multi-task). Sent from iPhone - small keyboard fat fingers - expect spellinf

Re: IPCS Magicians (was: Smaller Private Area in DR)

jo.skip.robin...@sce.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Cannaerts, Jan Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 2:41 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: IPCS Magicians (was: Smaller Private Area in DR) >I believe using I

Re: IPCS Magicians (was: Smaller Private Area in DR)

Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of J O Skip Robinson Sent: donderdag 3 september 2015 5:47 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IPCS Magicians (was: Smaller Private Area in DR) SHARE typically schedules sessions on debugging with IPCS

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On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 00:27:17 -0400, Jim Mulder wrote: > The first thing I would do, using a dump of PROD and a dump of DR, >is for each dump, under IPCS, do > >IOSCHECK ALLUCBS >FIND 'UCB AT 00' ALL > > This will count the number of UCBs in SQA below 16MB. I wonder how many other people

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> I wonder how many other people routinely ensure they have a usable dump > available back at the office after any test day. > Barbara maybe ... ;-) It was usually a fight to get a dump saved, in some cases to get the dump taken in the first place, especially when I am the only one in the

IPCS Magicians (was: Smaller Private Area in DR)

>I believe using IPCS and reading dumps is a dying art practised only by a few >magicians these days. A shame, really. If someone showed interest in becoming such a fabled magician, what direction would you point said someone to? _Jan

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Barbara Nitz wrote: >... because he *knew* I would find something to get us closer to a solution. This is a good compliment. Not everyone have these nice bosses. > ... getting the operators to find the docs and act upon it took at least > twice as long as the actual sadump did. They could

Re: IPCS Magicians (was: Smaller Private Area in DR)

On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 09:41:13 + "Cannaerts, Jan" wrote: :>>I believe using IPCS and reading dumps is a dying art practised only by a few magicians these days. A shame, really. :> :>If someone showed interest in becoming such a fabled magician, what direction would

Re: IPCS Magicians (was: Smaller Private Area in DR)

In , on 09/03/2015 at 01:36 PM, David Griffiths1 said: >where you could >just click on an address and it would take you there. You don't need an RYO for that; IPCS has had it for lo these many

Re: IPCS Magicians (was: Smaller Private Area in DR)

On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 15:58:16 +, Cannaerts, Jan wrote: >In my preliminary research that I started just now some of the SHARE >presentations have been valuable. >I'd love to make it out to a SHARE event one (or more?) time(s), but as a >European working for a small

Re: IPCS Magicians (was: Smaller Private Area in DR)

In <20150903144400.9de3def35316d03c362b3...@gmx.net>, on 09/03/2015 at 02:44 PM, "nitz-...@gmx.net" said: >Unfortunately I am not aware of any classes where you can learn IPCS. >I learned on-the-job, watching an old-timer using IPCS in command >mode Ouch. Point and click

Re: IPCS Magicians (was: Smaller Private Area in DR)

816478 Mobile: 07590 195531 dgr...@uk.ibm.com From: "Cannaerts, Jan" <jan.cannae...@socmut.be> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 03/09/2015 10:41 Subject:IPCS Magicians (was: Smaller Private Area in DR) Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LIS

Re: IPCS Magicians (was: Smaller Private Area in DR)

> :>If someone showed interest in becoming such a fabled magician, what > direction would you point said someone to? > > Start with simple SYSMDUMPs and work your way up. > > Learn the trace table. Very good advise. The system trace table can be more interesting than any thriller you could

Re: Smaller Private Area in DR

> I have been reviewing the data for private and am puzzled with what I see. > The data from PROD taken with SYSVIEW is as follows; > > RegionStart > EndLength Bytes Used > RONUC _00FE3000 _00FF _0001D000

Re: Smaller Private Area in DR

323-715-0595 Mobile > jo.skip.robin...@sce.com > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Peter Relson > Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2015 6:55 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Smaller Priv

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] On Behalf Of Peter Relson Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2015 6:55 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Smaller Private Area in DR The real question is when the COMMON/PRIVATE boundary gets set. IODF must be read and digested very early in IPL, certainly before SYS1.PARMLIB is opened

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snip The real question is when the COMMON/PRIVATE boundary gets set. IODF must be read and digested very early in IPL, certainly before SYS1.PARMLIB is opened. By the time IEASYSxx is processed, do below-the-line UCBs figure into the boundary calculation? end-snip It works something like

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It of course might turn out that nothing changed wasn't correct. But I/O configuration is a possibility. However, I think that would affect SQA not CSA. The size of SQA, I believe, is the sum of the customer specification for SQA and the early-IPL needs. SQA in turn would affect where LPA

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rel...@us.ibm.com (Peter Relson) wrote: snip A pair of dumps (one on each system) seems like the right way to diagnose this (rather than making intelligent guesses), in order to be able to view things like the boundaries and sizes of CSA, LPA, SQA, and the nucleus (most of the data is either in

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Thanks Peter and John. I am looking into whether SMF data from DR is available. Will post on the list of I find anything new. On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 9:56 AM, John Eells ee...@us.ibm.com wrote: rel...@us.ibm.com (Peter Relson) wrote: snip A pair of dumps (one on each system) seems like the

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-302-7535 Office 323-715-0595 Mobile jo.skip.robin...@sce.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Peter Relson Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 5:48 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Smaller Private Area in DR

Re: Smaller Private Area in DR

Might be related to the number of devices defined to the environment. Are you talking about above or below private? Mark Jacobs Phil mailto:philyo...@gmail.com August 27, 2015 at 2:32 PM Hello All, What could cause private area to shrink 1M when the system is IPL'd on a different machine as

Re: Smaller Private Area in DR

: Thursday, August 27, 2015 1:32 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Smaller Private Area in DR Hello All, What could cause private area to shrink 1M when the system is IPL'd on a different machine as in, in DR? Assume that the image being IPL'd is identical to production. I'm told

Re: Smaller Private Area in DR

IIRC RMFPP has one but don't think it identifies who the owners are? In a message dated 8/27/2015 3:00:13 P.M. Central Daylight Time, stars...@mindspring.com writes: I was looking for a graphic that displays this better than I can write it.

Re: Smaller Private Area in DR

Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 12:43 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Smaller Private Area in DR Thanks all for the responses. I'm referring to private below the line. Unfortunately, there's no dump or map of storage to do any meaningful debugging. The obvious reason

Smaller Private Area in DR

Hello All, What could cause private area to shrink 1M when the system is IPL'd on a different machine as in, in DR? Assume that the image being IPL'd is identical to production. I'm told that there were no changes to parmlib, LPA, nucleus etc. Thanks.

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Have to examine all the parts. CSA, ECSA, etc that take away from private. Something like Mark's IPLINFO is a starter or the PRIVAT mapper in IVP lib is another choice. In a message dated 8/27/2015 1:47:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time, mark.jac...@custserv.com writes: Might be related to

Re: Smaller Private Area in DR

Thanks all for the responses. I'm referring to private below the line. Unfortunately, there's no dump or map of storage to do any meaningful debugging. The obvious reason is that something was added somewhere for private to drop 1M. I'm aware it changes in 1M chunks. However, 'nothing changed' is

Re: Smaller Private Area in DR

: Smaller Private Area in DR Thanks all for the responses. I'm referring to private below the line. Unfortunately, there's no dump or map of storage to do any meaningful debugging. The obvious reason is that something was added somewhere for private to drop 1M. I'm aware it changes in 1M chunks

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stars...@mindspring.com (Lizette Koehler) wrote: So private area below the line is what is left over after the system carves out everything else. So CSA, HSA (I think - Hardware area), etc I was looking for a graphic that displays this better than I can write it. snip A reasonable

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A pocket protector's worth of Display Commands. http://idcp.marist.edu/pdfs/ztidbitz/MVS%20CONSOLE%20COMMANDS.pdf In a message dated 8/27/2015 3:55:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, ee...@us.ibm.com writes: Of course, you want to recheck the end of the specification and the next 1M

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If the IODF has more LOCANY=NO devices, you can lose virtual storage below the line to UCBs. Bob On 8/27/2015 3:42 PM, phil yogendran wrote: Thanks all for the responses. I'm referring to private below the line. Unfortunately, there's no dump or map of storage to do any meaningful debugging.

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-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Ed Finnell Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 2:09 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Smaller Private Area in DR A pocket protector's worth of Display Commands. http://idcp.marist.edu/pdfs/ztidbitz/MVS%20CONSOLE%20COMMANDS.pdf In a message dated 8

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Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Ed Finnell Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 2:09 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Smaller Private Area in DR A pocket protector's worth of Display Commands. http://idcp.marist.edu/pdfs/ztidbitz/MVS%20CONSOLE