On Mon, 13 Apr 2015 10:22:40 -0700, Sam Siegel wrote:
Agreed. There are good and bad on both sides of that line.
This reminded me of something that Phil Payne wrote several years ago.
Hope you find it amusing.
Tom Marchant
Subject: Re: (OTR) Fixing the user
From: Phil Payne
It's like one of the hardware networking guys telling me that the router
tables can't be corrupted. This happened right after they applied a router
firmware/software fix, my reply 'say what'
On Monday, April 13, 2015, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net wrote:
In
In
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on 04/13/2015
at 09:21 AM, Farley, Peter x23353 peter.far...@broadridge.com
said:
Please get off that ridiculously high systems programmer horse of
yours and join us here in the 21st century.
You almost had me their,
In 552bc59e.1010...@vse2pdf.com, on 04/13/2015
at 09:33 AM, Tony Thigpen t...@vse2pdf.com said:
Ed must work for the government, or a union shop. No place I ever
worked would have allowed such programmers to continue to be
employed.
I've seen them in commercial, educational and government
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Subject: Re: Standard IBM Enterprise COBOL Service to convert ASCII to EBCDIC
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On Apr 13, 2015, at 4:16 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:
In 552bc59e.1010...@vse2pdf.com, on 04/13/2015
at 09:33 AM, Tony Thigpen t...@vse2pdf.com said:
Ed must work for the government, or a union shop. No place I ever
worked would have allowed such programmers to continue to be
On Apr 13, 2015, at 6:01 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 wrote:
I may not have stated that as I meant it - I did try to indicate my
meaning by using that . . . horse *of yours* . . ., intending to
mean just him and not all. Not well written, mea culpa, but it was
a rant.
I have encountered
Enterprise COBOL Service to convert ASCII to
EBCDIC
Ze'ev:
Because in most cases programmers are less than lets say bright. If
you bring up ASCII you will only confuse them. I suspect they will
try and use it in some sort of horrendous fashion, like convert to
ASCII and then back. To give you
Somehow strange discussion, IMHO. I´'m sure that there are
many bright people in the COBOL community.
But: COBOL could well be some sort of biotope for not so well
teached programmers. And: most significant software packages
on the mainframe that do complicated algorithms and computations
(math,
On Sun, Apr 12, 2015 at 10:46 PM, Ed Gould edgould1...@comcast.net wrote:
Ze'ev:
Because in most cases programmers are less than lets say bright. If you
bring up ASCII you will only confuse them. I suspect they will try and use
it in some sort of horrendous fashion, like convert to ASCII and
Ze'ev Atlas wrote:
Why is getting an ASCII piece of information so scary? And why would handling
it using proper programming, any scary?
Simply, if you receive data, say x'0A0B0CF1F2F3', then how would you see,
programmatically, it is ASCII or EBCDIC?
With TRT or friends? I had to avoid a
In
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on 04/13/2015
at 04:41 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za
said:
Simply, if you receive data, say x'0A0B0CF1F2F3', then how would
you see, programmatically, it is ASCII or EBCDIC?
That isn't an ASCII
of yours and
join us here in the 21st century.
Peter
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Subject: Re: Standard IBM Enterprise COBOL Service
: Standard IBM Enterprise COBOL Service to convert ASCII to EBCDIC
Ze'ev:
Because in most cases programmers are less than lets say bright. If
you bring up ASCII you will only confuse them. I suspect they will
try and use it in some sort of horrendous fashion, like convert to
ASCII and then back
[mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf
Of Ed Gould
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2015 11:46 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Standard IBM Enterprise COBOL Service to convert ASCII to EBCDIC
Ze'ev:
Because in most cases programmers are less than lets say bright. If
you bring up ASCII you
On Apr 13, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Tony Thigpen wrote:
amen, Peter.
Ed must work for the government, or a union shop. No place I ever
worked would have allowed such programmers to continue to be employed.
Of course, on second thought, I have seen some really, really bad
stuff coming out of the
Ze'ev:
Because in most cases programmers are less than lets say bright. If
you bring up ASCII you will only confuse them. I suspect they will
try and use it in some sort of horrendous fashion, like convert to
ASCII and then back. To give you an idea how stupid programmers can
be a S0C7
Because in most cases programmers are less than lets say bright.
Oh, I see...
I guess that this is why my rate when I program in lowly Access VBA is higher
then anything COBOL programmers could get. I am not even trying to compare
that to my rate when I write Perl, T-SQL, PL/SQL, etc. They
to summarize the conversation:
I don't know what is scarer letting ASCII loose in the environment or
letting programmers know about it.
Not to alarm you further, but I believe it's already endemic.
Not in any company I have ever worked.
Why is getting an ASCII piece of information so scary?
Thank you all to those who've pointed me to NATIONAL-OF and DISPLAY-OF
intrinsic functions. For some reason I missed them when looking at the list of
intrinsic functions.
While calling the C runtime library is an interesting exercise, using native
COBOL functionality when in COBOL is superior.
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