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ome amount of overlap between SPRING and JAVA old email http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010.html#email960203 and this past post has part of the description of SPRING's "client-side interpreter" http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001j.html#32 past posts in this thread: http://w

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l...@garlic.com (Anne & Lynn Wheeler) writes: > ... which saw little uptake until sysplex ... except for IMS > hot-standby. The lack of uptake contributed to her not staying long ... > however also there were the re-occuring battles with the communication > group trying to force her into using SNA

Re: Teletypewriter Model 33

In <08df7293-a3ba-47ce-80a6-25eb8a987...@aim.com>, on 09/12/2013 at 08:14 AM, Paul Gilmartin said: >That meets my understanding of "suggest". The problem is that I suggested something totally unrelated to what you attributed to me. I suggest that you try EDIT in order to see how TSO handles m

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Robert Wessel writes: > The managed to reintroduce type-ahead on 3174s with the "Entry > Assists" feature. A major change in the 3174s was a much faster CPU > than in the 3274s, and a vast increase in memory, so there was room to > add those features. The terminal itself, nor the protocol on the

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On 2013-09-12, at 05:03, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: > > at 11:00 AM, Paul Gilmartin said: > >> Sometimes it appears that you deliberately over-prune quoted material >> so you can refute something the previous poster never said. > ... > A program that is not written to do standard term

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In <0711121653687111.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu>, on 09/11/2013 at 11:00 AM, Paul Gilmartin said: >Sometimes it appears that you deliberately over-prune quoted material >so you can refute something the previous poster never said. I have no doubt that it appears so to people who d

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On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 09:03:18 -0400, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: > on 09/09/2013 at 09:32 PM, Paul Gilmartin said: > >> Why does DSN(*) exist at all? > >To accomodate batch applications under TSO. > >>What you suggest is more like batch than interactive. > >EDIT is like batch? In what way? >

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l...@garlic.com (Anne & Lynn Wheeler) writes: > How ASCII Came About > http://www.bobbemer.com/ASCII.HTM > HOW ASCII GOT ITS BACKSLASH > http://www.bobbemer.com/BACSLASH.HTM re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#33 Teletypewriter Model 33 for other drift Bob'

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In , on 09/10/2013 at 02:29 AM, efinnell15 said: >There was a 'Universal Train'. I don't remember the number. Probably UN on the 1403 and U11 on the 3211. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2 We don't care. We don't have to care

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In <029201ceae5d$2b0a7420$811f5c60$@mxg.com>, on 09/10/2013 at 02:37 PM, Barry Merrill said: >I vaguely recall benchmarking the print time of several Print Trains >in the early 70s, and my memory of specifics was weak, but I know I >identified three or four specific IDs that were 2 to 3 times

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In <6865411767021646.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu>, on 09/10/2013 at 01:00 AM, Paul Gilmartin said: >But how much IBM software in 1978 actually exploited it? Batch or interactive? IBM interactive software exploited lower case long before the date you asked about. >TTY 33 ASR Did

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In <1628372020520296.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu>, on 09/09/2013 at 09:32 PM, Paul Gilmartin said: > Why does DSN(*) exist at all? To accomodate batch applications under TSO. >What you suggest is more like batch than interactive. EDIT is like batch? In what way? >It was a progr

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re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#20 Teletypewriter Model 33 http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#21 Teletypewriter Model 33 http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#22 Teletypewriter Model 33 http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#23 Teletypewriter Model 33 http://www.garlic.com/~lynn

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I think the 1403 will be best remembered for it's musical capabilities. http://mail.computerhistory.org/pipermail/1401_software/2009-February/000289.html Ian On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:45 PM, Scott Ford wrote: > Gerhard, > We used to print bills on a 1403 with a special OCR print train and hig

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Gerhard, We used to print bills on a 1403 with a special OCR print train and high intensity black ribbon. So they would scan correctly then we collated them and microfilmed them...omg ...I used to have to be to work at 3am for that job... Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite

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Gerhard, Shmuel and everyone else on the group, Thank you for the wonderful insight, you folks provided. It was quite interesting to read this whole e-mail chain. I shall keep this handy in my back-pocket. I never heard of the word "print trains" before, so I'll try looking up some more informatio

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On 9/10/2013 3:37 PM, Barry Merrill wrote: I vaguely recall benchmarking the print time of several Print Trains in the early 70s, and my memory of specifics was weak, but I know I identified three or four specific IDs that were 2 to 3 times longer and I'm pretty sure they all had mixed case, or s

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13 12:39 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Teletypewriter Model 33 I was just a flunky work study student back then, U11 sounds familiar but it may not have had all the diacriticals. Somebody complained the print on the four part wasn't sharp enough so weekend took a typewriter

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I was just a flunky work study student back then, U11 sounds familiar but it may not have had all the diacriticals. Somebody complained the print on the four part wasn't sharp enough so weekend took a typewriter brush and toluene solvent to make it shiny bright. After about 20 seconds, seized up

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On 9/10/2013 3:29 AM, efinnell15 wrote: There was a 'Universal Train'. I don't remember the number. It only had two of most one of some and was pretty slow. One Dept. used it for Don Quixote concordance trying to prove or disprove Cervantes was author. Don't know what outcome was. They ran that

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On 9/10/2013 11:16 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: Ironically, the FOLD subparameter is not supported for SYSOUT data sets!? Folding is a property of the printer/control unit, and has nothing to do with JES. The installation defines UCS members to suit, with or without the fold option. You select w

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On 9/10/2013 2:00 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: As I say, it was an epiphany; I realized that TOPS-10 was trying to use literate English conventions all along; it was just the TTY that was folding to monocase. Later, using CDC Kronos, and then IBM MVS, I wondered, why couldn't they do likewise: let

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On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 10:52:03 -0400, Gerhard Postpischil wrote: > >I understand your point, but the ASR 33 always was a mono-case device. > IIRC, it simply ignored the bit that selected upper/lower case. Folding was automatic. >1403 printers had a FOLD option bit, honored by the hardware. Normally

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There was a 'Universal Train'. I don't remember the number. It only had two of most one of some and was pretty slow. One Dept. used it for Don Quixote concordance trying to prove or disprove Cervantes was author. Don't know what outcome was. They ran that darn thing most weekends just for spite

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On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 00:41:56 -0400, Gerhard Postpischil wrote: >On 9/9/2013 10:32 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: >> Merely that it was the first time I saw a computer (it was a PDP-10) >> writing messages and column headings in mixed case. "Thermal" >> is irrelevant; merely an exclamation of recogniti

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On 9/9/2013 10:32 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: Merely that it was the first time I saw a computer (it was a PDP-10) writing messages and column headings in mixed case. "Thermal" is irrelevant; merely an exclamation of recognition of the device. That may have been your first exposure to mixed case

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2013 9:33 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Teletypewriter Model 33 On Mon, 9 Sep 2013 21:03:03 -0400, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: > on 09/09/2013 at 11:14 AM, Paul Gilmartin said: > >>Then what went wrong? > >You used the wrong tool. > >>Try "ALLOCA

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On Mon, 9 Sep 2013 21:03:03 -0400, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: > on 09/09/2013 at 11:14 AM, Paul Gilmartin said: > >>Then what went wrong? > >You used the wrong tool. > >>Try "ALLOCATE DD(SYSIN) DSN(*) > >Why would I do that for an interactive command? Try EDIT foo.text. > Why does DSN(*) exi

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In <522e15d6.2000...@valley.net>, on 09/09/2013 at 02:39 PM, Gerhard Postpischil said: >IBM introduced the 1050 (similar to the 1052 operators console) The 1050 was a family of terminals attached through a 1051; the low end S/360 console was the 1052-7, which did not require a 1051. >Startin

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In <6316392288346624.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu>, on 09/09/2013 at 11:14 AM, Paul Gilmartin said: >Then what went wrong? You used the wrong tool. >Try "ALLOCATE DD(SYSIN) DSN(*) Why would I do that for an interactive command? Try EDIT foo.text. And what does that have to do wi

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nd 3279); I used that > for a "real" cent sign and not sign in ASCII mode. A few companies > provided ASCII terminals with color support, but as far as I know, > these never caught on (except for games). These days we take color for > granted. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/20

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re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#20 Teletypewriter Model 33 http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#21 Teletypewriter Model 33 http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#22 Teletypewriter Model 33 http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#23 Teletypewriter Model 33 the cp67 changes i did at the

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In <5834228785212676.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu>, on 09/09/2013 at 09:50 AM, Paul Gilmartin said: >Ah! Thermal paper? But that provided me the epiphany that computers >could deal with mixed-case text. IBM supported mixed-case text well before the TI noisy 700. -- Shmuel

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9, 2013 8:57 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Teletypewriter Model 33 > > I used keypunches in college. I then graduated to a hardcopy terminal, but > not a KSR-33 or ASR-33. The school had some really nice DECWriters for the > non-IBM DEC System 20. And 2741s for the

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On 9/9/2013 12:59 AM, Quasar Chunawala wrote: Today, the mainframe staff in any enterprise work on PC running special software(the terminal emulator) to connect to the *mainframe server* over the company intranet. But, back in the 1960's, when mainframes were young, what were some of input device

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- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Anne & Lynn Wheeler Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 10:14 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Teletypewriter Model 33 ba...@mxg.com (Barry Merrill) writes: > You have not lived until you have

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In , on 09/09/2013 at 10:29 AM, Quasar Chunawala said: >Today, the mainframe staff in any enterprise work on PC running >special software(the terminal emulator) to connect to the *mainframe >server* over the company intranet. But, back in the 1960's, when >mainframes were young, what were some

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($13000) > with a Barr Systems SDLC card to talk SNA. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#20 Teletypewriter Model 33 http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#21 Teletypewriter Model 33 http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#22 Teletypewriter Model 33 I was corporate tieline ... so ther

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On Mon, 9 Sep 2013 10:38:27 -0500, Barry Merrill wrote: >Did you have the same fun and games I had with Southwestern Bell, during the >70s-80, as each time I got a faster modem, I was the first customer with that >speed, and their engineers had to come out and measure which of my 6 lines was >s

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y One. > > How about that for some worthless trivia? re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#20 Teletypewriter Model 33 http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#21 Teletypewriter Model 33 even more trivia there has some recent discussion about ntp ... person responsible for ntp ... earl

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When I was studying computer science at Stuttgart university from 1977 on, there were several ways to work with the Telefunken TR 440 mainframe: - closed shop by IBM 029 keypunch; you gave the cards to the operators (that is, batch runs); you had to wait one hour to get your listings back. Most

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MTS/370 and APL/360 have been ressurected to run on Hercules. On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Tom Marchant wrote: > On Mon, 9 Sep 2013 11:13:35 -0400, Anne & Lynn Wheeler wrote: > >>i got online 2741 at home > > And in another post he mentioned MTS (Michigan Terminal System), written to > run o

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john.archie.mck...@gmail.com (John McKown) writes: > I used keypunches in college. I then graduated to a hardcopy terminal, but > not a KSR-33 or ASR-33. The school had some really nice DECWriters for the > non-IBM DEC System 20. And 2741s for the IBM. I adored the 2741s, which > were basically an

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On Mon, 9 Sep 2013 11:13:35 -0400, Anne & Lynn Wheeler wrote: >i got online 2741 at home And in another post he mentioned MTS (Michigan Terminal System), written to run on the System/360 model 67. In MTS the terminal driver was called TSFO. I've been told that its name was an acronym for Twen

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On Mon, 9 Sep 2013 09:39:37 -0500, Barry Merrill wrote: >You have not lived until you have used a Texas Instruments Silent 700 at 300 >baud to watch a > Ah! Thermal paper? But that provided me the epiphany that computers could deal with mixed-case text. I have not turned back. But I've used a

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t was my TSO access from home in 1976. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#20 Teletypewriter Model 33 other trivia about clone controller ... int early tests data transferred to 360 memory was all garbage ... turned out we overlooked that ibm controller line-scanner convention was leading bit w

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- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of John McKown Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 8:57 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Teletypewriter Model 33 I used keypunches in college. I then graduated to a hardcopy terminal, but not a KSR-33

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I used keypunches in college. I then graduated to a hardcopy terminal, but not a KSR-33 or ASR-33. The school had some really nice DECWriters for the non-IBM DEC System 20. And 2741s for the IBM. I adored the 2741s, which were basically an IBM Selectric typewriter with a serial interface. In colleg

Teletypewriter Model 33

Hi everyone, Today, the mainframe staff in any enterprise work on PC running special software(the terminal emulator) to connect to the *mainframe server* over the company intranet. But, back in the 1960's, when mainframes were young, what were some of input devices? Has anyone typed TSO or compile