Re: Is True Skip-Sequential Processing Possible with RECFM=FB,DSORG=PS?

2023-11-11 Thread Seymour J Metz
ObTRUNCEvery time someone says "I don't believe in theories", another theory dies. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Joel C. Ewing Sent: Saturday,

Re: Kinda fun

2023-11-11 Thread g...@gabegold.com
I'm pretty sure this happened with VM, though might have been with OS/360 and HASP. User brought odd printout (1403 or 3211) to system programming, asked what happened. It showed two output streams overprinted -- like a double exposed photo. Clearly impossible, but there it was. Research

Re: Is True Skip-Sequential Processing Possible with RECFM=FB,DSORG=PS?

2023-11-11 Thread Joel C. Ewing
On 11/11/23 21:03, Ed Jaffe wrote: On 11/11/2023 6:40 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Sun, 12 Nov 2023 02:16:07 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: Solves what problem? Unix doesn't have records, so you have to impose your own record structure and tell seek the byte offset. He said FB.  That makes

UNIX "BLKSIZE"?

2023-11-11 Thread Paul Gilmartin
Suppose I am writing with QSAM/BSAM to a UNIX file allocated RECFM=FB,LRECL=80,FILEDATA=BINARY,PATH=... Should I specify: o BLKSIZE=80 for minimum latency for other jobs doing "tail -f"? o BLKSIZE=32720 for fewest costly access method calls? o BLKSIZE=0 and trust SDB (which will probably use 1/2

Re: Is True Skip-Sequential Processing Possible with RECFM=FB,DSORG=PS?

2023-11-11 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sat, 11 Nov 2023 19:03:01 -0800, Ed Jaffe wrote: >On 11/11/2023 6:40 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: >> On Sun, 12 Nov 2023 02:16:07 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >> >>> Solves what problem? Unix doesn't have records, so you have to impose your >>> own record structure and tell seek the byte offset.

Re: Is True Skip-Sequential Processing Possible with RECFM=FB,DSORG=PS?

2023-11-11 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 11/11/2023 6:40 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Sun, 12 Nov 2023 02:16:07 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: Solves what problem? Unix doesn't have records, so you have to impose your own record structure and tell seek the byte offset. He said FB. That makes the calc simple. FB allows short

Re: IBM APAR Names

2023-11-11 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 11/7/2023 3:52 AM, Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: W dniu 06.11.2023 o 16:20, Ed Jaffe pisze: On 11/5/2023 4:03 PM, Shaffer, Terri wrote: So I am trying to apply maintenance and want to know the actual APAR to look up to see if its open closed, or what? Slide 72 in SHARE New Orleans Bit Bucket

Re: Is True Skip-Sequential Processing Possible with RECFM=FB,DSORG=PS?

2023-11-11 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sun, 12 Nov 2023 02:16:07 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >Solves what problem? Unix doesn't have records, so you have to impose your own >record structure and tell seek the byte offset. > He said FB. That makes the calc simple. >On 11/11/23 06:59:07, David S. wrote: >> To help resolve a

unable to access IPCS 64 bit storage using Storage map service

2023-11-11 Thread Joseph Reichman
A while I posted about accessing ipcs storage above the bar 64 bit as with storage access I could only get 31 bit I got a number of responses but I decided to use the post By Adam Johanson using storage map services below is my code I get a rc zero in r15 however storage area address XMSPBUFF

Re: Is True Skip-Sequential Processing Possible with RECFM=FB,DSORG=PS?

2023-11-11 Thread Seymour J Metz
Solves what problem? Unix doesn't have records, so you have to impose your own record structure and tell seek the byte offset. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf

Re: Is True Skip-Sequential Processing Possible with RECFM=FB,DSORG=PS?

2023-11-11 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sat, 11 Nov 2023 18:43:18 -0600, Michael Oujesky wrote: >Does seek() actually do a direct access? Or read, but skip the >records from the start of the file? > It doesn't say it reads. IBM's

Re: PC Interference from shredder Was: Kinda fun

2023-11-11 Thread Mike Schwab
Maybe if they covered the walls too? https://www.amazon.com/Reducing-Wallpaper-Faraday-Copper-Radiation-Shielding/dp/B09BW3CYQB On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 7:51 PM Steve Thompson wrote: > Many years ago at Hagerstown MD, they had a computer (I think it > was an NCR3 or 3000, it's just been too long

Re: PC Interference from shredder Was: Kinda fun

2023-11-11 Thread Steve Thompson
Many years ago at Hagerstown MD, they had a computer (I think it was an NCR3 or 3000, it's just been too long ago) that at odd points would just fail. My father was an RF tech working on radios, and had a contract for the Police Department... so I will make this short. It turns out that a few

Re: Is True Skip-Sequential Processing Possible with RECFM=FB,DSORG=PS?

2023-11-11 Thread Michael Oujesky
Does seek() actually do a direct access? Or read, but skip the records from the start of the file? Michael At 04:21 PM 11/11/2023, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On 11/11/23 06:59:07, David S. wrote: UNIX readily solves the problem with seek() and DSFS is supposed to mimic a UNIX file with the

Re: Is True Skip-Sequential Processing Possible with RECFM=FB,DSORG=PS?

2023-11-11 Thread Michael Oujesky
I forgt to ask what the BLKSIZE is and why yhe need to skip reading just the first 99 records? Michaet At 09:34 AM 11/11/2023, Michael Oujesky wrote: Just a thought as I have not done it, but use BDAM to access the file? Michael At 07:59 AM 11/11/2023, David S. wrote: To help resolve a

Re: Is True Skip-Sequential Processing Possible with RECFM=FB,DSORG=PS?

2023-11-11 Thread Mike Schwab
You can add KEYLEN with the length of the key (default 0) https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos/2.1.0?topic=kp-syntax-4 and KEYOFF with the offset of the Key (default 0). Copies the high key value from the block into the key field of CKD then you can add skip sequential processing to Cobol, PL/I, ASM,

Re: Is True Skip-Sequential Processing Possible with RECFM=FB,DSORG=PS?

2023-11-11 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On 11/11/23 06:59:07, David S. wrote: > To help resolve a question posted to a LinkedIn group I manage: > www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:groupPost:910927-7128598004344786944 > ... I'd like to find out if there's any way to achieve *true* > Skip-Sequential processing with a Fixed Block

Re: PC Interference from shredder Was: Kinda fun

2023-11-11 Thread Tom Brennan
Just before I worked with mainframes I drew maps on a computer that had a big display, a small drawing pad and pen, and a large light table with a "puck" for tracing existing maps into the computer. Both the puck and pen worked by receiving a magnetic signal from the pad or table in order to

Re: PC Interference from shredder Was: Kinda fun

2023-11-11 Thread Mike Schwab
Microwaves can do that https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/may/05/microwave-oven-caused-mystery-signal-plaguing-radio-telescope-for-17-years On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 2:55 PM Wayne Bickerdike wrote: > On the subject of RF interference. Years ago we came back from living in > California to

Re: PC Interference from shredder Was: Kinda fun

2023-11-11 Thread Wayne Bickerdike
On the subject of RF interference. Years ago we came back from living in California to Australia. We had a 110V coffee espresso machine. It worked well and we ran it from a voltage changer plugged into the socket. Early rise time, my wife would go into the kitchen and make a coffee. I'm in the

Re: Well, I guess RESMGR is documented as only supporting 24/31 bit

2023-11-11 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sat, 11 Nov 2023 22:14:07 +0200, Binyamin Dissen wrote: >It does not check SYSSTATE AMODE64. > Don't be impatient. They're probably working on it. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions,

Well, I guess RESMGR is documented as only supporting 24/31 bit

2023-11-11 Thread Binyamin Dissen
It does not check SYSSTATE AMODE64. But even so, as it ends up issuing a PC there is no real reason not to support 64 bit. Using LLGT to get the CVT address is common in other macros. Document that parameters need to be below the bar. In other cases I have used OPSYN to examine instructions and

Re: CEE3512S / CSV034I

2023-11-11 Thread Henri Kuiper
Yes! seen the other reply too (thanks again Denis!) I'll verify and get in touch with the 'documentation peeps' fo-sho :) fingeres crossed this will workwith the larger REGION though :) On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 2:40 PM Peter Relson wrote: > As Denis G suggested, you do not have sufficient

Re: CEE3512S / CSV034I

2023-11-11 Thread Henri Kuiper
Nice! thanks... I will give that a try. Met vriendelijke groeten, *Henri Kuiper* *zdevops* On Fri, Nov 10, 2023 at 7:39 AM Denis < 01664d8ede6c-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > Hi Henri, > if you google the reason code you find other entries that point to not > enough

Re: Is True Skip-Sequential Processing Possible with RECFM=FB,DSORG=PS?

2023-11-11 Thread Michael Stein
On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 08:59:07AM -0500, David S. wrote: > ... I'd like to find out if there's any way to achieve *true* > Skip-Sequential processing with a Fixed Block Sequential File with a fairly > short record length (i.e. DCB=(DSORG=PS,RECFM=FB,LRECL=80)? > question is a DSORG=PS

Re: PC Interference from shredder Was: Kinda fun

2023-11-11 Thread Joel C. Ewing
I think shielding of the PC itself is unlikely the problem, unless the case is not properly closed.  All PCs I have ever seen have metal cases, which if properly seated and grounded act as a RF shield, inbound and outbound. Any electric motor could be producing power transients at power

Re: Is True Skip-Sequential Processing Possible with RECFM=FB,DSORG=PS?

2023-11-11 Thread Joel C. Ewing
If the question is whether there is direct z/OS support for this for FB PS datasets, the answer is probably no, although if you get down to assembler coding, there are ways to get close. It looks like you could potentially design and implement an I/O interface routine (in assembler) using

Re: Is True Skip-Sequential Processing Possible with RECFM=FB,DSORG=PS?

2023-11-11 Thread Walt Farrell
On Sat, 11 Nov 2023 08:59:07 -0500, David S. wrote: >To help resolve a question posted to a LinkedIn group I manage: >www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:groupPost:910927-7128598004344786944 >... I'd like to find out if there's any way to achieve *true* >Skip-Sequential processing with a Fixed

Re: Is True Skip-Sequential Processing Possible with RECFM=FB,DSORG=PS?

2023-11-11 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sat, 11 Nov 2023 08:59:07 -0500, David S. wrote: >... . Sequential processing >*must* begin at specified starting point and there can be *no* reading of >any records prior to that point. > That sounds absurd. So if a block contains 10 records, you want to be able to read the last 5 with

Re: Is True Skip-Sequential Processing Possible with RECFM=FB,DSORG=PS?

2023-11-11 Thread Michael Oujesky
Just a thought as I have not done it, but use BDAM to access the file? Michael At 07:59 AM 11/11/2023, David S. wrote: To help resolve a question posted to a LinkedIn group I manage: www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:groupPost:910927-7128598004344786944 ... I'd like to find out if there's

Is True Skip-Sequential Processing Possible with RECFM=FB,DSORG=PS?

2023-11-11 Thread David S.
To help resolve a question posted to a LinkedIn group I manage: www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:groupPost:910927-7128598004344786944 ... I'd like to find out if there's any way to achieve *true* Skip-Sequential processing with a Fixed Block Sequential File with a fairly short record length

Re: CEE3512S / CSV034I

2023-11-11 Thread Peter Relson
As Denis G suggested, you do not have sufficient storage for the system to acquire for holding the module you have asked to load. At a minimum you need a larger region size. If you have an aberrant program (such as one that does a getmain for the entire available region prior to loading this

Re: Kinda fun

2023-11-11 Thread Bob Bridges
Hah! A few years ago I had my hardware-geek son build my latest tower PC. It's pretty good - not water-cooled like the one he made for himself, but a nice big monitor and I finally gave him permission to load me up on RAM. But ... Do normal commercial PCs have Faraday cage around them, or