I'm pleased it tickled you! I give you +1 for perfectly picking the
bidialectal twist ;-) .
On 10/10/2013 2:59 AM, John Gilmore wrote:
My word you really do spit the dummy old chap has made my day.
It is a delightful example of a perhaps not quite current Australian
idiom---'spit the dummy'
In 120ff13c56e7db4cbb4b89959eb492d826bff...@apswp0475.ms.ds.uhc.com,
on 10/11/2013
at 06:00 PM, Bass, Walter W bill_b...@uhc.com said:
Sure you can. Dataset not found produces a runtime JCL error quite
frequently.
OPEN failures are not JCL errors.
--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz,
In 1601686609289112.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on
10/11/2013
at 06:18 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said:
Hmmm ... In the Bad Old Days, I used to make insertions in
punched cards: DUP up to the point of insertion; press hard with
my thumb on the card in the read
In
of1100e1e5.79eaedfb-on85257c01.004f4cae-85257c01.004f9...@us.ibm.com,
on 10/11/2013
at 10:28 AM, Peter Relson rel...@us.ibm.com said:
Why? Where?
SA22-7607-15, 54.0 LOAD -- Bring a Load Module into Virtual Storage
54.1.8 Parameters
DE=list entry addr
Specifies the entry name,
In 7239823581387858.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on
10/11/2013
at 09:59 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said:
Isn't symbol substitution performed by the
reader/converter/interpreter (whatever), but well before execution
tme?
While the Converter does substitution in the
In
cae1xxdg+wpq27ohberb7yrwtkp4ehr3tsxkjrwifkgmqn6y...@mail.gmail.com,
on 10/12/2013
at 08:42 AM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com said:
A load-module image is not simply relocated in memory with ADCONs
appropriately incremented. Very complex processing of a mixture
of text and control
I don't know about OGET or OPUT, but cp and mv will invoke the binder
'under the covers' to move a program object in a Unix File System to a
PDSE.
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2013 14:26:19 -0400
From: John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: PDS/E, Shared Dasd, and COBOL V5 I omitted in my last
In 52596efe.2070...@bremultibank.com.pl, on 10/12/2013
at 05:47 PM, R.S. r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl said:
What I'm sure is other operating systems use neither PDSE nor PDS and
are quite happy.
Those other systems use equivalents of Unix file systems, not record
oriented file systems, to
In 52594dde.3030...@phoenixsoftware.com, on 10/12/2013
at 06:25 AM, Ed Jaffe edja...@phoenixsoftware.com said:
This is one of the big benefits of COBOL V5's use of program
objects and PDSE. A COBOL V5 program's debugging information is
packaged with the program object member alongside its
In
545411607-1381595947-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1481781966-@b4.c1.bise6.blackberry,
on 10/12/2013
at 04:39 PM, Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca said:
PDSE is over 20 years old!
What makes it 'special' after all this time?
What makes it a sports car? Who called it special?
The
In 013801cec761$5e79f890$1b6de9b0$@mcn.org, on 10/12/2013
at 08:40 AM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org said:
Is there any reason that a PDS, RECFM=U or Vxx with half-track or
4K or whatever records or blocks, could not store *exactly* the
same stream of bytes as a UNIX file, and with no
In
of27c80737.323a1c49-on85257c03.00049f62-85257c03.00063...@us.ibm.com,
on 10/12/2013
at 09:07 PM, Peter Relson rel...@us.ibm.com said:
Actually, I have no clue what the last sentence really means.
I believe that the author was trying to say something like Therefore,
do not issue an ATTACH
In 4155755931776698.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on
10/12/2013
at 11:43 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said:
Shmuel may distrust IEBGENER to that extent;
Or he may not. Is there anything in any message that I have ever
posted to suggest that I don't trust IEBGENER to make
On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 22:32:37 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:
In 120ff13c56e7db4cbb4b89959eb492d826bff...@apswp0475.ms.ds.uhc.com,
on 10/11/2013
at 06:00 PM, Bass, Walter W said:
Sure you can. Dataset not found produces a runtime JCL error quite
frequently.
OPEN failures are not JCL
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 11:59:41 -0400, John Gilmore wrote:
Tom Russell is of course right about this. The work that cp and mv
and OGET and OPUT too appear to be doing is all done under the covers
by the Binder.
(Add IEBCOPY and/or whatever ISPF uses) I wonder, though, do these
explictly ATTACH
Wow! Thank John (and Peter) for the mentions!
[:-))]
Dave
At 10/10/2013 12:23 PM, John Gilmore wrote:
Peter Farley wrote:
| [Use] z/XDC from Colesoft.
This is the best possible advice. Some of my clients have it, and
they tolerate my using it on site for such tasks even when the
On 10/13/2013 11:44 AM, John Gilmore wrote:
The substance of what he says is a reminder that BSAM and QSAM can
read RECFM=U records. This is certainly true, just as it is true that
the earth is an oblate spheroid. As he often does, he is here
employing an irrelevance to suggest that he has
Gerhard Postpischil wrote
begin exctract
While I haven't kept up with what he's doing lately, I have a
subroutine (cbt file 860, SUBFETCH) that uses BSAM to bring a load
module into storage and execute it. I originally wrote it to test
whether a module in storage was altered by loading a second
I don't even have a wart...
:)
Best Regards
Thomas Berg
___
Thomas Berg Specialist zOS\RQM\IT Delivery SWEDBANK AB (Publ)
-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU]
OK, you got me on this one. What is a Shark Fin? I know what a Shark device
is, but what is a Shark Fin?
Chris Blaicher
Principal Software Engineer, Software Development
Syncsort Incorporated
50 Tice Boulevard, Woodcliff Lake, NJ 07677
P: 201-930-8260 | M: 512-627-3803
E:
Your google broken? It was a plastic prop distributed with the DASD boxes. Like
the
penguins with the ICEbergs. EMC claims a large collection of them after swap
outs for their boxes.
In a message dated 10/13/13 15:15:57 Central Daylight Time,
cblaic...@syncsort.com writes:
What is a Shark
-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
Behalf Of R.S.
Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2013 12:05 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: PDS/E, Shared Dasd, and COBOL V5
W dniu 2013-10-12 18:39, Ted MacNEIL pisze:
PDSE is over
On 10/13/2013 3:37 PM, John Gilmore wrote:
Does BSAM also adjust the zero-origin address offsets in that load
module to reflect its 'load address'? Since BSAM reads one block at a
time, does it also arrange successive blocks, appropriately aligned,
in storage? Und so weiter . . .
Your
'Piriform' means pear shaped, as I suspect you know.
I have clearly made you very angry, so angry that you are incoherent.
No failure to take a conjecture of Henri Poincaré, 1854-1912,
seriously two centuries ago would have been possible without
preternatural prescience of a ,kind neither of us
Bing didn't bring it up in the first couple of pages based on 'shark fin dasd',
so I gave up.
Thanks for the answer.
Chris Blaicher
Principal Software Engineer, Software Development
Syncsort Incorporated
50 Tice Boulevard, Woodcliff Lake, NJ 07677
P: 201-930-8260 | M: 512-627-3803
E:
We got one with our 2105. The 2105's long gone, but the guy who lead the
project to buy it still had the fin. He left the company recently and took the
fin with him. It had been #1 on my list of things to loot, but I guess I won't
get the chance. I've met several folks who have them, and
Think I went the other way with 'IBM shark fin' and got loaded up.
In a message dated 10/13/13 21:22:01 Central Daylight Time,
cblaic...@syncsort.com writes:
Thanks for the answer.
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