Do or Don't: Define generic profiles in RACF class STARTED?

2014-07-31 Thread Peter Hunkeler
First posted on RACF-L under topic How to define STARTED class profiles for 
DFHSM (are generic profiles ok)?, but not much response. Reposting here under 
new topic.




Need to define STARTED clas profiles for DFHSM and its helper STCs. The helper 
STCs have names starting with ARC and DSS, and some numeric part that depends 
on the number of HSMs in the sysplex and the number of parallel task they start.

The easiest way would be to define profiles ARC*.* and DSS*.*, the more 
cumbersome way to define one profile for each possible STC.

Someone here claims that it is an absolute no-go to define generic profiles 
(for the part before the dot) in class STARTED. Especially if the task need to 
run TRUSTED.

I think there is no danger in doing so, because it cannot be misused, *if* the 
PROCLIBs and the MVS START commands are properly protected. Anyone with update 
access to PROCLIBs can misused any of the trusted STCs, can't they?

Any thoughts or recommendations?

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AW: Retireiving DCB information for migrated datasets

2014-07-31 Thread Christian Birr
Thanks Graham, I know. The original OP (Gadi) asked for a simply way to 
retrieve some information, so instead of telling him RTFM I tried to point him 
to some already existing code snippets. I personally use DCOLLECT frequently in 
storage management.
Christian

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Betreff: Re: Retireiving DCB information for migrated datasets

Did you look at DCOLLECT?
That has all the fields you want.
This is a z/OS2.1 link to the fields, but i am sure you have access to your
own appropriate docs.
http://www-01.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.1.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r1.idai200/dgt3i294.htm



On 30 July 2014 16:50, Christian Birr christian.b...@birrconsulting.de
wrote:

 Hi Greg,
 I remembered you piece of code this afternoon, too. Due to some
 'important' meetings I just came to assemble it, put in the TSO command
 table and tried it in one of my sandboxes. It came back with an RC of 4,
 contact your system support, which is mainly me and myself. I haven't the
 time to inspect the code more deeply, but could it be, there's a mismatch
 between you home grown MCD DSECT and the current one? The listing of the
 DESCT is right beside me and I'll look into it tomorrow, or might it be an
 error on my side?
 Greetings from lower Bavaria
 Christian

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 Auftrag von Greg Price
 Gesendet: Mittwoch, 30. Juli 2014 17:27
 An: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
 Betreff: Re: Retireiving DCB information for migrated datasets

 On 30/07/2014 4:56 PM, גדי בן אבי wrote:
  Is it possible to retreive DCB information (LRECL, BLKSIZE, RECFM,
 DSORG) for migrated datasets, without recalling the dataset?

 Check out the $HMLIST command in CBT file 134.
 It reads the MCDS directly.
 Output can go to the terminal or a data set.

 Cheers,
 Greg

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Re: I SMF Processing

2014-07-31 Thread Dno
No problem to correct, just an better understanding of how SMF uses than MANx 
datasets. I missed the page in the manual, that explains it. What I did find 
interesting is that it won't use MAN1 if available with space but not empty and 
will buffer the data not move on to another MANx dataset. 

I appreciate the feedback

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 30, 2014, at 11:20 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht 
 elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za wrote:
 
 Dean Montevago wrote:
 
 We have six MAN datasets spread across three volumes; I notice that the ‘I 
 SMF’ command switches between only the first and second MAN datasets. Is 
 there any doc, explaining how SMF processes the MAN datasets?
 
 Yes. Look in 'MVS System Management Facilities'. 
 
 quote
 When the SMF data set that is currently being recording on becomes full, SMF 
 does the following:
 
 -  Automatically closes the full data set, making it available for dumping.   
  
 -  Locates the new data set to open by starting at the top of the list of 
 data sets specified on the DSNAME
   parameter of the SMFPRMxx member and looking for the first completely empty 
 data set.  
 end quote
 
 On our two production systems a ‘Z EOD’ command is issued when the system 
 comes down for an IPL, when will SMF write to MAN3, 4, etc.?
 
 When the first two datasets are full or you do a 'I SMF' and switch FROM 
 those first two datasets. That happens anytime, not only when 'Z EOD' is 
 issued.
 
 On our systems programming LPAR, where no ‘Z EOD’ is issued, I do see SMF 
 writing to MAN datasets beyond MAN2, when the system is IPL’d.
 
 This is WAD.
 
 What problem are you trying to resolve?
 
 Groete / Greetings
 Elardus Engelbrecht
 
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Re: AW: Retireiving DCB information for migrated datasets

2014-07-31 Thread Greg Price

On 31/07/2014 1:51 AM, Christian Birr wrote:

It came back with an RC of 4, contact your system support,

 which is mainly me and myself. I haven't the time to inspect
 the code more deeply, but could it be, there's a mismatch
 between you home grown MCD DSECT and the current one?
 The listing of the DESCT is right beside me and I'll look
 into it tomorrow, or might it be an error on my side?

Hi Christian,

My guess is that you did not change the hard-coded data set name of 
HSM.MCDS to the name of your MCDS before you assembled it.  Also ensure 
that the dsname length is correct.


If you are interested in reports, you may want to consider the 
wider-report version called $HMLISTW.


Cheers,
Greg

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AW: AW: Retireiving DCB information for migrated datasets

2014-07-31 Thread Christian Birr
Thanks Greg, you where half right, I changed the MCDS name but forgot about the 
length, stupid me
Christian

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Gesendet: Donnerstag, 31. Juli 2014 12:59
An: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Betreff: Re: AW: Retireiving DCB information for migrated datasets

On 31/07/2014 1:51 AM, Christian Birr wrote:
 It came back with an RC of 4, contact your system support,
  which is mainly me and myself. I haven't the time to inspect
  the code more deeply, but could it be, there's a mismatch
  between you home grown MCD DSECT and the current one?
  The listing of the DESCT is right beside me and I'll look
  into it tomorrow, or might it be an error on my side?

Hi Christian,

My guess is that you did not change the hard-coded data set name of 
HSM.MCDS to the name of your MCDS before you assembled it.  Also ensure 
that the dsname length is correct.

If you are interested in reports, you may want to consider the 
wider-report version called $HMLISTW.

Cheers,
Greg

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Re: Beginners question about SHARE

2014-07-31 Thread Charles Mills
zMan is correct about what I am trying to say.

Perhaps I was not clear on my perception of the relationship between the OP's 
problem and company-oriented membership. I think the emphasis on company 
membership makes first time, non-(so far)-member attendance more of a leap. I 
have about zero big company experience, but from what I know of how large 
organizations work, I would darn sure rather try to convince my boss that I 
should go to an educational conference rather than that the corporation should 
join some organization. Yes, I guess there is a non-member attendance option, 
but there is a financial penalty is there not? Not very user-friendly.

I think the attacks are a good illustration of the it's OUR club -- you stay 
out of it attitude.

Charles

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Subject: Re: Beginners question about SHARE

I think Charles' original point was that it SEEMS like there's an old boys' 
network. I doubt anyone thinks the SHARE Board is happy with declining 
attendance--that would be insane. But what we aren't seeing are substantive 
changes that seem like they'll help. Let me be clear: I said aren't seeing. 
That doesn't mean things aren't being considered and even tried, but they 
clearly aren't working (yet) if so.

So Charles' main points (from my perspective--far be it from me to claim to 
speak for him!) were that:
1) the OP's difficulty with the website is Bad and could be fixed relatively 
easily
2) the company-membership thing, whether required or not, *feels* required, and 
might should be reevaluated

Seems difficult (to me) to argue with either of those, yet the reaction has 
been defensiveness and attacks on Charles. Why?

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Re: Beginners question about SHARE

2014-07-31 Thread Steve Conway
Charles Mills said: 
I think the attacks are a good illustration of the it's OUR club -- you 
stay out of it attitude.

Bullshit.

The attacks were a response to inflammatory language. 

You got called on it.  Deal.


Steven F. Conway, CISSP
AO-DTS- CTHO-HSD INFRASTRUCTURE (INFR)
z/OS Systems Support
Phone:  703-295-1926
Mobile: 703-402-2650
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Re: EBCDIC viewer for Windows

2014-07-31 Thread Tony IBM-MAIN

On 22/06/14 08:49, Linda Mooney wrote:

Greetings!

I am looking for an EBCDIC viewer for Windows, to view flat datasets that were 
created on the mainframe. Edit is not necessary for what I need. Can anyone 
recommend one for me? Originally, I was looking for a plugin for Notepad++, but 
didn't find one.

Thanks,

Linda

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I use NoteTab Light to view EBCDIC text on a PC. It has limitations. 
Determining line lengths is difficult as EBCDIC wont necessarily have a 
CR/LF. And it isn't aware of RWD for VB files. But if you just need read 
some text it is good enough.


NoteTab Light is free and far better than the standard Notepad.

Tony.

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Re: Beginners question about SHARE

2014-07-31 Thread J R
The gentleman doth protest too much, methinks.  
===


 
 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 07:54:55 -0400
 From: steve_con...@ao.uscourts.gov
 Subject: Re: Beginners question about SHARE
 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
 
 Charles Mills said: 
 I think the attacks are a good illustration of the it's OUR club -- you 
 stay out of it attitude.
 
 Bullshit.
 
 The attacks were a response to inflammatory language. 
 
 You got called on it.  Deal.
 
 
 Steven F. Conway, CISSP
 AO-DTS- CTHO-HSD INFRASTRUCTURE (INFR)
 z/OS Systems Support
 Phone:  703-295-1926
 Mobile: 703-402-2650
 steve_con...@ao.uscourts.gov
 
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Re: Do or Don't: Define generic profiles in RACF class STARTED?

2014-07-31 Thread Lizette Koehler
Peter,

Sometimes opening cases to IBM is a faster process to get answers.

However

Check out the following manuals


IBM z/OS DFSMShsm Primer
http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redbooks/pdfs/sg245272.pdf

Presentation on Best Practices for DFHSM
http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/ieduasst/stgv1r0/topic/com.ibm.iea.
zos/zos/1.0/DFSMS/BestPractices1.pdf

DFSMShsm Implementation and Customization Guide
http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/epubs/pdf/dgt2i4a0.pdf

For RACF questions the RACF List is the better place to be.  And remember
everyone has real jobs, they respond when they can or when the question is
specific.  

A question that might not get response might be:Anyone know if A
works.
A question that will probably get a responseWhen I did X Y
happened, the following message occurred (always include complete messages).
I looked in the manuals (specify which ones) and it was not clear on what
process should be followed



Lizette


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 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
 Behalf Of Peter Hunkeler
 Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 11:13 PM
 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
 Subject: Do or Don't: Define generic profiles in RACF class STARTED?
 
 First posted on RACF-L under topic How to define STARTED class profiles
for
 DFHSM (are generic profiles ok)?, but not much response. Reposting here
under
 new topic.
 
 
 
 
 Need to define STARTED clas profiles for DFHSM and its helper STCs. The
helper
 STCs have names starting with ARC and DSS, and some numeric part that
 depends on the number of HSMs in the sysplex and the number of parallel
task they
 start.
 
 The easiest way would be to define profiles ARC*.* and DSS*.*, the more
 cumbersome way to define one profile for each possible STC.
 
 Someone here claims that it is an absolute no-go to define generic
profiles (for the
 part before the dot) in class STARTED. Especially if the task need to run
 TRUSTED.
 
 I think there is no danger in doing so, because it cannot be misused, *if*
the
 PROCLIBs and the MVS START commands are properly protected. Anyone with
 update access to PROCLIBs can misused any of the trusted STCs, can't they?
 
 Any thoughts or recommendations?
 
 --
 Peter Hunkeler
 

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Re: I SMF Processing

2014-07-31 Thread Tim Deller
If the I SMF command only switches between the first and second dataset; then 
that is probably all that is defined.
Issue command D SMF to show the defined SMF datasets and their status.
Issue command D SMF,O to show what SMFPRMxx parmlib member is active.
Thanks,
Tim Deller

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Re: EBCDIC viewer for Windows

2014-07-31 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 31 Jul 2014 13:07:25 +0100, Tony IBM-MAIN wrote:

I use NoteTab Light to view EBCDIC text on a PC. It has limitations.
Determining line lengths is difficult as EBCDIC wont necessarily have a
CR/LF. And it isn't aware of RWD for VB files. But if you just need read
some text it is good enough.

NoteTab Light is free and far better than the standard Notepad.
 
I'm curious.  I believe that if you transfer the file from mainframe to PC
as text with either FTP or IND$FILE, EBCDIC will be translated to ASCII
and RDWs converted to CF/LF.  What technique do you use that doesn't
do this for you?

-- gil

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Re: EBCDIC viewer for Windows

2014-07-31 Thread R.S.

W dniu 2014-07-31 15:05, Paul Gilmartin pisze:

On Thu, 31 Jul 2014 13:07:25 +0100, Tony IBM-MAIN wrote:

I use NoteTab Light to view EBCDIC text on a PC. It has limitations.
Determining line lengths is difficult as EBCDIC wont necessarily have a
CR/LF. And it isn't aware of RWD for VB files. But if you just need read
some text it is good enough.

NoteTab Light is free and far better than the standard Notepad.


I'm curious.  I believe that if you transfer the file from mainframe to PC
as text with either FTP or IND$FILE, EBCDIC will be translated to ASCII
and RDWs converted to CF/LF.  What technique do you use that doesn't
do this for you?

Since you can switch the translation off, the question IMHO is why do 
you use such technique?



Personally I use EBCDIC-ASCII translation for text files, and some XMIT 
Explorer for XMITted PDS(E)s, so I don't need to view EBCDIC files in 
text viewer.
However sometimes (RARELY) I get a file from third party in EBCDIC - 
then I use PC conversion/view tools. Example - SCRT tool.


Regards

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AW: Re: Do or Don't: Define generic profiles in RACF class STARTED?

2014-07-31 Thread Peter Hunkeler
 For RACF questions the RACF List is the better place to be.


That's what I initially thought, too, and as mentioned, I posted there first. 
But in fact, it is more of a z/OS integrity or protection question, than a mere 
RACF how to do question. That is part of the decision to re-raise the question 
here.


  And remember everyone has real jobs, they respond when they can or when the 
 question is specific.


I've been an active member on a couple of forums for long enough to know and 
respect that. The intention on my first paragraph was not to blame anybody for 
not answering but to inform people here that this topic was initially placed on 
another forum. I do not like cross poststing; I'd rather discuss on one forum, 
and move the discussion to another one if appropriate later on.

 A question that might not get response might be: ... [snip]



Ok, I guess my question was not coming out clear. I was trying to find out if 
there is a drawback in defining generic (especially TRUSTED) profiles in 
STARTED provided that all PROCLIBS are proberly protected. Shouldn't have 
mentioned HSM at all.


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Re: EBCDIC viewer for Windows

2014-07-31 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On 2014-07-31, at 07:37, R.S. wrote:
 
 I'm curious.  I believe that if you transfer the file from mainframe to PC
 as text with either FTP or IND$FILE, EBCDIC will be translated to ASCII
 and RDWs converted to CF/LF.  What technique do you use that doesn't
 do this for you?
 
 Since you can switch the translation off, the question IMHO is why do you 
 use such technique?
 
 Personally I use EBCDIC-ASCII translation for text files, and some XMIT 
 Explorer for XMITted PDS(E)s, so I don't need to view EBCDIC files in text 
 viewer.
 However sometimes (RARELY) I get a file from third party in EBCDIC - then I 
 use PC conversion/view tools. Example - SCRT tool.
  
If I got such, I'd be tempted to FTP to some convenient
mainframe as BINARY, then FTP back to the desktop in ASCII.
Record boundaries would probably be lost, but they were
probably lost before I got the file from the third party.
(Who's the second party?)

-- gil

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Re: I SMF Processing

2014-07-31 Thread Dno
I have 6 but the first one is always empty 

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 31, 2014, at 8:56 AM, Tim Deller ists...@bonton.com wrote:
 
 If the I SMF command only switches between the first and second dataset; 
 then that is probably all that is defined.
 Issue command D SMF to show the defined SMF datasets and their status.
 Issue command D SMF,O to show what SMFPRMxx parmlib member is active.
 Thanks,
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Re: another question about TSO edit command

2014-07-31 Thread Ed Gould

On Jul 31, 2014, at 3:55 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote:


On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 23:50:12 -0500, Ed Gould wrote:


On Jul 30, 2014, at 6:40 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote:


On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 18:57:04 -0400, Ed Finnell wrote:


Yep, line mode. If you do a find and get no hits you're at the
bottom.

That is one of the dumbest, most hostile behaviors I have ever  
seen in
an editor (but TSO edit isn't unique here).  If I do a find and  
get no

hits (very possibly because I mistyped the search target) a well-
behaved editor should leave the file position unchanged.


I disagree and I did live with it for several years and learned to
like it. When we got FSE it was like heaven.

OK.  Please explain why it's useful, or beneficial.  Does it save  
time,

or keystrokes, or ???.  Would you prefer it if ISPF Edit had that
behavior?

(One thing I like about ISPF Edit (almost unique) it that you must
issue the Repeat Find command twice to wrap the bottom or top
of the file.  I wrote an XEDIT macro to simulate that behavior.)

-- gil

Gil:

AT the time it was the only thing available.
And it was better than panvalet.

Ed

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Re: Beginners question about SHARE

2014-07-31 Thread DASDBILL2
SHARE is all about networking, which is what old boys' clubs do.  I went to my 
first SHARE in 1967 and was welcomed as a newbie.  That was how I became a 
brand new member of the old boys' club.  I don't ever remember any older 
attendees' having an exclusivist attitude towards new attendees.  I have been 
to beaucoup major SHAREs and three mini-SHAREs.  There is great camaraderie in 
SHARE, much to learn, and much to be shared.  Go to your first one and keep on 
going. 

When I am at a SHARE, I always  see other old-timers whom I recognize.  I start 
talking with them.  I don't know how to recognize new attendees easily, but I 
would assume they have a ribbon of a particular color.  If so, I don't know 
what the color is, so I apologize for not initiating conversations with any new 
attendees for my last several SHAREs.  It's normal human behavior to seek out 
people you already know and converse with them rather than start talking with a 
total stranger.  If you are a new attendee and no old boy has initiated a 
conversation with you, find someone in the crowd whose name badge has lots of 
ribbons on it and start talking to him.  And go to the sessions designed 
specifically for new attendees.  Find a group of people standing around talking 
about anything and stand in the group.  Listen for a while.  If you  don't hear 
some familiar buzzwords, go look for another group discussing different 
buzzwords.  Pretty soon you  will be one of the experts giving presentations or 
volunteer workers doing project work.  I started attending regularly in 1981 
and also volunteering to do presentations and being involved in project work, 
and within 5 years discovered that I knew almost everyone of the elected 
officers (even the President), because they had been doing project work in many 
of the same projects I had been involved with. 

Bill Fairchild 

Nolensville, TN 

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Subject: Re: Beginners question about SHARE 

Well, wasn't a first time or a confession but I had a session scheduled in   
the Marquee Marriott(NYC) in the 
'fashion room' with mirrored walls and ceilings. I had a session penciled   
in for the Hilton across the street, 
but it was raining so just parked in the 'fashion room'. The session was   
about Fonts and Font design. Probably one of the most knowledgeable 
presenters  I'd ever heard. Knew optics, physics, biometrics 
just everything that goes into Font presentation. Great graphics and super   
slides everything just flowed 
together. Think I wrote it up as accidental learning. 
  
Probably 'old boys club' is exacerbated by shrinking demographics and   
economic downturn. There's still lots of life left in MVS with new features  in 
hardware and software. SHARE can help you or your company exploit 
these features and integrate them into your enterprise. There's other OS's   
too! Guess what to keep and what to throw away as trends come and go is 
another  important benefit. There was a time when Cross system products was the 
rage.  SHARE reorged and by the next Major it was pretty much dead. Anyway 
life and  times... 
  
  
In a message dated 7/30/2014 7:26:26 A.M. Central Daylight Time,   
robert.richa...@opm.gov writes: 

Confessions of a first-time SHARE  attendee 


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Tape Initialization Issue

2014-07-31 Thread Rajesh Janakiraman
Dear Mates,

While i Initialize a new tape cartridge for monthly backup, it was showing 
in spool that

IEH622I SERVO TRACKS MISSING AND THE DEVICE DOES NOT SUPPORT FORMATTING. 
RETURN CARTRIDGE TO SUPPLIER TO BE REFORMATTED.

IEH607I ALLOCATED DEVICES EXHAUSTED

What does this mean?
This was happening for 3 times and after submitting the job for 4th time 
the tape got initialized normally.

Mates, pls explain if you have any idea why this issue occurred and how it 
got rectified.
Is this was a hardware problem or cartridge issue.

Thanks  Regards,
Rajesh Janakiraman
Mainframe System Analyst

 
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Re: Tape Initialization Issue

2014-07-31 Thread Mike Schwab
What UCBs were used?

On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 11:05 AM, Rajesh Janakiraman
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 Dear Mates,

 While i Initialize a new tape cartridge for monthly backup, it was showing
 in spool that

 IEH622I SERVO TRACKS MISSING AND THE DEVICE DOES NOT SUPPORT FORMATTING.
 RETURN CARTRIDGE TO SUPPLIER TO BE REFORMATTED.

 IEH607I ALLOCATED DEVICES EXHAUSTED

 What does this mean?
 This was happening for 3 times and after submitting the job for 4th time
 the tape got initialized normally.

 Mates, pls explain if you have any idea why this issue occurred and how it
 got rectified.
 Is this was a hardware problem or cartridge issue.

 Thanks  Regards,
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Re: Tape Initialization Issue

2014-07-31 Thread Lizette Koehler
Basic questions
What level of z/OS?
What type of hardware - TS7720, STK, other?

And according to the message manual

IEH622I
SERVO TRACKS MISSING AND THE DEVICE DOES NOT SUPPORT FORMATTING. RETURN
CARTRIDGE TO SUPPLIER TO BE REFORMATTED.
Explanation

IEHINITT cannot label the tape because the tape does not contain servo track
information and the device does not support the rewriting of servo tracks.

System action

None.

Operator response

Return the tape to the supplier so that the servo tracks can be rewritten.

So the question is:

Provide the IEHINIT Jobstream and control cards,
Do a DS (Devser) command against your UCB and make sure it is the one it
should be.

Make sure your hardware for tape is described correctly in the IOGEN.

Lizette


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 Behalf Of Rajesh Janakiraman
 Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 9:05 AM
 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
 Subject: Tape Initialization Issue
 
 Dear Mates,
 
 While i Initialize a new tape cartridge for monthly backup, it was showing
in spool
 that
 
 IEH622I SERVO TRACKS MISSING AND THE DEVICE DOES NOT SUPPORT
 FORMATTING.
 RETURN CARTRIDGE TO SUPPLIER TO BE REFORMATTED.
 
 IEH607I ALLOCATED DEVICES EXHAUSTED
 
 What does this mean?
 This was happening for 3 times and after submitting the job for 4th time
the tape got
 initialized normally.
 
 Mates, pls explain if you have any idea why this issue occurred and how it
got
 rectified.
 Is this was a hardware problem or cartridge issue.
 
 Thanks  Regards,
 Rajesh Janakiraman
 Mainframe System Analyst
 
 
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Re: Tape Initialization Issue

2014-07-31 Thread Lizette Koehler
Did the tape that got this message mount on the same UCB as the others that
successfully got init'd?

Lizette


 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
 Behalf Of Lizette Koehler
 Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 9:22 AM
 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
 Subject: Re: Tape Initialization Issue
 
 Basic questions
 What level of z/OS?
 What type of hardware - TS7720, STK, other?
 
 And according to the message manual
 
 IEH622I
 SERVO TRACKS MISSING AND THE DEVICE DOES NOT SUPPORT
 FORMATTING. RETURN CARTRIDGE TO SUPPLIER TO BE REFORMATTED.
 Explanation
 
 IEHINITT cannot label the tape because the tape does not contain servo
track
 information and the device does not support the rewriting of servo tracks.
 
 System action
 
 None.
 
 Operator response
 
 Return the tape to the supplier so that the servo tracks can be rewritten.
 
 So the question is:
 
 Provide the IEHINIT Jobstream and control cards, Do a DS (Devser) command
 against your UCB and make sure it is the one it should be.
 
 Make sure your hardware for tape is described correctly in the IOGEN.
 
 Lizette
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU]
  On Behalf Of Rajesh Janakiraman
  Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 9:05 AM
  To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
  Subject: Tape Initialization Issue
 
  Dear Mates,
 
  While i Initialize a new tape cartridge for monthly backup, it was
  showing
 in spool
  that
 
  IEH622I SERVO TRACKS MISSING AND THE DEVICE DOES NOT
 SUPPORT
  FORMATTING.
  RETURN CARTRIDGE TO SUPPLIER TO BE REFORMATTED.
 
  IEH607I ALLOCATED DEVICES EXHAUSTED
 
  What does this mean?
  This was happening for 3 times and after submitting the job for 4th
  time
 the tape got
  initialized normally.
 
  Mates, pls explain if you have any idea why this issue occurred and
  how it
 got
  rectified.
  Is this was a hardware problem or cartridge issue.
 
  Thanks  Regards,
  Rajesh Janakiraman
  Mainframe System Analyst
 
 

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Re: another question about TSO edit command

2014-07-31 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 31 Jul 2014 10:11:14 -0500, Ed Gould wrote:

 Yep, line mode. If you do a find and get no hits you're at the
 bottom.

 That is one of the dumbest, most hostile behaviors I have ever seen in
 an editor (but TSO edit isn't unique here).  If I do a find and get no
 hits (very possibly because I mistyped the search target) a well-
 behaved editor should leave the file position unchanged.

 I disagree and I did live with it for several years and learned to
 like it. When we got FSE it was like heaven.

 OK.  Please explain why it's useful, or beneficial.  Does it save time,
 or keystrokes, or ???.  Would you prefer it if ISPF Edit had that
 behavior?

AT the time it was the only thing available.
And it was better than panvalet.
 
But, specifically, why do you like the behavior of moving to the end
of the file on an unsuccessful search?

-- gil

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Re: [Marketing Mail] Re: Tape Initialization Issue

2014-07-31 Thread Rajesh Janakiraman
Hi Lizette,

What level of z/OS?

It is z/OS 01.12.00

What type of hardware 

It is IBM System Storage TS3400 Tape Library


After some try the tape was initialized successfully

And i'm not aware of the below content
Do a DS (Devser) command against your UCB and make sure it is the one it
should be.

Make sure your hardware for tape is described correctly in the IOGEN.
Thanks  Regards,
Rajesh Janakiraman
Mainframe System Analyst



From:   Lizette Koehler stars...@mindspring.com
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU, 
Date:   07/31/2014 09:58 PM
Subject:[Marketing Mail] Re: Tape Initialization Issue
Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU



Did the tape that got this message mount on the same UCB as the others 
that
successfully got init'd?

Lizette


 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
 Behalf Of Lizette Koehler
 Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 9:22 AM
 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
 Subject: Re: Tape Initialization Issue
 
 Basic questions
 What level of z/OS?
 What type of hardware - TS7720, STK, other?
 
 And according to the message manual
 
 IEH622I
 SERVO TRACKS MISSING AND THE DEVICE DOES NOT SUPPORT
 FORMATTING. RETURN CARTRIDGE TO SUPPLIER TO BE REFORMATTED.
 Explanation
 
 IEHINITT cannot label the tape because the tape does not contain servo
track
 information and the device does not support the rewriting of servo 
tracks.
 
 System action
 
 None.
 
 Operator response
 
 Return the tape to the supplier so that the servo tracks can be 
rewritten.
 
 So the question is:
 
 Provide the IEHINIT Jobstream and control cards, Do a DS (Devser) 
command
 against your UCB and make sure it is the one it should be.
 
 Make sure your hardware for tape is described correctly in the IOGEN.
 
 Lizette
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU]
  On Behalf Of Rajesh Janakiraman
  Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 9:05 AM
  To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
  Subject: Tape Initialization Issue
 
  Dear Mates,
 
  While i Initialize a new tape cartridge for monthly backup, it was
  showing
 in spool
  that
 
  IEH622I SERVO TRACKS MISSING AND THE DEVICE DOES NOT
 SUPPORT
  FORMATTING.
  RETURN CARTRIDGE TO SUPPLIER TO BE REFORMATTED.
 
  IEH607I ALLOCATED DEVICES EXHAUSTED
 
  What does this mean?
  This was happening for 3 times and after submitting the job for 4th
  time
 the tape got
  initialized normally.
 
  Mates, pls explain if you have any idea why this issue occurred and
  how it
 got
  rectified.
  Is this was a hardware problem or cartridge issue.
 
  Thanks  Regards,
  Rajesh Janakiraman
  Mainframe System Analyst
 
 

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Re: Beginners question about SHARE

2014-07-31 Thread Tom Marchant
On Thu, 31 Jul 2014 15:56:51 +, DASDBILL2 wrote:

I don't know how to recognize new attendees easily, but I would 
assume they have a ribbon of a particular color.

Last time I went, two years ago, anyone who went to the First Time Attendee 
session received a round green sticker on their badge reading 1st SHARE.

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z/OS HTTP free Web Server

2014-07-31 Thread Dave Day
If there is someone on this list who has experience using this web 
server and who would be willing to spend some of their time discussing 
this with me, please respond with contact info.  I don't think I need a 
whole lot of your time, but would like to get some basic questions out 
of the way.  The questions arise from reading 'HTTP Planning,  
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Re: Beginners question about SHARE

2014-07-31 Thread Ed Jaffe

On 7/31/2014 9:46 AM, Tom Marchant wrote:
Last time I went, two years ago, anyone who went to the First Time 
Attendee session received a round green sticker on their badge reading 
1st SHARE.. 


The percentage varies from conference to conference, but usually 
somewhere between 1/4 and 1/3 of SHARE conference attendees are 
first-timers...


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Re: Z/VM migrate from CKD to FBA

2014-07-31 Thread Alan Altmark
On Tue, 29 Jul 2014 10:30:55 -0500, Mike Schwab mike.a.sch...@gmail.com wrote:

On CKD, z/VM formats it with Fixed length blocks.  Should be able to
ICKDSF the new volume then Backup the old volume and restore to the
new volume, or use a move command.

While that would be nice, if true, it's wrong.   In many cases the z/VM data 
has a different organization when on FBA.  Some of the data must be logically 
copied at a filesystem level (e.g. CMS files), others must be re-created 
(CP-owned volumes).  In fact, z/VM itself has to be reinstalled so that you get 
the FBA minidisk layouts.   The RACF database requires special care, too.

And the non-CMS guests themselves have to copy their data, too.

Converting storage architectures is a non-trivial exercise.  It can be done, 
but not by brute force.  We continue to recommend that z/VM and guest data that 
is classified as slow growth continue to reside on ECKD.  Fast-growth data 
such as databases should be on native SCSI, not FBA simulation on SCSI.  

Alan Altmark
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Re: [Marketing Mail] Re: Tape Initialization Issue

2014-07-31 Thread Thomas Conley

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
Behalf Of Lizette Koehler
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 9:22 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Tape Initialization Issue

Basic questions
What level of z/OS?
What type of hardware - TS7720, STK, other?

And according to the message manual

IEH622I
SERVO TRACKS MISSING AND THE DEVICE DOES NOT SUPPORT
FORMATTING. RETURN CARTRIDGE TO SUPPLIER TO BE REFORMATTED.
Explanation

IEHINITT cannot label the tape because the tape does not contain servo

track

information and the device does not support the rewriting of servo

tracks.


System action

None.

Operator response

Return the tape to the supplier so that the servo tracks can be

rewritten.


So the question is:

Provide the IEHINIT Jobstream and control cards, Do a DS (Devser)

command

against your UCB and make sure it is the one it should be.

Make sure your hardware for tape is described correctly in the IOGEN.

Lizette



-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU]
On Behalf Of Rajesh Janakiraman
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 9:05 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Tape Initialization Issue

Dear Mates,

While i Initialize a new tape cartridge for monthly backup, it was
showing

in spool

that

IEH622I SERVO TRACKS MISSING AND THE DEVICE DOES NOT

SUPPORT

FORMATTING.
RETURN CARTRIDGE TO SUPPLIER TO BE REFORMATTED.

IEH607I ALLOCATED DEVICES EXHAUSTED

What does this mean?
This was happening for 3 times and after submitting the job for 4th
time

the tape got

initialized normally.

Mates, pls explain if you have any idea why this issue occurred and
how it

got

rectified.
Is this was a hardware problem or cartridge issue.

Thanks  Regards,
Rajesh Janakiraman
Mainframe System Analyst




Rajesh,

You either have a bad tape, or a bad tape drive.  I would not use the 
tape to store data until you've verified that the tape drive initing it 
is good.  Then you need to check the other tape drives that couldn't 
find the servo tracks.  I would tend to believe after three attempts 
that the servo tracks are missing or bad.  The fourth attempt could be 
dumb luck or a tape drive that couldn't detect the bad servo tracks. 
Either way, I wouldn't use that tape, and I would have my tape drives 
serviced with diagnostics.


Regards,
Tom Conley

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Re: another question about TSO edit command

2014-07-31 Thread Ed Gould

On Jul 31, 2014, at 11:30 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote:

---SNIP

But, specifically, why do you like the behavior of moving to the end
of the file on an unsuccessful search?


Gil:
Its been thirty years so my memory is iffy here.
I always worked with Verify on.
My iffy memory says if I got the message not found
I would automatically issue a l 0 command (I don't remember TOP as  
existing.)
and reissue the find as I probably mis-keyed it it was automatic not  
so much as I love it more of rats I didn't do something right.


Ed

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Re: Beginners question about SHARE

2014-07-31 Thread Tom Marchant
On Thu, 31 Jul 2014 10:16:22 -0700, Ed Jaffe wrote:

On 7/31/2014 9:46 AM, Tom Marchant wrote:
 Last time I went, two years ago, anyone who went to the First Time
 Attendee session received a round green sticker on their badge reading
 1st SHARE..

The percentage varies from conference to conference, but usually
somewhere between 1/4 and 1/3 of SHARE conference attendees are
first-timers...

When I went to that last SHARE, I decided to go to the First Time Attendee 
session because I had never been to one, even though I had been to about 
a dozen SHAREs. So I has a 1st SHARE sticker and also received a 
Project Officer ribbon. Some people asked about that

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Re: Tape Initialization Issue

2014-07-31 Thread R.S.

W dniu 2014-07-31 18:05, Rajesh Janakiraman pisze:

Dear Mates,

While i Initialize a new tape cartridge for monthly backup, it was showing
in spool that

IEH622I SERVO TRACKS MISSING AND THE DEVICE DOES NOT SUPPORT FORMATTING.
RETURN CARTRIDGE TO SUPPLIER TO BE REFORMATTED.

IEH607I ALLOCATED DEVICES EXHAUSTED

What does this mean?
This was happening for 3 times and after submitting the job for 4th time
the tape got initialized normally.

Mates, pls explain if you have any idea why this issue occurred and how it
got rectified.
Is this was a hardware problem or cartridge issue.




Wild guess: maybe someome degaussed the cartridge ?

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Re: Beginners question about SHARE

2014-07-31 Thread Charles Mills
How many new companies?

Has anyone at SHARE compared our numbers in these regards to IDUG's?

Charles
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Subject: Re: Beginners question about SHARE

On 7/31/2014 9:46 AM, Tom Marchant wrote:
 Last time I went, two years ago, anyone who went to the First Time 
 Attendee session received a round green sticker on their badge reading 
 1st SHARE..

The percentage varies from conference to conference, but usually somewhere 
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Re: Beginners question about SHARE

2014-07-31 Thread Bob Shannon
 Has anyone at SHARE compared our numbers in these regards to IDUG's?

Since you said you serve on the Security Project I suggest you ask this 
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you to address questions to people who can provide answers.

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Re: Tape Initialization Issue

2014-07-31 Thread Russell Witt
 I do not believe the tape was degaussed, since then the cartridge would never 
have been successfully re-initialized. The fact that tape initialization 
finally took place seems to imply that maybe there are different models of the 
TS1120/3592 drives inside the TS3400 library. For example, there is a 
requirement to have micro-code upgrade to a 3592 Model E05 or E06 to support 
media re-use of MEDIA9/MEDIA10 type cartridges. 


So the question is what type of physical media was being re-initialized and do 
you have a mixture of TS1120 models inside your robot. Also, as others have 
asked, which UCB addresses failed and which UCB address was successful? If it 
was the same device all 4 times and 3 out of 4 times it failed; then I would be 
leaning more to a hardware problem with that specific device.


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W dniu 2014-07-31 18:05, Rajesh Janakiraman pisze:
 Dear Mates,

 While i Initialize a new tape cartridge for monthly backup, it was showing
 in spool that

 IEH622I SERVO TRACKS MISSING AND THE DEVICE DOES NOT SUPPORT FORMATTING.
 RETURN CARTRIDGE TO SUPPLIER TO BE REFORMATTED.

 IEH607I ALLOCATED DEVICES EXHAUSTED

 What does this mean?
 This was happening for 3 times and after submitting the job for 4th time
 the tape got initialized normally.

 Mates, pls explain if you have any idea why this issue occurred and how it
 got rectified.
 Is this was a hardware problem or cartridge issue.



Wild guess: maybe someome degaussed the cartridge ?

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Lodz, Poland





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ec12 Service Element pc

2014-07-31 Thread Sumi, Joseph J. (CMS/CTR) (CTR)
Hello, posting on behalf of a coworker. Any ideas ? Thanks !

I'm trying to use the api on the  ec12 Service Element pc and would like to 
know how to determine if the 'CPC' file is full and how to check file 
attributes 
(version, date, etc. like you can do on a Windows pc by going to 'Computer'). 
Per our IBM CE, The SE pc is at release/version 2.12.0 and  ec12 driver level.

Rgrds, Joseph Sumi

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Re: Beginners question about SHARE

2014-07-31 Thread Shane Ginnane
On Thu, 31 Jul 2014 15:46:20 -0400, Charles Mills wrote:

How many new companies?

Has anyone at SHARE compared our numbers in these regards to IDUG's?

Dunno about IDUG, but on the way home from Boston Share I dropped in to VMWorld 
in Frisco a bit over a week later.
Chalk and cheese.
They had 3 convention centres as well as the meeting rooms of several large 
hotels they were using for accommodation. Managed to pack out the Giants 
stadium for the night out.

Shane ...

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